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KAVIYARASU KANNADASAN

Topic started by On behalf of Sankar (@ 210.186.51.129) on Mon Dec 30 07:11:34 EST 2002.
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Kaaviyathayin Illaya magan
Kadhal Pengalin Perun thalaivan
Paamara jaadiyil thani manidan – naan
Padaippadhanal yen per Iraivan

Naan Manida jaadiyai aati vaipen – avar
Maandu vital adhai paadi vaipen
NAAN NIRANDARAM AANAVAN AZHIVADILAI
ENDA NILAYILUM ENAKKU MARANAM ILLAI

These are the great lines of Kaviyarasu Kannadasan in the movie Ratha Thilakam where he acts in the movie singing these lines. ( Song.. Oru Koopayilae yen kudiyiruppu)

What a visionary he was ? Indeed, he is NIRANDARAMAANAVAN.

I share some of my observations about Kavingyar. I want all the fans of HIM to join this discussion and add more quality material in praise of his great works.
This is the only way we pay tributes to this GENIUS.
WILL WE EVER GET BACK A KAVINGYAR LIKE KANNADASAN ??

Read the complete opening post here.

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• From: Dobri (@ 195.39.134.84) on: Sun Apr 13 14:27:06 EDT 2003
  
  munnodi vanthathamma means 'came before'.
  So kavinjar is right.
  
  Little more analysis on 'Thangathile' song.
  Jwelleries are not mentioned in the song.
  It says if there is a dirt or dent (kurai) in gold, its value doesnt depreciate. Am i right ?
  
  Another look on Adhisaya raagam song. Its a varnanai song. Starting with the adjectives and makes the listener wonder what raga is that. But the answer doesnt come in the first stanza. Nor in the first stanza but the lovely 'sol viLaiyaattu' keeps one engrossed even when the object of description is not revealed. the anxiety grows. The second stanza too doesnt reveal, but this time the varnanai shifta focus on to a woman and in the last line of the stanza the object is revealed. Bhairavi ! So its the woman called Bhairavi ? Yes, thats the situation in the movie. A wonderfully penned song !
  
  
• From: Dobri (@ 195.39.134.84) on: Sun Apr 13 14:29:57 EDT 2003
  
  Sorry, read it as ' But the answer / the object of varnanai doesnt come in the palavi. Nor in the first stanza...
  
  Take this opportunity to wish you all 'Puthaandu VaazhthukkaL'
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Apr 14 01:05:25 EDT 2003
  
  But Dobri
  
  In the first Stanza there is
  
  "Isayenum amuthinil AVAL oru bagam"
  
  The II stanza
  
  Pinna koonthal karun nira nagam
  pemmayin ilakkanam Avalathu dhegam
  devargal valrthidum Kaviya yagam-Antha
  devathai kidaithal athu en yogam
  
  talks about woman right?
  
  Even in the movie Srividya asks Kamal who the girl of his heart is.So there is nothing other than woman ,is the subject matter of the song.
  
  Kanndasan surprises in you in
  
  MuthuklaLo Kangal ..you expect the next line another uvamai like "Manganiyo Kannam" or "Vairangal Pol Ithazh" -instead he come sout with "thithipatho kannam"-something that should not precede "Sandhitha Velai"
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 210.186.2.36) on: Mon Apr 14 04:51:14 EDT 2003
  
  Puvanes, "Thangathilae oru kuraiirunthaal" song was debated extensively more than 4 decades ago when it was released. If I am not mistaken the issue was treated as closed.
  
  For your info, it was others who did the post-mortem on the song, not kaviarasar himself.
  
  Remember the recent song "Oonam ethu oonam ethu.." sung by music director Deva where he quotes Kannadhasan's philosophy apparently referring to the "thanggathilae oru..." song? Therefore, with the song becoming an authority itself to pacify the handicapped what else more could we say?.
  
  I will get back to you soon on "Kalangaathiru manamae" song info.
  
  Dobri, I am amazed as to your indepth literature knowledge on kaviarasar's songs and also the explanation. This thread needs more and more of the likes of folks like you to make it even more interesting. Perhaps, we are the only ones doing 'patti mandrams' on kaviarasar's songs in the English language and in the electronic media!
  
  Aha, I never guessed more info will be forthcoming on "athisaya raagam". The additional info was even more news to me. Looks like we can operate a separate thread for 'Aboorva Raagangal' alone!!
  
