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Why are Northies Ignorant or Bias towards South Indian Artists?

Topic started by Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on Tue Apr 16 05:42:20 EDT 2002.
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Northies think India means, just people speaking Hindi / Punjabhi, they are very ignorant of south Indian talents, they think Kumar sanu is the best singer in India, without any idea of SPB, KJY like, they chant about RD.Burman ( I agree he was very great), without any idea about IR, MSV, they love ARR though, but many of them are unaware of the fact ARR is a Tamilian, according to them Big Bachan / Dilip Kumar / Dharmender are the all India's greatest actor, what about Sivaji Ganeshan,

what the hell is going on?

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Responses:

• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Tue Apr 16 05:58:29 EDT 2002
  
  u missed this they think Latha is the Greatest singer without knowing abt the Legends like PS,SJ
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 06:06:02 EDT 2002
  
  raj;
  
  oh yes, thanks for that
  
  
• From: venk (@ 208.171.9.162) on: Tue Apr 16 06:43:54 EDT 2002
  
  Who cares? I think south indians should not care what the northies think. The northies are no greater or no inferior to the southies - so who really cares what they think..
  
  Now, if the southies want to compete in the north, then they need to understand what it takes to tick there and compete. Otherwise, the northies' opinions should just remain that -- opinions.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Tue Apr 16 06:59:18 EDT 2002
  
  the Recognition also Goes like this
  
  Still PS,TMS,SJ,IR,MSV,Vaali Are not Recognized @ NAtional Level
  
  as they did Latha,Naushad,RDB,SDB,Kishore,MajroohSultan puri,Anand Bakshi,JAved aktar
  
  I really dont know Y this RAcism??
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 07:19:35 EDT 2002
  
  Raj;
  
  No body knows , Y this Racism, man.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Tue Apr 16 07:54:56 EDT 2002
  
  This is a big question.
  
  In the last 55 years no body other that SPB, Kamal and ARR had to guts to make it a big in north.
  
  
  
  Ofcourse, I don't want to comment about the hip shaking actoress that we export so easily.
  
  But, the fact is how many of us tried. Even rajni was just a bufoon to all city dwellers. Only some corners of Bihar knew him as he resembled Shatruhan sinha.
  
  I will come back tomorrow with more.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.161) on: Tue Apr 16 08:47:33 EDT 2002
  
  When I saw the title of this thread, I knew that it must be Raghu woho would have started it. :)
  
  Raghu, Raghu.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 08:58:09 EDT 2002
  
  cf;
  
  super* resemble Shatruhan sinha?? hmmm, I agree had to guts to make it big in Hindi, but I doubt about SPB & Kamal!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Apr 16 09:03:50 EDT 2002
  
  While I do not reject the premise of your question, ask why the Southies suck up to Northie rejects - Jothika, Riya Sen, Rinky Khanna, Monisha Koirala - as well as thamizh murdering Sadhana Sargam, Suckwinder, Ushit Narayan. I know that Ushit and Suckwinder have not been singing too many thamizh songs of late (there is a GOD and he/she is kind to us), but they are regulars in Telugu film industry.
  
  I don't mind if we import Madhuri Dixit, Naseeruddin Shah, Om Puri, Nana Patekar, Sadashiv Amrapurkar, Aamir Khan, Shahrukh Khan and train/coach them to adapt to thamizh/telugu/malayalam/kannada cultures if/when they participate in "South Indian" ventures.
  
  Common friend: I don't agree with you on Rajnikanth. In fact, it is buffoons like Rajni (using your words) who with their cheap stunts and mannerisms have made South Indian films a joke in the eyes of non-South Indians. I am sorry! You cannot look like a 'naalu naaL kuLikkaadha paradEsippaya' off the camera, act as a 25+ college graduate, kiss paal kudikkira nalla paambu, and walk like a guy with itch in his groin (oh I am sorry! that's supposed to be dance steps), .......and then demand serious attention from people other than lorry drivers, beedi kadaikkaaran, auto rickshawkkaaran, and railway porters.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 09:28:18 EDT 2002
  
  RajaG;
  
  ueh, right, super* does cheap stunts, Oh yes & Amitabh , Hrithik & ape faced Sharuk khan does REAL stunts right, when did after 1990's did super * act as 25+ Graduate?
  
  and like all educated people DO not watch Rajni's films?
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.156) on: Tue Apr 16 09:42:13 EDT 2002
  
  Why are South Indians Ignorant or Bias toward NorthIndianArtists?
  
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 09:58:15 EDT 2002
  
  Sarat;
  
  they are NOT mate, they treat them like GOD.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Apr 16 10:00:21 EDT 2002
  
  >>Why are South Indians Ignorant or Bias toward NorthIndianArtists? <<
  
  I dont think this is true. OTOH I think the opposite is true only w.r.t. film industry.
  
  MSS, BMK, DKP, MLV, SR et al are very popular in north india. In films, kavita, shankar, hariharan are also popular.
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 10:21:06 EDT 2002
  
  AVR;
  
  So according to u, MS.Subhulakshmi, Dr.Bala Murali Krishna, ML. Vasantha Kumari are all popular, well how popular, as popular as Rafi / Kishore, I don't think so.
  
  Shanker Mahdevan, Hariharan Kavitha Krishnamoorthy may be popular in north, but the north audience may not be aware of the origin of these play back singers
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Apr 16 10:27:48 EDT 2002
  
  rajaG,
  
  You dont like beating around the bush ..eh? :-)
  
  Boy was that blunt and direct. I agree though. Although I enjoy the atmosphere for first day rajini show. Its never because of the movie..
  
  Among the 3 movies I watch a year (1 maniratnam, 1 kamal (or) 1 shankar ) Rajini's movie is just because of those cheap thrills.
  
