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Why Raaja is being branded as Folk MD? Was Mohan, Balumahendra, Manirathnam movies are based on folk songs?

Topic started by sangeetha (@ 12.77.12.89) on Sat Mar 10 21:03:18 EST 2001.
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• From: Vijay Venkatram J (@ 203.197.154.119) on: Sun Mar 11 01:20:33 EST 2001
  
  Who branded Him as a folk MD? He is being called "Isaignani" that means "One who knows everything about Music"!
  
  I think that says He is versatile! Some IR bashers may say so! But that is false as we all know!
  
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• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sun Mar 11 08:41:44 EST 2001
  
  Vijay :
  You are absolutely right. No body can brand him as folk MD. He is , no doubt , versatile. But, his strong point is folk. I have several time mentioned this in this forum. His background is village and the life there. He gives you the song with "manvaasanai". This is not wrong. He has used many folk songs in tfm. He beutified them with his music. Infact folk touch is i=his strength.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Sun Mar 11 22:28:21 EST 2001
  
  Vanakkamungo Common Friend :-)
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.78.83) on: Sun Mar 11 23:43:45 EST 2001
  
  its a total change of preception. people dont seems to be using terms precisely. thats all. IR is best rewarded 'all in all' MD. AIA-MD.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Mon Mar 12 00:26:29 EST 2001
  
  no, i see such mentioning in some places esp. by HFM people. they feel or should i say treat him as folk music director. the only MD they consider as not-just-southie-MD is ARR.
  
  it might be due to their ignorance about IR's Mohan, Balumahendra, Manirathnam etc Movies. It might have got changed had MR and IR stuck together for some more films after Dhalapathy. Because, imo, dhalapathy was the film which made HFM people to think about IR as a 'kind-of-great' MD, esp. the rakkamma kaiyya thattu song. I know that many of IR's song had got into HFM thru other channels but it was known only to a small circle(imho). Until Dhalpathy he was know as a southie-folk-songs-MD.
  
  Isaignani and all are know only to TFM people or only to these 'southies' not beyond that.
  
  after the advent of ARR, in HFM, i think(hope) they are listening to some of the goodies of IR too. thanks to anand milind for admiting that they are his(IR's) fan.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 12 10:59:29 EST 2001
  
  Kupps ..I have seen this in the Tamil press as well. Folk = IR, gAnA = Deva, modern = ARR. This is one of those non-sensical simplistic views of the music ignoramuses !! (Yeah, I am angry). If IR is for folk then ARR should be called African MD , after all the beats he uses inspired from Rock/POP came originally from Africa.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Mon Mar 12 11:07:04 EST 2001
  
  Kiru
  Forgive the ignorance of these junk journalist.
  Most of them doesnt know anything abt music.
  I remember when Late Sri Kalki Sadhasivam refused a reporter from interviewing his wife Ms MS Subbalakshmi,saying the reporter didnt know anything about music so the magazine had to send a reporter with good background in muscic say for eg like subbdu in this case.
  Why I am saying this is people just write as they please.
  Mr IR is defentively a versatile composer and a genuine one. Now with advent of synth we dont have many original composers IR is only the last of its Kind,really a great composer no doubt abt it. He has touched every style of composing right from simple folk,jazz,wcm,pop etc so its very bad to compare him with others.
  Thats why I dont give a damn about these so called musical articles most of them are very biased or complete nonsense waste of time!!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 12 12:06:27 EST 2001
  
  UV,
  I somehow think we do not have a system in our country which recognises excellence and encourages it. I am sure you know about H G Khorana, who left India with disgust. IR cannot leave like that because he is not doing a culture-neutral technical work. This is the reason why he (and fans like me) is frustrated at times. Commercial success seems to be the only litmus test. This is not necessarily afflicting the music industry but other career avenues as well. How many people are interested in pursuing a career other than making money or going abroad. We need a cultural check, time to ponder/introspect before continuing the mad rush !!!
  (sorry, if I bored some folks here :) )
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Mar 12 12:15:00 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  "If IR is for folk then ARR should be called African MD , after all the beats he uses inspired from Rock/POP came originally from Africa."
  
  Why are venting your anger on ARR?I can sense your insecurity when someone says something about IR without understanding about him or his works.
  But your insecurity could be a little more mature(considering your previously more mature postings).
  
  Looks like,you also don't agree the press calling ARR's music "modern".I don't know whether his music is modern or not bcos I don't know what does someone mean when they say "modern music".
  
  What is your idea/definition of "modern music" that makes you say ARR's music is not modern?
  
  "after all the beats he uses inspired from Rock/POP came originally from Africa".
  This statement to me is atleast not mathematically correct.B'cos,in other threads form what other people claim he may be inspired form music outside Africa.
  
