Topic started by Derek Jeter (@ 68.63.109.5) on Mon Aug 19 12:24:44 EDT 2002.
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Baba's music had mixed reactions from TFM.... Some had mentioned it was good, most of them had said it was a decent one and some of them had told it was too bad... Now that BABA has come and gone, let's focus on his next venture (which is not confirmed yet though)... Who should be the MD for this movie... Though Deva is branded as a copycat, he is best suited to Rajini's movies.. ARR has not had the best results with Rajini and IR has not had a movie with Rajini since Veera... Should Rajini stick with ARR or Deva , or should he go back to IR... Why not try a MD like Bharadhwaj or vidhyasagar.... ??
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- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195)
on: Fri Aug 23 07:49:28 EDT 2002
NagaS ,
Correct yenna kuri vechu kelvi ketkirrungala ....Iam looking from commercial point of view ...Lets compare the cassete sales of AR Rehman and Illayaraj after 1993 ...that will be teh answer ....
Veera was a super hit ..I agree ,then why did rajni go to AR Rehman ..>.?It is purely for commercial purpose .....
- From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195)
on: Fri Aug 23 07:56:38 EDT 2002
NagaS..
Though iam a fan of ILLAS ,iam not yet satisfied with what ILLAS has delivered ...I expect him to deliver music like KAdaluku Mariyadhai ,Kannukul Nilavu ,Avatharam (for village movies) ..But what ILLAS delivers now is not sufficent ...KASI ,AZHAGI ,Enn ManaVaanil songs may fit in the movie ,but as a album iam not satisified ...Kannukul Nilavu became a hit though the movie flopped ..we want such songs
- From: Raheem (@ 212.138.47.12)
on: Fri Aug 23 08:16:18 EDT 2002
IF KSR directs the movie, it will be definitely ARR. But if Rajini thinks of his recent musical hit, it must be IR ( Veera and Ejamaan). If Rajini wants to be a sure-hit movie, it must be DEVA. The only music director who can give the songs to the taste of Rajini fans and who can create a splendid openers for Rajini is DEVA. DEVA is Rajini fan's choice. Rajini learned lot of lessons from ARR. Now, ARR's fame is down and music ability is known to every one. He cannot create big waves. Almost all his latest movies are flop both movie-wise and music-wise. If Rajini selects ARR, definitely he is an idiot. IR is doing music only for selected people and selected stories. He is the opt one, but I don't know whether he will accept an offer from Rajini and KSR who had ego problems with IR. But DEVA is the best choice for Rajini fans. Still his Batcha, Annamalai are the super-hits than any other Rajini movies. DEVA.. DEVA.. DEVA.. Rajini pick this name, your fans will be happy
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Fri Aug 23 08:38:21 EDT 2002
my hope is it should not be ir! apart from his earlier movies, rajini's movies don't have soulful melodies. that includes ir's music also, imho.
anbudan
mahabs
- From: Music_lover (@ 210.214.147.156)
on: Fri Aug 23 08:57:49 EDT 2002
IR should not accept RK's movie, only on principle - indha former bus conductor got some unbelievable melodies from IR and after all that stabs him in the back - thev*diya paiyyan - karumpulli sempulli kutthhi, oora vittu thorattha vendaam ivanaiyellam ?! read the interview of RK SElvamani in Kumudam - Rajini is just a third-class mediocre scoundrel/rogue
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74)
on: Fri Aug 23 09:50:27 EDT 2002
Mumbai Ramki,
IR didn't get a chance to score for RK after Veera, That doesn't mean he can't deliver ... where is the chance that he can prove himself ?
Today morning there was a collection of Rajnikanth Duets in SunTV, Except 'thanga magan indRu singa nadai pottu', everything else were IR songs ... Do you think any of the recent RK films had a decent duet song that can be compared to those IR classics ? (Oru naaLum unai maRavaatha, Iru vizhiyin vaziyee neeyaa vanthu ponathu, Malaik Koyil Vaasalil, Sundari KaNNaal oru Sethi etc.,)
Kaasi and Azhagi were the kind of movies which require special and personalised attention in terms of music and IR delivered that ... I don't see anything wrong there, I feel these are IR's best works in recent times ... I won't say the same for EMV tho'
NagaS
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218)
on: Fri Aug 23 10:27:24 EDT 2002
NagaS:
Is there an equivalent to this song??