  Like the way I watch MGR movies.. almost bordering on laughing (at them / with them ).
  
  Yes rajini movies does weaken our case. But I think Tamilians have low self-esteem and we are more interested in what others think of us than what we think of ourselves.
  
  I used to support oscar awards for tamil movies (gulp! ) but that was because oscar is a quality target. NOT the national/filmfare/dhadha saheb phalke awards.
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Tue Apr 16 11:44:07 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu
  
  How popular are Bhimsen Joshi/Ravi Shankar/HariPrasad Chaurasia/Shiv Kumar Sharma in South India? Are they more popular than SPB/SJ?
  Does anybody know who they are?
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Tue Apr 16 11:49:03 EDT 2002
  
  and since when have Tamils become the representatives of the South? we are doing the same thing to the South that northies are doing to India.
  Why dont we talk more about MGR/KJY/SPB's origins?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Apr 16 11:55:18 EDT 2002
  
  This is an exchange I had with Suresh in another thread. I thought it could use a bit of "recycling" as this topic is about "bias" and "ethnicity."
  
  (Suresh disagreed with my postulation :-0)
  
  "These are not insinuations, Suresh. They are embedded, in more racial/ethnic ways than are immediately apparent.
  The fair-skinned heroines of the north making their way to the south is an interesting phenomenon. Here is an interesting lateral example about the "white" appeal: Did you know that the bleach filled Fair & Lovely cream has the largest market in South India, particularly tamilnadu, percentagewise? (even among men!)
  Bollywood's fascination for the "south" is always dependant of the bottomline: It has to suit THEIR needs and terms. Not the other way around. I admit the Sridevis, Jaya Pradas, Vyjayanthimalas and Hema Malinis were celebrated by Bollywood (of course, they were never allowed to look "dark" on the screen either.) But it is also a fact that these women who made it there, thought that to be the ultimate big-time and seldom returned to their home/cultural base for tamizh movies after Himmatwala, Nagina, Sangam, Johnny Mera Naam and Sargam. And if one or two from this list did oblige, they did so for unheard sums of money, and after a great number of petitions from their tamil/kannada/telegu mentors.
  All the directors you mention also believe that Bollywood is the place to be. A Satyajit Ray or Mrinal Sen or Basu Bhattacharya or Sai Paranjape, or Kumar Sahani - no less iconic, and no less talented, did not see Bollywood to be the beginning and end of success and creativity. Are they any less respected?
  The point about the Hindi-Tamil Tamil-Hindi remakes is an interesting one. If you are implying that southern films are remade/dubbed into Hindi more than the other way around - wouldn't it also be a good dip-stick to see how many southern faces from the original are retained in their Hindi avataars? Don't you have to a northie a la Anil Kapoor (Beta, Ishwar, Mann etc) or a Jeetendra (Dildaar, Tohfa, Himmatwala, Mera Saathi etc) or...I am sure you get my drift. Now let's work this the other way around:
  Simran (very southern looking) Manisha Koirala (ditto) Aishwarya Rai (ditto) Kajol (ditto) Preity Zinta (ditto)...wouldn't you consider this to be a telling intersection of both racism and sexism (promoted from within, not without - as most of these actresses were chosen by the Kamals, MRs, Rajiv Menons for their home productions.) Yes, this is inevitable in a male-dominated industry you say. I agree. But what's with the racism? Tamizhs are happy with the imports and our exports have to be painted (literally, I have watched this happen to Rekha during the making of Ek Hi Bhool - another remake of a tamizh film (but no Saritha) - where she was sprayed with "rose" foundation cream.)What gives? Are tamizhs ashamed of being dark? Was there a shortage of dark beauties in Southern India that Mr. Thangar Bachan had to go seek out a Nandita Das to be his Azhagi?
  
  While the south may be an impenetrable fortress for the Khans and Roshans - I think that misses the point: How badly do these guys want to be in a Tamizh film? And isn't it always their prerogative to do a tamizh film or not? Can we say the same for the Ajith and Co from the south? (your example above in an earlier post.)
  
  I am talking about inferiority in terms of hypocrisy and acquiesence. Why do tamizhs (audiences and director/MDs etc) not counter this selective, bottomline approach of Bollywood? And more importantly why don't they apply the same rules (or stick by their own cultural/racial/ethnic standards) when the buck comes around?
  
  If it were me I'd choose the parochialism brush any day. If nothing else, it is at least rooted in its cultural pride, however limited/ing it may be.
  
  Why cry erasure of identity when we are only too happy to let it be swallowed up, mangled and whitewashed?
  
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.197.80.42) on: Tue Apr 16 12:26:48 EDT 2002
  
  >>>AVR;
  So according to u, MS.Subhulakshmi, Dr.Bala Murali Krishna, ML. Vasantha Kumari are all popular, well how popular, as popular as Rafi / Kishore, I don't think so.
  <<<
  
  raghuvaran,yes indeed MSS is AS popular and well-known all over India as Rafi or Kishore. However your comparison is skewed for we are talking of classical singers here. MSS,BMK are as well-known/respected as Bhimsen Joshi and Parween Sultana.
  
  I agree however that Northies are blissfully unaware of some lady called P Suseela, some lady called Janaki, some gentleman called TMS or PBS.
  
  
  >>>Shanker Mahdevan, Hariharan Kavitha Krishnamoorthy may be popular in north, but the north audience may not be aware of the origin of these play back singers
  <<<<
  
  Indeed any Northie is aware that these and ARR are "Southies" i.e. their mother tongue is tamil. In case of HH,SM,KK (rather KS) their names reveal their origin/mother tongue.
  Moreover it is not an uncommon sight to see people beginning festival mornings with a shloka/sthotram by MSS.
  
  

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