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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Fri Nov 2 12:01:36 EST 2001
  
  Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241)
  u get angri???
  no no no cool down..
  by the way I like the joke..hi hi hi!!!
  U should know 1 thing.
  chappaathi chappaathi thaan roti roti thaan!!
  tikke!
  
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.144) on: Fri Nov 2 23:51:58 EST 2001
  
  Isai Priyan
  
  Well said
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.131) on: Sat Nov 3 00:00:33 EST 2001
  
  Raguvaran@212.2.14.241:
  
  You speled one word rongly. Instead of "uthavakkattai" you say "uthavakkarai"!!
  
  See what hapend when you go angri!! no no no, cool down.
  
  tikke??
  
  
• From: Shangeetha Pooshanam (@ 64.210.241.103) on: Sun Nov 4 12:34:22 EST 2001
  
  Hello folks
  I was interested by these topics about SPB, but I was rather disturbed by some people called raguvaran (@212), Raguvaran (@64), Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50).
  Raguvaran (@64), Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) are I believe the same person who are posting under different names & IP addresses, why?
  
  Who is SPB?
  
  S.P.Balasubrahmanyam: the name evokes images of the voice beyond compare litting & melodious with a stylistic variation that conjure a visual image from pure sound.
  
  Born in 1946 at konetampet in Andhra pradesh , SPB grew up in a modest environment, SPB liked to sing in social events , but did not under go any kind of musical training, at a light music competition in 1963, SPB’s voice charmed the ears of late Shri Kothandapani who introduced him to the film world as the play back singer in the telugu film “SRI SRI MARIYADA RAMANA”, in 1966, ever since he has never looked back & today he is one of the very rare multilingual singer who has sung in Telugu, Tamil, Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, Tulu, Oriya, Bengali,, till date he has sung well over 40,000 songs in 35 years, that works out to be at least 3 songs per day!, he has also composed music for 35 films in a variety of languages.
  
  Here is a list of SPB’s National awards compared to M.rafi’s awards, please note that M.rafi has never won a national award, Dr.KJY has won 7 national awards till date, who has also crossed 40,000 songs, in his 40 year service.
  
  SPB’s non-national awards are innumberable , that is “best play back singer”, association’s awards, state awards, fan club awards, film fare awards, hence I can only list his national awards.
  
  SPB’s National Awards:
  
  1979 - Sankarabharanam
  1981 - Ek Duje Keliye
  1983 - Sagara Sangamam
  1988 - Rudra Veena
  1995 - Gaana Yogi Panchashari Gavai
  1996 - Minsara Kanavu
  2001 - Padma Shri Award
  
  M.Rafi’s awards (note he has no national awards to date)
  
  Year track
  1960 Chaudhvin Ka Chand
  1961 Chashme Badoor
  1964 Chahunga Mein Tujeh
  1966 Baharon Bharasavo
  1968 Dil Ke Jharoke Mein
  1977 Kya Huva Tera Waada
  
  
  Most of these people seems to misunderstand the term bass & kattais, here is an explanation;
  
  Bass; deep sounding, the lowest pitch in music, lowest male voice.
  
  Kattais ; as there are 1-37 keys in vocal, with keys
  
  1-5 being mudhal kattai (lowest one)
  
  6-10 being rendam kattai
  
  11- 15 being moondram kattai
  
  16-20 being naalank kattai
  
  21- 25 being aiyntham kattai
  
  26-30 being arank kattai
  
  31-35 being elank kattai
  
  36 + being ettank kattai (highest one)
  
  Most of the songs are sung between keys 16 –30, which includes (4th, 5th & 6th kattai), every male singer has bass, even singers like Hariharn, Unni Krishnan have bass, this bass can be achieved at singing in lowest notes (keys 1 – 4) not many singers have done this, certainly not the new good for nothing singers.
  
  SPB, KJY, Ghantasala, Balamurali Krishna & M. Rafi are the only singers who have touched key 1, in order to access the bass of these singers, one must clarify as to which one of these singers has the deepest voice at key 1, this voice should also have the punch in it, this is where SPB stands out of the rest.
  
  M.rafi, Ghantasala, BMK have soft voice, hence they do not sound as deep as SPB. KJY being a carnatic boffin, does not also sound deep as SPB between keys 1-5, this bass has to come deep from the throat, this is very rare & difficult to do so, only SPB is capable of this to date, best bass means a singer can sing very effectively at the highest pitch (key 36+) without screaming or sounding feminine, many male singers who lack bass sounds very feminine at high pitches, typical examples are T.R.Mahalingham, Unni Krishnan, Hariharan , Udit narayan , Sonu nigam , Kumar Sanu, Punkaj udas, …etc.
  
  As SPB having the best bass he easily reaches key 36+, without sounding feminine or as if he is screaming or straining his voice, M.rafi although lacks the bass of SPB was extremely good at higher pitches, which is very difficult to do without a very deep bass, but some how M.rafi superb at highest pitches, simply Superb!.
  
  Typical example of SPB’s key 1 songs are, “thuli thuli nee paadamma sithiyamma”, when he sings “aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh” from key 1, then key6, then key11, then key 16, then key 21, then key 26, then key 31, then key 36+, this is simply superb!.
  