"Nilave Mugam Kaattu
Enai Parthu Oli Veesu"
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74)
on: Fri Aug 23 11:22:21 EDT 2002
FliFlo,
WOW ! Thanks for the reminder man ... its a wonderful song !
NagaS
- From: Nijam (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Fri Aug 23 20:54:32 EDT 2002
People who imagine that RK will go back to IR is in a dream world. Wake up, wake up.
Nobody in the right sense will ever sign on IR. He has gone case and is now at the bottom of prefered list of MDs.
It is a pity that our people can never reire gracefully.
- From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.235)
on: Sat Aug 24 01:31:41 EDT 2002
Even RK ask our Maestro IR to do music but IR won't do so.That is how raja do for Baba.When got problem only come to Raja.I will feel proud if IR won't do music for RK.RK movie is just like cartoon lah.IR standard is very high.Because of raja there is a lot of actor and actress are known as stars.If no IR TFM will be bored.Okey????Even RK beg to raja to do music,raja only will see the story then will accept it.
- From: Derek Jeter (@ 68.63.109.5)
on: Sat Aug 24 11:00:08 EDT 2002
there seems to be a lot of RK-IR clash going in this thread rather than the discussion of who would be the right MD... I see a lot of IR fans getting offended because of Rajini sticking to ARR and deva... and few of them even going to the extent of few karpanai stories... The question is if RK goes back to IR will he be able to give a hit? dont go back to 80's and 90's... in the current TFM scenario, will IR give a hit with RK? I don't think ARR - RK combination is good.... It looks like a commercial team and to be frank muthu, padayppa and baba were not that good... annamalai, basha and arunachalam fitted rajini's movies perfectly... I'm not a fan of deva.. but I feel that he does the right stuff for RK... cut out this crap of RK falling at IR's feet and IR falling at RK's feet... and talk something realistic....
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.225)
on: Mon Aug 26 01:06:00 EDT 2002
Let IR not score music for RK and also better let RK not ask IR for music. RK can go for ARR again. Baba is a good lesson for ARR. If not ARR, better RK can go for Vidyasagar or Deva.
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.225)
on: Mon Aug 26 01:12:40 EDT 2002
Naga,
Your point is partially correct. Golden age of RK and IR in TFM is almost the same. So obviously the no1 MD could have scored more for the no1 actor. It is something like saying MSV had scored splendid songs for Sivaji wherein IR had done only six or seven movies. We can't compare like this. I am worried when you too got in to the typical TFM page comparison mania.
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.201.74)
on: Mon Aug 26 02:11:33 EDT 2002
G. R,
I entered the discussion ONLY after somebody said IR can't compose for a Rajni movie now ..
otherwise, I never compared any MD with IR - read my postings again !
NagaS
- From: a (@ 156.153.254.42)
on: Mon Aug 26 02:14:25 EDT 2002
Nijam
u have to wake up or come out of dark well.
ok
- From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138)
on: Mon Aug 26 09:45:53 EDT 2002
IR won't do it coz he has already created the trademark image for Rajini and Kamal musically. Unless a situation like Hey Ram arises or IR is genuinely interested in the project, then he might do it.
Remember the conversation Rajini had with Ilayaraaja when he called up to request him to be the composer for Baba. This is what IR told Rajini in a nice and joking way. IR nicely turned down Rajini and both were talking like brothers. There wasn't such a thing as hurting each others' feelings coz they were just too close.
Also, who can forget the day when we lost our great Sivaji Ganesan! It was such a sad day. But among the superbly terrible humongous crowd, when I saw IR, Rajini and Kamal(& abt another 2 or 3 others) accompanying SG's hearse sitting on top of it, I had goosebumps. To get such a feeling from seeing their closeness besides being three of the most respect personalities coming together was something to remember.
Rest assured, these 3 are inseparable no matter what some people say. They came a long way. And the best part is that they did it together.
:)
- From: rediff (@ 202.9.167.94)
on: Mon Aug 26 09:56:31 EDT 2002
The Baba phenomenon
Could the hype around Tamil superstar Rajnikanth's film prove its undoing?
