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why people hate illaiyaraaja-an example

Topic started by kumar (@ 61.11.74.10) on Fri Sep 28 09:10:07 EDT 2001.
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read a.v.ramanan's interview.he tells how illaiyaraja curtly silenced him.very pathetic to read.

http://thirai.ambalam.com/

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• From: Dorai (@ 12.144.36.2) on: Fri Sep 28 11:41:14 EDT 2001
  
  Kumar,
  Could you post the contents of this article directly here.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.51) on: Fri Sep 28 12:02:37 EDT 2001
  
  I dont whats in that article,but some of the best
  songs difficult songs of IR are all sung by Uma Ramanan his wife
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.51) on: Fri Sep 28 12:07:41 EDT 2001
  
  Moreover its has become common to blame IR for everything now that they know he is pallu illatha pambu and his status reduced to another ordinary musician.
  The sad truth is that IR himself seems to be lost interested and has not been able to take his decline that well. The grand arrival of ARR have seems to haved nailed the coffin for IR creativity!! :(
  
  
• From: Trend with Friday afternoon syndrome (@ 216.68.113.244) on: Fri Sep 28 14:35:36 EDT 2001
  
  I think IR is of the opinion(whether true or not) his fans'(or tamil music fans in general) are not living up to his music.His opinion is their taste level has deteriorated,IMO.
  
  BTW,has anybody read the article?What does it say?
  
  Astrology prediction for this thread in the immediate future: Bash A.V. Ramanan?!!!:-)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Sep 28 15:01:05 EDT 2001
  
  i dont think anyone can read the article... so w/o seeing the poop we should assume AVR has bashed IR.
  
  the omnious "curtly silenced him" .. does it mean AVR was killed by the mafia of IR :-) just kiddin...
  
  well.. if its AVR's personal experience and he cud not say anything b4 because of "ellam pozhapukaaga sahichika vendiyathu thaan " psycology...
  
  well what can anyone say.... a lot of people with great acheivements in their resume have suspect temperment. so IR cud be one... what the heck... as long as the music is good who cares...
  
  oliver stone to bharathi raaja have a foul temper that doesnt make any one less succesful. there is always a price one has to pay....
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 131.193.208.242) on: Fri Sep 28 15:47:31 EDT 2001
  
  Well, I just read the contents of the interview. Here's the relevant portion from it :
  
  Ramanan says
  "en manaivi uma ramanan IR-in isaiyil mattum 80 paadalgal paadi irukiraar. ananda raagam, aha vennilave pondra pala hit paadalgalum idil adakam. Andha soozhnilayil, kanavan-mainaivi (raja-jikki) madhiri serndhu paadugira madhiri engaluku oru paadal thara koodadha? endru IR-idam keten.
  
  "Ungal manaiviku koduthirukum vaipugale jaasthi. Ellorum (paadagigal) poraamai padum alavuku thandurikiren. neenga idhu madhiri enkita ketkaadheenga", endru avar sonnar. Enaku vaaipu thara varuku manadu illai.
  
  He also goes on to comment that opportunities for singing will have to be given to all talented people, but no one does it that way, indirectly taking a hit at IR doesnt do it that way.
  
  
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Sep 28 15:56:56 EDT 2001
  
  can u post the link please ?
  
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Fri Sep 28 16:23:31 EDT 2001
  
  http://thirai.ambalam.com/int-music/2001/September/int-music28_03.html
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Sep 28 16:41:02 EDT 2001
  
  While I do not wish to comment on the alleged reluctance of IR to give AVR a chance (after all it is his prerogative), it is unfortunate that AVR did not get the due recognition in terms of opportunities from TFM MDs. Udit, Suckwinder, Sadhana Sargam, Ila Arun, ivaaLukkellaam kodukkaradhukku, AVR oru kuraichchalum illai.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Fri Sep 28 16:46:06 EDT 2001
  
  Both AVR and IR have got some points..while Uma Ramanan definitely got more opportunities than she deserved :-) for her voice/singing abilities, IR making Bhavathaarini and himself sing many songs is unacceptable if he is so strict about the standards..maybe thats what AVR meant when he said talent is not being recognized these days :-)
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.232) on: Fri Sep 28 16:54:40 EDT 2001
  
  IR is entitled to his opinion.I don't think anyone is entitled to criticize his choice of singers or try to analyze why IR can give a song to Ila Arun but not A.V.Ramanan.(Just kidding)
  
  Looks like,"Sapthaswarangal" viewership is going to reduce considerably. :-(
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Sep 28 17:18:47 EDT 2001
  
  trend I dont think so.
  this is freedom of speech!...
  like IR, A.V.Ramanan is also entitled to his opinion!. Imho:simply IR could have done it , We all know AVR is a very good singer. for some reason he did not , AVR is telling his side clearly.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 192.76.70.253) on: Fri Sep 28 17:29:57 EDT 2001
  
  Srikanth Agree with you. May be IR did not like the AR in AVR :-). You know it is pretty close to ARR.
  
  JK
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: pathan (@ 204.114.52.61) on: Fri Sep 28 17:35:02 EDT 2001
  
  These sort of hurdles come in life for everyone in any profession. It is the affected individuals responsibility to fight these hurdles and come up.
  
  Singers like KJY SPB Janaki and so on (Though possessed great talents) were not getting lot's of opportunity in the period of TMS-susheela. Did they all stopped singing or trying?
  
  Almost in every successful person's past there were some incidents like this and they came over without losing their heart.
  