  A minor digression...
  
  Kaviarasar wanted to squeeze in as many times as possible of his favourite deity Lord Krishna's name in one single song. That wish came true through 'Deiva Magan' (1969) in the song "Kettathum koduppavanae Krishna Krishna". All in all 'Krishna' was mentioned 69 times in this song! A record indeed.
  
  In 'Veera Abhimanyu' (1965) kaviarasar wrote the song "Kanna Manna vaa vaa vaa Kathal Manna vaa vaa.." for Gemini Ganesh who acted as Lord Krishna. Gemini Ganesh was popularly known as 'kaathal mannan' hence this song by kaviarasar.
  
  Prior to this he had written for Gemini Ganesh in the song "Oho enthan baby" ('Thean Nilavu' 1961_) where the line by the heroine includes the words "kaathal mannan"in reference to the hero. Incidentally, 'baby' in the film circle refers to Vyjayanthimala, the heroine of 'Thean Nilavu'.
  
  Gemini Ganesh began to be fondly called 'kaathal mannan' after this song.
  
  And that reminds me of yet another duo whom kaviarasar refers in his song "Vaalaithandu pol udambu alek.....Kothavarangai pole irruke alek"
  ('Panama Paasama' 1968). It was in reference to Vijaya Nirmala's and Nagesh's respective physiques!
  
  See you again folks and hope all of you are enjoying the New Year with kaviarasar's song "Aandondru Ponaal Vayathondru Pogum Atharkku Munnalae Vaa Vaa Vaa"('Policekaaran Magal' 1961)!!
  
  
• From: R.Mahendra Raj (@ 210.186.2.36) on: Mon Apr 14 05:00:28 EDT 2003
  
  OISG, that reminds me of the song "Annan kaatiya vaazhiyamma" ('Padithaal Mattum Pothuma' 1962)
  
  I remember local poets praising kaviarasar for his choice of word in the line "thottal suduvathu NERUPPAAGUM thodaamal suduvathu......SIRIPPAAGUM." It was unprecedented for kaviarasar to use 'sirippaagum' as the expectation was "VERUPPAAGUM" for rhyming purposes. He set a new trend in the prose writing.
  
  However, as history will tell, he was referring to Annadurai in this who was known for his signature smile.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.12) on: Mon Apr 14 06:26:01 EDT 2003
  
  Mahendra Raj:
  
  Regarding the paNamA pAsamA 'vAzhaiththaNdu pOla udambu' song, was it kavinjar who invented the word 'alEk'? Or, was it in use those days as a slank to denote something? kavinjar seems to have used 'alEk' in another song: 'endhan kaNNai undhan kaNNu Ottudhu' (pAr magaLE pAR?) which is an interesting comedy love song written around the parts of a car..
  
  ninnu pOna manasa indha poNNu paarkkum paarvai vandhu moLLa moLLa jockey pOttu thookkudhu
  nenjil puncture paaththu tire-ai maaththi Ottudhu, kaadhal paadhai meedhu speedu romba kAttudhu
  
  etc.
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.192) on: Tue Apr 15 00:02:11 EDT 2003
  
  Hi! folks, I have been just informed that the Kannadhasan function which was supposed to be held on May 21, 2003, Bukit Jalil, Puchong has now been postponed to July, 2003. I understand the change was made with the view to avoid clashing with the 'Bharathidasan Vizha' which will be held on May 25, 2003.
  
  However, the regular 'Tribute to Kannadhasan' function will be held on June 24, 2003 at the Chettiar Hall, Jalan Ipoh, K.L. in conjunction with kaviarasar's 76th birthday anniversary.
  
  Local folks please take note of the above.
  
  Talking about anniversaries I remembered something.
  
  At the unveiling ceremony of Kalaivanar NSK's statue kaviarasar remarked in his tribute that usually one remembers the face of a personality as he or she was during the last days of his/her of being alive. Kalaivanar was lucky in the sense that he died young and and people will remember him thus. He quoted personalities like Mahatma Gandhi, Rabindranatha Tagore etc. who are remembered through their old-age potraits.
  
  This point must have worked in MGR's mind who was also in attendance at this function.
  
  This could also be the reason as to why MGR was overzealous in his personal grooming even up to his last day on this earth alive.
  