  Another example is the song “sa re ga re gapa tha pa”, from the ever green shankaraparanam, he starts again from key 1, with a very deep voice all the way to key 36+, without any strain at all. Now think about the reverse process of singing in key36+ down to key 1, and SPB does this superb again in the song “ka ma re gama gasa maga sa re saa netha ma pa, sa re sa re (vedham athanilum oru nataham) from “salanghai Oli”.
  
  Now consider singing the entire song in highest notes, that is key 30+,SPB again does this beautifully in “naanum unthan uravai naadi vantha paravai”, from mythili ennai kadhali.
  
  Some people says that TMS was very good at high pitches, I do not agree at all, because he always strained his voice to the maximum limit, any songs sung by TMS always sounded as if he is singing in high pitches, take the song “paatum naane paavamum naanee” from thiruvizhaiyadhal , he sounded as if he was singing from high pitch from the beginning, which is wrong, he sounds the same at high & low pitches, hence you can distinguish whether he is singing in high pitch or not, his carnatic singing & pronunciation is terrible. Although TMS was good at modulation & expressing feelings, but he does not have an amazing voice of SPB.
  
  SPB being a “frog in a well” when it comes to carnatic, is awesome in terms of pronunciation of swarams & singing, even Bala Murali swallows some swarams when he sings it, when you listen to SPB’s shankaraparanam you can clearly understand all swarams, as they are all crystal clear.
  
  KJY , like some one mention is bhajan singer, an excellent carnatic singer, but in cine world, he is so boring, always the same style, you can not tell whether he is singing sad or happy, or joy or excitement. He was hopeless at modulation, expressing emotions. Jayachandran was better than him in romantic songs, but SPB ruled over everyone in Romantic songs, superb expression, beautiful voice.
  
  SPB is not just the greatest singer, but he is an excellent dub artisists, he mainly dubbed for Kamal, Mohan, N.ravi, Nagesh, ..etc. He has also scored music for
  About 35 films so far, with a mesmorizing songs from Sikaram.
  
  I hope I did not offend any body, this thread is being misused badly, so many swearing especially from this raguvaran @212., please guys, I beg you to stop this nonsense & behave bit maturely .
  
  
  
• From: L.T.T.E (@ 208.50.80.71) on: Sun Nov 4 15:49:49 EST 2001
  
  Shangeetha Pooshanam ;
  
  Hats off to you sir!
  
  
• From: Khalid Qadeer, LOndon (@ 212.67.107.110) on: Sun Nov 4 16:41:03 EST 2001
  
  Shangeetha Pooshanam
  
  Extremely well analysed!!!!
  I am impressed!!!
  Respect to u!!!!!
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.141) on: Sun Nov 4 17:09:17 EST 2001
  
  Shangeetha Pooshanam:
  
  chappaathi chappaathi thaan roti roti thaan!!
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Nov 5 04:50:55 EST 2001
  
  Shangeetha Pooshanam:
  
  
  Well explanation.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Mon Nov 5 05:13:16 EST 2001
  
  Wowee Shangeetha Pooshanam! More people like u are needed to bring back some intelligence to this forum.
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Nov 5 05:29:00 EST 2001
  
  WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) ;
  
  well said
  
  
• From: sundar (@ 61.11.73.116) on: Mon Nov 5 06:24:42 EST 2001
  
  sangeetha bhushanam.
  1)factual correction
  rafi has won national awards many times.the one I know is "mein Ghauum tum so jaao" from Brahmachari.
  
  2) TMS had a high pitched voice in General. "paatum NAANE is an excellent rendition and perhaps his masterpiece.
  are you saying his tamil diction was bad?he had the best tamil pronunciation. his swara prastharams towards the end of the song is also superb.
  3)I am also a great fan of SPB ; that does not mean one could sling mud at others.TMS has given some inimitable numbers in classical,folk, light etc.,
  
  4)regarding bass low notes- 'poovil vandu ' in kaadhal Oviyum is a case in point.
  
  highest note -at the end of "kaetten " song.
  
  another song with a wide range- "nalladhor VeeNai " from VaRumaiyin NiRam sigappu"
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Nov 5 06:42:01 EST 2001
  
  sundar (@ 61.11.73.116) ;
  
  I have also visited www.mohdrafi.com, there was no mention of national award, correct me if I am wrong, with TMS pronounciation is excellent, but his swarams are not as clear as SPB's swarams, I agree TMS had a high pitch voice.
  
  'poovil vandu ' has bass low notes agreed, what about the song "Kambhan enku poonan shali enn anal", from jathi mali, it has combination of low bass note & highest note, do not you agree?
  
  highest note -at the end of "kaetten " song in amarkalam agreed, but what about the song "shri thambura naratha" from vijayapradhapan (it is malayalam film dubbed in Tamil, starring Roja), this song is such a typical carnatic song, where SPB sings the swarams for a about 90 seconds without a brake, he then proceeds to the highest pitch, if you have not heard of it, I suggest you do, it is simply superb!
  
  
  another song with a wide range- "nalladhor VeeNai " from VaRumaiyin NiRam sigappu" >> agreed.
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: Raghuvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Nov 5 08:06:59 EST 2001
  
  Sundhar;
  
  What about a beautiful rendering of the song "geetham sangeetham nee thane en kadhal", from kokarako
  
  

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