  All the above,my immature views....
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Mon Mar 12 12:25:24 EST 2001
  
  Trend
  ARR is definitively talented musician.
  I like his music very much.
  What ARR done is nothing modern,it may be a little different from normal tamil musci violin,tabla,dolak etc but people like Peter Gabriel,L Shankar,Frank Zappa,Enigma who actually discovered this NewAge,World fusion Music heavily relying on new Synth based sounds
  much before the entry of ARR.
  So there is nothing modern aboutit.
  Agreed ARR and his father where the first to introduce it to tamil/Indian audience I guess.
  I am also wondering why IR was using against synth.
  Now I think he is forced to use one.
  And its also makes sense when he said on HeyRam BGM that every note is his not some Synth base sampler or sequence.
  Techies here can explain further!!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Mar 12 12:41:04 EST 2001
  
  UV,
  
  I have listened to Peter Gabriel,Enigma and few other New Age World music artists.I have also listened to a lot of pop/rock songs.
  
  To me,ARR's songs sound different from these.So, I don't agree this as the factor which discounts ARR as modern.
  Of course,I'm aware you have a much better musical base than me.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 12 12:43:15 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  Please dont jump to conclusions. I brought ARR to show that calling IR as Folk MD is as ridiculous as calling ARR as African MD. You need to brush up on the history of Rock and other music genres. The beats are totally from Africa originally. (Look at WCM and see how much importance it has to beats).
  Re: synth and IR. I think he must have had an early exposure to it, which kinda skewed his opinion against them because the early synths were really bad. ARR had to rely on synths for his ad business as it is not feasible for him to rent an entire orchestra/studio. Luckily for him the technology really matured and he is reaping the rewards.
  IR mentioned, 'every note' because he wrote the score for Hey Ram in 10 days after seeing the preview. The only place where he came close to talking about synth is when the interviewer ( a movie director) asked him why he needs such a big orchestra while these things can be done in the computer (referring to the chorus effect on synths I think). By this time, IR, trying to control his annoyance, tried to explain how music played by humans is different from cloning the tracks with random delay etc.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Mar 12 12:47:06 EST 2001
  
  kiru,
  after all the beats he uses inspired from Rock/POP came originally from Africa.
  
  Then what about IR who is inspired by the indian folk music, which is there for 100s of years. Come with me and stay in my village. I can show you all the thavil, tharai, thappattai, urumi melam beats that IR has used in numerous film songs. How will you term this ?
  
  I don't understand why IR fans are getting worried when IR is called a folk MD. Its is his strength and it is one of the reasons why he brings in ,sorry... brought, nativity in his songs.
  
  Why do IR fans enjoy a sadistic pleasure by bashing other MDs, especially ARR.?
  Why should we drag other MDs when the topic of the thread solely revolves around IR?
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Mon Mar 12 13:06:38 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend
  You must understand that
  if you call a mathematical genius as a first standard boy wont you get irritated.
  Ofcouse just because a few stupid ignorant people classify him like that they are only telling their point of view.
  I think in future people have to careful as how they say things dont generalize always add the words in my opinion.
  Anway in my opinion most of journalist esp the tamils are hypocrites!!
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Mon Mar 12 13:06:57 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend
  You must understand that
  if you call a mathematical genius as a first standard boy wont you get irritated.
  Ofcouse just because a few stupid ignorant people classify him like that they are only telling their point of view.
  I think in future people have to careful as how they say things dont generalize always add the words in my opinion.
  Anway in my opinion most of journalist esp the tamil journalist are hypocrites!!
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Mon Mar 12 13:07:54 EST 2001
  
  guys a correction few of tamil journalist
  sorry a typo and I am not generalising the entire brand just a few of them!!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Mon Mar 12 23:12:02 EST 2001
  
  aiyyago makkaLae yenna idhu...kiru avargaLae u should have used upper and lower case to give emphasise on what you are talking about in the sentence: If IR is for folk then ARR should be called African MD , after all the beats he uses inspired from Rock/POP came originally from Africa..
  
  Sir, please read this sentence once again like this:
  If IR is for folk then ARR should be called African MD, after all the beats he USES (are)inspired from Rock/POP came originally from Africa.
  
  That is Kiru is saying that the Rock/POP beats came from Africa and not ARR uses African beats. I hope we all agree beat inspiration from Rock/POP is not a thrashing its saying like IR compositions are inspired from WCM and ICM. Kiru's intention is NOT to say ARR lifted from a particular Rock/POP group's song or something like that.
  
  Others dont read the following:
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  Kiru okaya!!! yenna mattu thaniya gavanichirunga i.e yenakku treat kuduthurunga :-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Mon Mar 12 23:24:10 EST 2001
  
  also, common friend
  IR fans are not getting worried when IR is said as folk MD. People are worried when IR is branded as(like) ONLY Folk MD.
  It is equivalent to say that ARR's work is always inspired from say African tunes (here im not bashing ARR). If such a blatant idiotic thing is said then not just ARR fans but also others will(imo, should) feel bad/worried. This is what happening to IR.
  
  Sure, Tamizh folk is IR's forte it is not the only it is ALSO IR's forte.
  
  

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