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Illayaraja and kiravani

Topic started by sv (@ 202.54.153.21) on Wed Dec 31 06:59:18 EST 2003.
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Hi,
I think Illayaraja used mostly kiravani raga in his film songs to name a few

1)kiravani
2)thalattum (gopura vasallile)
3)poovoma urgolam

pl add on further, if any one knows

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Responses:

• From: Rasika (@ 195.229.241.164) on: Wed Dec 31 08:26:16 EST 2003
  
  sv,
  Though the above statement isn't exactly true, IR has handled Keeravani better than most MDs and has quite a few compositions in the raga. One can say that it's one of his favorite ragas, going by the number of songs.
  
  Also, Thaalattum PoongAtru you mentioned is not KeeravANi. It's in fact set to Simhendra Madhyamam (the difference is Ma2 instead of Ma1)
  
  Here are a dozen Keeravani numbers of IR that come to my mind:
  1. KAtril Endhan geetham (Johny)
  2. EnnuLLe ennuLLe (VaLLi)
  3. MalargaLiley ArAdhanai (Karumbu Vil)
  4. Thanga Changili (Thooral Ninnu POchu)
  5. BoopALam isaikkum (same film)
  6. PAdi paRandha kiLi (Kizhakku vAsal)
  7. Unnai nAnaRiven (GuNa)
  8. NenjukkuLLe InnAr endru (PonnumaNi)
  9. Onna nenachen pAttu padichen (Apoorva SahodarargaL)
  10. Chinna Chinna vaNNa kuyil (Mouna Ragam)
  11. MalayOram Veesum kAthu (Mohan, Nadiya film)
  and the latest
  12. SiRu siRu ChiRagugaLil En manam (Konji pesalam)
  
  
• From: vs (@ 202.54.153.21) on: Thu Jan 1 00:46:37 EST 2004
  
  hi rasika,
  thnx for the comprehensive list and correcting me. IR has also added some enchanting numbers in sindhu bhairavi
  
  1)naan oru sindhu (sindhu bhairavi)
  2)oru nallum (ejamaan)
  3)nilave mugam kattu(ejamaan)
  4)nillavu parthu (kannukkul nilavu)
  5)keladi kanmani (pudhu pudhu arthangal)
  
  
  any other famous numbers, please add on
  
  
• From: vs (@ 202.54.153.21) on: Thu Jan 1 00:52:30 EST 2004
  
  to add on
  poongatru (moondram pirai)
  envazhivila(thambikku entha ooru)
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Sat Jan 3 05:36:09 EST 2004
  
  I wish to add 2 of my favorite melodious songs to the list of Keeravanis composed by Ilayaraaja.
  They are "Raasaave unnai vida maaten" , sung by Janaki from "AranmanaiKili". Tha bass in this song is noteworthy.
  The next one is the old, haunting "Deiveega raagam Thevitaadha paadal" from "Ullaasa paravaigal". Jency's vocal limitation notwithstanding, the humming, music , soulful tune of this song have all contributed in making this song an evergreen melody
  
  
• From: purv (@ 66.109.34.24) on: Sat Jan 3 17:23:25 EST 2004
  
  Ooraa Therinjikitten (Padikathavan) -- one of my favorites
  Vaanathilirunthu Kulichu Vantha Naal (Poonthottam)
  Munnam Seitha Thavam (Vanajaa Girijaa)
  Poo Pookkum Maasam (Varusham Pathinaaru)
  Enge Sellum Unthan Paathai (Sethu)
  Enna Maranthaalum (Kaathal Saathi)
  
  
• From: purv (@ 66.109.34.24) on: Sat Jan 3 17:28:11 EST 2004
  
  I agree, Rasika, IR has a number of favorite raagas (about 10 to 12, I believe): Mayamalavagowlai, Mohanam, Sudhadhanyasi, Vakhulabharanam, Shankarabharanam, Kalyani, Madhyamavathi, Natabhairavi, Sindhu Bhairavi, Gowrimanohari, Sivaranjani, and Keeravani are all the raagams I believe he has used the most.
  
  
• From: bulbeshwaran (@ 207.112.60.195) on: Sat Jan 3 18:24:36 EST 2004
  
  how come two songs set in the same raaga can sound so different? How do you guys identify which raga a song belongs to? Is there any tutorial for this exercise in newtfmpage?
  
  
• From: odd (@ 64.175.65.249) on: Sat Jan 3 22:10:14 EST 2004
  
  It came as a surprise to me that IR has composed 2 songs in the same ragam (keeravani) in the same film [Thanga Changili and BoopALam isaikkum from Thooral Ninnu POchu]. Is there any other occurrence of such?
  
  
• From: BEWARE! (@ 61.11.77.81) on: Sat Jan 3 23:26:51 EST 2004
  
  
  Ilayaraja's nasal voice is disgusting to hear.
  Only a downright "Nattan" will listen to that!
  Ilaya Raja's days are over. Let him start a school to teach keyboards !
  