  History repeatedly proves us that keep trying till u reach and have faith and there will be your day. A person cannot stop @ one incident. And IR is not the only musician out there in india.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Fri Sep 28 17:37:07 EDT 2001
  
  srikanth,
  
  "freedom of speech"
  Alright but AVR making philosophical statements like "kaatru yaarukku sontham,isai yaarukku sontham....."(assuming you read the whole interview) makes me think he is trying to conclude that: IR thinks of himself as if he owns the music world.And that the fact he didn't give me a chance means that he purposely didn't encourage my talent.
  
  I think this is a unhealthy attitude restricing IR's freedom of choice.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Fri Sep 28 17:38:24 EDT 2001
  
  Pthan might have a point..AVR says after the first question that he approached several MDs(RDB, SDB, Laxmikanth etc..) and they all didnt consider him..so maybe there was something in him that put them off..does anyone here have a link to any songs that he sung so far? like the one in Manmatha leelai?
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Fri Sep 28 17:38:43 EDT 2001
  
  Correction:
  I think this is a unhealthy attitude criticizing IR's freedom of choice.
  
  
• From: pathan (@ 204.114.52.61) on: Fri Sep 28 17:50:29 EDT 2001
  
  Even if AVR has sung manmatha leelai song well, sometimes it happens that u don't immediately get hooked by many MD's.
  
  For an example, Janaki sang "singara velanae dheva" in the movie konjum salangai. Atleast to my taste and knowledge it was a great rendering. But still, did she get poured with invitations from different MD's at that period. I don't think so. So whatever happened to AVR is quite common and it is every individuals responsibility to try and prove himself to the world rather than world comes and look at him of every action and recognise him.
  
  
• From: pathan (@ 204.114.52.61) on: Fri Sep 28 17:53:48 EDT 2001
  
  Edhir alai vargindradhae ena karayil odhungum odangal odhungi nindru, alayai edhirthu odum odangalai paarthu nindru kondirukkum - engo kaetta kannadhasan varigal.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Sep 28 18:21:45 EDT 2001
  
  1)IR says "80 songs itself is too much for your wife"
  - does he mean she undeservedly got to sing 80 songs... which in turn means 2 things
  
  a) No alternate talent available
  b) IR made an "vocal miscasting" but choosing Uma
  
  decide for urself if a) or b) is correct
  
  2)IR says " other female play back singers are infact jelous of your wife"
  
  which can be interpreted in 2 ways
  
  way 1:
  
  a) non-musical factors like "jelousy envy gossip " etc influences IR's musical decisions
  
  b) IR bases (some of )his decision making consideration based on local gossip
  
  c) He is taking "jelousy of other singers" as a feed back for his casting of Uma as a genuine and meaningful feedbak
  
  way 2:
  
  a) AVramanan could also be considered as a jelous deprived play back singer starved of chances. so why did IR say similar stuff to ...lets say mano... or some one else and replace him with AVR.
  
  so why does IR takes the view of some of the jelous play back singers and not AVR's...
  
  all the above in the assumption that AVR was honest about his narration of events...
  
  all said ... I still belive that IR has his right to choose the singers... and even if according to AVR's "x" sastra if IR's choice was dictated by fair review of talent there wud still be 5-10 people complaining about bias.. etc...
  
  and also to excercise my freedom of speech and to be rather very blunt and to the point...
  
  I should say AVR in my opinion from saptha swarangal comes across as an arrogant person. he derides and mocks some of the contestants and I have seeing him making some really unwarranted comments just to express his opinion. I dont see the program because of AVR. Plus I sincerely think he is a "jollu" case. all in IMHO
  there are a million talented people in India deprived of chances....
  
  and to do a volte face again...
  
  I agree with rajaG's view that instead of sukhwinder, udit and sometimes IR's own voice AVR was a good choice his non-selection is baffling..
  
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Fri Sep 28 18:44:25 EDT 2001
  
  for whom else did AVR sing? how many songs has he sung in films? was only IR the MD then?
  
  i can of course understand how bad he should be feeling for not having sung some memorable duets with his wife...i really feel sorry for him...but maybe he cld have done something abt it...
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Fri Sep 28 18:50:33 EDT 2001
  
  one more thing: ir is a very sentimental person (like everyone else in the movie industry). i personally know how he used to avoid a particular singer - that singer used to pester ir for a chance for many many months, ir avaided that singer because of obvious lack of talent. finally that singer won and sang for ir. shrinivas mentioned in his interview (in subhashree thanigachalam's webpage - what was its name?) that ir immediately agreed to give him a chance when he asked for one but on the day of recording shrinivas had cold and that was bad omen in ir's view and shrinivas didn't get a chance to sing for ir (for a long time - i am not sure if he ever sang for ir). i dont know why ir declined to give avr a chance, but strange are the ways of the world.
  
  digression: does anyone have avr-umaramaNan's rendering of bharathiyAr's "thonRu nigaazhdhadha naiththum uNarndhidum". it was one of greatest rendering of bhArathiyAr's songs, ever. it was telecast in the doordharshan in the late 70-sor early 80-s. any recordings available?
  
  
• From: q (@ 12.78.179.163) on: Fri Sep 28 19:05:48 EDT 2001
  
  I agree IR is IR and I admire his intelligence.....But there was a time
  his harrassed the directors and other people.
  He may deserve the praise of being intelligent
  but he must come down to earth and feel that
  everything is god's gift. He might have composed
  symphonies and reverberating songs....I appreciate ARR for killing IR's egoistic attitude. ARR might have given very little songs but he pumped the quality in that....IR is great but ARR is a good human
  
  

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