N Sathiya Moorthy in Chennai
Tamil superstar Rajnikanth's Baba was expected make a lot of money for its distributors and cinema halls, which in turn could be invested in other films by other actors, thus reversing the current negative growth of Tamil cinema.
But the lukewarm response Baba has received has possibly taken with it the investments and earnings of the exhibitor and the distributor.
The overseas rights of Baba were sold for a whopping Rs 60 million (approximately $1.2 million). However, initial reports do not seem very encouraging, and the fear is that the film may not make one-third its investment.
According to trade estimates, Rajnikanth would have made up to Rs 500 million (approximately $10 million) on Baba against an investment of Rs 50 million (approximately $1 million), excluding the actor's payment. Others claim the expenses could have been as low as Rs 20 million (approximately $400,000), and the earnings as high as Rs 1 billion (approximately $ 20 million). The truth is estimated at somewhere in-between.
Now, insiders say the film may not gross Rs 200 million (approximately $4 million) invested by distributors in Tamil Nadu, even if it recovers its initial shocks. They put the distributors' loss at about Rs 100 million (approximately $ 2 million). Reports also speak of the disappointing audio sales.
This in spite of its music scored by A R Rahman; the audio rights were sold at Rs 30 million (approximately $600,000).
Going by early reports, industry sources say Baba is a washout in the other three southern states --- Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh --- too. Though it is too early to predict whether Baba would follow the footsteps of his earlier Pandiyan, which bombed a few years ago, it is not expected to repeat the success stories of his last two movies, Badsha and Padayappa, whose box-office records Baba was expected to break.
Baba has not met the expectations of the thousands of Rajnikanth fans or the ordinary filmgoer, thanks to its jaded storyline and a faded Rajnikanth. Unfortunate, when you consider that Baba was launched amidst much hype --- Rajnikanth had decided to appear before the camera after three years (his last film was Padayappa).
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For the first time in Tamil cinema, advertisers sought to promote Baba as part of their campaigns. They entered into a contract with Rajnikanth's representatives, who legally barred others from using the logo, pictures and promotional material of the film to promote their products. In fact, even the tea and coffee served on the sets of Baba were sponsored, for which there was also a 'sponsorship fee' of sorts!
Rumours are now on that Rajnikanth is said to be considering plans to launch his next movie already. There could be two options here: a mega-budget movie directed by Shankar, the man with the Midas touch in Tamil cinema. Though Shankar's Nayak, a Hindi remake of his megahit Mudhalvan did not fare well, he continues have the vision to plan big and convey a social theme through a purely commercial milieu.
In fact, Shankar was earlier being considered for directing Rajnikanth's Baba. It was finally directed by Suresh Krissna, who had given such big hits as Badsha and Padayappa.
The other option is for Rajnikanth to resurrect his earlier directors who had given box-office hits like Guru Sishyan with no political overtones or undertones.
An industry insider says, "People have begun identifying Rajnikanth with socio-political punchlines, if not political themes and dialogues. A Rajnikanth movie bereft of a political message may not be well received. If people are looking for pure entertainment, they can turn to the newcomers and need not have to be satisfied with an aging Rajnikanth in comparison."
Whatever the case may be, early commercial reports of Baba have not helped revive the hopes of the losing Tamil industry. "Rajni should have stuck to acting, without seeking to write the script and screenplay [of Baba]," asserts another industry source. "Given his image, no one had the courage to tell him what was wrong with both. No one really thought of the ordinary filmgoer or the Rajnikanth fan. Unfortunately, it is not just Rajnikanth who stands to suffer. The impact will be on Tamil cinema, and it is already in a bad situation."
- From: Chanda (@ 61.11.81.111)
on: Mon Aug 26 10:34:54 EDT 2002
ARR is always great. Though many reviews are coming no one can say BABA music is bad.
If any body fells like that I am sure he don't know to listen to the music.
BABA songs are really very good. even I could say that for past 15 yrs Rajini would have never had such a good music.
I observed many of them who are saying that BABA's music is bad had never heared the songs even once. Many don't know how many songs in the film they are ready to comment here.
Listen to the songs once or twice provided he should know to listen to the music the its sure U will like all the songs exspec: sakthi kodu is simply superb.
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