  
• From: purv (@ 66.109.34.36) on: Sun Jan 4 18:04:50 EST 2004
  
  odd, IR used the raaga Sarasangi in two songs in Periya Veettu Panakkaran. The songs are 'Muthu Muthu Meedhai Pottu' and 'Malligaiye Malligaiye Tholodu Pol'-- the former is a missing you soga paattu, whereas the latter expresses joy of the lovers reuniting.
  
  Yes, it does happen that the MD will use the same raagam in two or more songs in a single album.
  
  
• From: truth (@ 61.1.250.231) on: Wed Jan 7 02:07:47 EST 2004
  
  ilayaraaja has used kiravani extensively in his compositions.now if any other MD use kiravani now, it sounds like an IR number
  
  
• From: vs (@ 202.54.153.21) on: Wed Jan 7 03:44:02 EST 2004
  
  Hi,
  to an extent, vidyasagar has used kiravani raga his songs.
  
  Anbe anbe ( i dont know the film name actor -->ajith)
  
  
  IR has also used sivaranjani extensively. some of his favourite numbers
  
  1) Oru jivan thaan (naan adimai illai)
  2) Avval oru thevaidai ( i m doubt whether IR scored this music)
  3) Kuyil pattu (en rasavin manasilee)
  4) VAA anbe anbe (agni natchatram)
  
  correct me if m wrong
  
  
  
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• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Wed Jan 7 08:25:31 EST 2004
  
  hi vs, Naan Adimai Illai music was composed by Vijayanand
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 61.247.254.101) on: Wed Jan 7 10:03:21 EST 2004
  
  Rasika,
  
  Boopalam isaikkum from thooral ninnu pochu - gowrimanohari
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.54) on: Wed Jan 7 11:21:23 EST 2004
  
  vs,
  
  your doubt is correct "Avval oru thevaidai" MD is Shankar-Ganesh, the film is nakshatram/nakshathirangaL (??)
  
  
• From: vs (@ 202.54.153.21) on: Thu Jan 8 05:55:21 EST 2004
  
  thnx for updating
  
  
• From: TNA (@ ) on: Thu Feb 5 12:40:03 EST 2004
  
  Odd and Purv:
  
  In the movie Andaan Adimai (2000), IR has used Gowri Manohari in two songs -- correct me if I am wrong. One is "Undan Rajiyathil" and the other is the "koottu" song "Thillu Mullu".
  
  Other Gowri Manoharis of IR are:
  
  1. Mutthamizh Kaviye Varuga
  2. Santhana Kaatre Senthmizh Ootre
  3. Kanna Varuvaaya
  
  Also since you mentioned Periya Veettu Panakkaran, it is a classical album what with Sarasangis (2 of them) and a Vachaspathi (Nikkattuma Pogattuma).
  
  IR has used his genius to tease all of us ...since Vachaspathi sounds very much like Kalyani until its Pa...i.e. Ri, Ga, Ma are all all sound like Kalyani (Ri and Ga are Kalyani's life giving i.e. jiva swaras). Only Da and Ni imprint the Vachaspatiness, if I may.
  
  So the initial violin, flute piece sounds like kalyani, until the "nikkattuma" piece precedes Mano's Nikkattuma vocals. Nikkattuma is where IR defines his Vachaspathi.
  
  TNA
  
  
  
• From: TNA (@ 129.120.38.210) on: Thu Feb 5 13:00:56 EST 2004
  
  Another Gowri Mahohari in my opinion, is
  
  Oru Kaaviyam from the movie "Aruvadai Naal" I guess. I hope the movie is correct, but the song fir sure is correct.
  
  IR has sung this song himself. No violin pieces in this song. It's amazing how IR who is so given to violins in his somgs has not bothered to use even one in many other songs!
  
  One other such song is "Mandram Vantha Thendralukku" from Mouna Ragam. There are lot many more...just cant think of them now.
  
  TNA.
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Thu Feb 5 13:15:28 EST 2004
  
  2 most enjoyable non Ilayaraja Gowrimanoharis are
  the delightful Kavidhai Arangerum Neram and Paattum Naane baavamum naane.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Thu Feb 5 13:43:23 EST 2004
  
  The best Gowri Manohari from IR is from Thooranthil Naan Kanda Un Mugam... (Nizhalgal). IR has brought out the Naunces of the Raga very well.
  
  
• From: TNA (@ 129.120.38.210) on: Thu Feb 5 14:07:41 EST 2004
  
  Hi Dorai,
  
  I had not listened to this song at all! Thanks for pointing to a wonderful IR composition in Gowri Manohari. I cannot agree more with you on how IR has brought out the nuances of the raga in a a very classical way. IR establishes Gowri Manohari right in the opening brief alapana by S. Janaki. I like the elegant phrase "aadum kaatrile"...skipping Pa and sliding right onto Ma from Ni! Wow!
  