  Luckily or unluckily for us, kaviarasar's fans. We still get to see the cheruby face of kaviarasar at the age of 54!
  
  See you all again folks!
  
  
• From: R.Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.192) on: Tue Apr 15 00:13:53 EDT 2003
  
  sk,these poets have the habit of coining unintelligible words for punch's sake. Even kaviarasar was asked to comment on an oldie "Jaalilo Jimkhaana' in the early fifties. He regretted that with all those beautiful chaste Tamil songs around written by him his children were singing or humming this song which had had no direct meaning at all.
  
  When Panju Arunachalam used the words "uyyalaala" for the song "Paandiyanin raajayathil" ('Paandiyan' 1993) it started a debate in one of the periodicals as to its meanings.
  
  Therefore the 'alek' used by kaviarasar must have been spontaneous or in reference to the lifting of weights in bazaar Tamil which was apt for this song situation.
  
  I can't remember the 'Paar Magaley Paar' song nor its background.
  
  Bye for now.
  
  
• From: Vaathiyaar (@ 203.106.70.54) on: Tue Apr 15 01:44:29 EDT 2003
  
  >>>> However, the regular 'Tribute to Kannadhasan' function will be held on June 24, 2003 at the Chettiar Hall, Jalan Ipoh, K.L. in conjunction with kaviarasar's 76th birthday anniversary.
  
  Who will be speaking and how do we get ourselves invited? Will there be entrance fees? TIA.
  
  
• From: puvanes (@ 161.142.100.87) on: Tue Apr 15 02:27:48 EDT 2003
  
  anyone can explain the whole 'entha oor endravane song' penned by kaviyarasu?
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.192) on: Tue Apr 15 02:30:31 EDT 2003
  
  Vaathiyar, the speakers will be announced by the organisers later. Admission is free as in the past. Watch out for the announcements in the Tamil dailies as well as Radio 6.
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.192) on: Tue Apr 15 03:59:12 EDT 2003
  
  Puvanes, the uniqueness in this song is that it ends up with 'oor' all the way. The song was an indirect reply to a question posed to the hero who is in a depressed state of mind as to which 'oor' he is from. He is stating all the availabe 'oors' except the town proper!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 203.199.209.101) on: Tue Apr 15 05:16:31 EDT 2003
  
  a digression, back to karuppu paNam.
  
  Kaviyarasar KaNNadhaasan(KKD) has written the socialist theme song "aellaarum aellaamum paeravaendum ingu illaamai illaadha nilai vaeNdum" and even including the word PODHUVUDAMAI. Did kaviarasar try to use his pal PattukkOtai to pen that song(was pattukkOttai alive then) or did kaviyarasar wanted to write a podhuvudamai song which would become as popular as pattukkOttai's.
  
  btw, is it correct that KKD has very few "podhuvudamai" songs to his credit?
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.47) on: Tue Apr 15 22:22:08 EDT 2003
  
  Kupps, as mentioned in my earlier posting this song was based on 'pothuvudumai'(socialist) which was why it was banned by the Malaysian authorities from public broadcasting. Most of the Commonwealth countries usually do not favour materials which are either communist or socialist.
  
  Pattukottai died in 1959 whereas 'Karuppu Panam' was produced in 1964 and, therefore, it answers your second question.
  
  Yes, kaviarasar only penned a very few songs on socialist themes. As people's interest were slowly waning in such topics kaviarasar concentrated on love-based and philosophical themes alone.
  
  F.I.Y. the song "Koduthethallam Koduthaan" ('Padahotti' 1964) by Vaali was also a socialist based theme which became more popular than "Ellarum Ellamum Peravendum" although it was released earlier. Probably it was due to MGR's acting and TMS' voice instead of Kannadhasan and Sirghazhi Govindarajan!
  
  Almost a decade later another Vaali's socialist themed song "Ingu nalla irukkanum ellorum" in the MGR-starrer 'Oru Thai Makkal' 1972) did not become popular although it was fast-paced with MSV's music. People's interest had almost totally shifted by then. Incidentally, this song remains banned by the Malaysian broadcasting authorities.
  
  Btw, Vaali mentioned that his song "Koduthatellam koduthan" was originally supposed to be included in the film 'Paathai Theriyuthu Paar'(1960) - another socialist film but was rejected.
  
  See you again folks with some interesting tidbits on kaviarasar!.
  
  

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