  This song reminds very much of Kanna Varuvaaya from Manathil Uruthi Vendum, with the "iktara" rythm in the background, extensive use of the veena and violins and the alluding to Meera's squirming request to Krishna. Also the second charanam in both the songs is in the madhyamakalam (faster speed, a very Mutthuswamy Dikshitaresque feature), which leads to a magnificient crescendo.
  
  But I think I prefer this song over Kanna Varuvaaya, as it is way too advanced for that time.
  
  Any more rare Gowri Manoharis from IR?
  
  TNA.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Thu Feb 5 14:26:29 EST 2004
  
  TNA,
  Good observation
  on "aadum kaatrile"...skipping Pa and sliding right onto Ma from Ni!. That was my favourite phrase/part too in the song.
  Some of other IR's Gowri Manoharis (that I have enjoyed) are as below:
  
  Poobalam Isaikkum -- Thooral Ninu Pochu
  Chinna Chinna Vannakuyil -- Mouna Ragam
  Thendralai Kandukolla -- Nillave Mugam Kaatu
  Pon Vaanum Panneer Thoovum -- Indru Nee Naalai Naan
  
  Any comments?
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Thu Feb 5 14:33:45 EST 2004
  
  Hello Everyone,
  My database shows the following statistics on IR's top 10 usage of Ragas (as of last year end).
  
  Raga # Songs
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  Sindhu Bhairavi  46
  Keeravani 44
  Sudhadhanyasi 37
  Mayamalavagowlai 34
  Shankarabharanam 34
  Mohanam 28
  Kalyani 25
  Natabhairavi 25
  Madhyamavathi 22
  Sivaranjani 22
  
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 198.16.9.11) on: Thu Feb 5 14:40:31 EST 2004
  
  Find below the complete stats
  Raga /# Songs
  Sindhu Bhairavi  46
  Keeravani 44
  Sudhadhanyasi 37
  Mayamalavagowlai 34
  Shankarabharanam 34
  Mohanam 28
  Kalyani 25
  Natabhairavi 25
  Madhyamavathi 22
  Sivaranjani 22
  Karaharapriya 19
  Vakulabharanam 18
  Hindolam 17
  Gowrimanohari 16
  Harikhambhodhi 15
  Charukesi 14
  Hamsadhwani 14
  Subhapanthuvarali 12
  Sudhasaveri 12
  Bhageshri 10
  Hamsanandhi 10
  Kapi 10
  Shanmugapriya 10
  Abheri 9
  Chakravagam 9
  Sarasangi 9
  Simmendramadhyamam 9
  Aarabhi 8
  Dharmavathi 8
  Jog 8
  Dharbhari Kanada 7
  Hamsanadham 7
  Lalitha 7
  Sriranjani 7
  Bilahari 6
  Brindhavana Saranga 6
  Chandrakouns 6
  Amruthavarshini 5
  Lathaangi 5
  Malayamaarutham 5
  Reethigowlai 5
  Abhoghi 4
  Ananda Bhairavi 4
  Kedharam 4
  Panthuvarali 4
  Rasikaranjini 4
  Thilang 4
  Thodi 4
  Vasantha 4
  Bahudhari 3
  Bhavapriya 3
  Chalanaatai 3
  Desh 3
  Dhenuka 3
  Hameer Kalyani 3
  Hemavathi 3
  Khamas 3
  Natai 3
  Natakapriya 3
  Neethimathi 3
  Pahadi 3
  Patdheep 3
  Ragavardhani 3
  Ramapriya 3
  Revathi 3
  Rishivani 3
  Samudrapriya 3
  Srothaswini 3
  Vijayanagari 3
  Yaman Kalyani 3
  Alankarapriya 2
  Andholika 2
  Bhargavi 2
  Bhoopalam 2
  Chandrajothi 2
  Chitrambhari 2
  Gamanasrama 2
  Gambheera Naatai 2
  Gowlai 2
  Jingla 2
  Kamavardhini (Panthuvarali) 2
  Kanada 2
  Kanakangi 2
  Kedharagowla 2
  Kundalavarali 2
  Lavanthika 2
  Malahari 2
  Manirangu 2
  Mohana Kalyani 2
  Nalinaganthi 2
  Neelambari 2
  Paavani 2
  Poornachandrika 2
  Pushpalathika 2
  Ranjani 2
  Rasikapriya 2
  Saindhavi 2
  Sallabam 2
  Saramathi 2
  Tharalam 2
  Vaachaspati 2
  Ahirbhairavi 1
  Brindhavani 1
  Chalanaatai  1
  Ganamurthi 1
  Hemabhushini 1
  Karnaranjani 1
  Karnataka Khamas 1
  Kathyayini 1
  Lavantipriya 1
  Madhukauns 1
  Madhyamavathi 1
  Malkauns 1
  Nagandhini 1
  Nayaki 1
  Puriya Dhanashri 1
  Rathnaganthi 1
  Rishabhapriya 1
  Rukmambari 1
  Saranga 1
  
  Anyone who is interested in a complete excel sheet of just IR songs (with excel pivot tables on the counts), email me at doraip@manulogics.com. I would like everyone to enjoy.
  
  

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