Topic started by Genius (@ 206.236.38.130) on Mon Dec 4 18:39:49 EST 2000.
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Who is this Harris Jeyaraj?
Apart from being a keyboard player for ARR, what is his history?
He wasnt in the news until he came up with this album of Minnale, which defly deserves a mention.
Dhina who was in news quite sometime is no more to be found. HJ came in limelight with his first mega release, which my friend in Chennai says has become a hit overnight. Post news links to HJ here.
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- From: ISAI (@ 129.252.25.39)
on: Thu Dec 7 16:52:28 EST 2000
Swamiji,
Romba,romba,romba pessitta...I know u r an IR fanatic...U fanatics, will always crib like this...U guys will eat only the old rice. I'm sure u guys are basically very upset with IR's pathetic performance over the last decade. U guys couldn't digest the over-whelming success of new MD's. We r young people. We need a change...We need good music,good recording,good quality music. We don't want to buy CD's which has very very poor recording and crap songs. ARR's recording quality is amazing.(Barring IR's Thalapathi, that too mani might have influenced IR to record properly!!!) We(ARR's fans) are not fanatics...We accept good music by any MD's.Either it is HJ or any new comer. We r fans of music and ARR is the only guy hu is giving good music, so by virtue of it we r ARR's fans.
One more thing swamiji, Don't think that ARR's fans don't know abt music. We know what we know and we are nerai kudam so we won't thalumbify. IR garvathaala than azhingaar so, u IR fanatics don't be like him. Be modest and open.
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Thu Dec 7 16:58:06 EST 2000
Its okay to be appreciative of any MD. But to insist somebody has not done good work one has to be a little technical/give some specifics. Just the credentials of being a fan in the past does not make somebody's comments to be taken seriously. (Dorai, yeah, thats how I feel sincerely).
People think ejamaan alone is IR's style. This I think is a gross generalisation. This is the reason I wanted to take up classification of IRs works into various categories but I need some help from music savvy people. My proposal is there in the 'Analysing IR's songs' thread.
- From: tim (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:00:48 EST 2000
swamiji,
tell me one one thing,
Do you mean to say the discussions in newtfmpage are limited to people who know music theory.
Music is an art form, you cannot contain it by written down theory. Many things are learnt from "kelvi gnanam", human being is born with it, a new born learns only by "kelvi", this gnanam helps us to speak. It is not dangerous, as far as the saying goes...half learning is only dangerous.
You are angry that people are trashing IR, take it easy, even i am angry what can we do ?
If you feel IR has done music perfect to theory,
and if you can understand it, great you have special skill to do so, we dont have that here.
try to explain we will learn, but please dont use the skill on people like me who enjoy music without knowing sa re ga ma pa..
End the story here.
Do not read or post things here - take a hike and come back after some time., you might learn something here.
- From: ISAI (@ 129.252.25.39)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:05:17 EST 2000
Fliflo,
I happen to see ur list of films that IR has composed after ARR's Arrival.
Do u think all the songs in these movies are good? One or two songs in a movie is not enough son...Y do ya think all the top movie makers have gone splitted with IR? Y would anyone say no to someone hu is good? Because they have realised that IR is out of stock. He is exausted... I don't blame him. It's not his fault. His limitations are exposed. Thaz it. U can call him a veteran. But if he still wants to play then it's a joke. So it's high time that he starts serving the field(kalaipani) by calling it a day.
- From: ISAI (@ 129.252.25.39)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:11:23 EST 2000
I fully agree with tim on his remarks to swamiji's posting. Music is something which is an art. IT is not science. There is no need for anyone to analyse it. If it is good it is good. If it is bad it is bad. Thaz it. U don't need to analyse anything there. So swamiji if u r analysing it then u've some reason for it. Whereas i don't need to. So better take a break,stop u r kirukkals here for sometime and come back later as a refreshed man.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:20:43 EST 2000
Tim & ISAI - U and I are totally different. I dont say I know more music - or claim I do. You see a MAGICIAN as an Artist, WHEREAS I SEE A MAGICIAN AS USING PRINCIPLES OF SCIENCE TO CREATE AN ART FORM. PERIOD....
- From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:39:32 EST 2000
Swamiji,
Life will be boring if you associate everything to science :)
touch your heart and tell me that you have'nt associated a musical phrase with any of your school days or college days puppy love? ;) Did you analyse music at that time? I'm sure that you must have loved any crap music at that time...
Naveen
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:49:08 EST 2000
Naveen, let me explain something. Science becomes a pain when there are exams and marks attached to it. But it is actually fun. Science in the kitchen (I got this book as a present), Science in everything I can think of. Science is a means to explain why things happen as the way it does. Even when I was a Kid, I certainly knew harmonies (or can sing it) but its just that later I knew that they were called chords. I would rip any fragment of music and tell you what notes they contain. I dont need an instrument. WHY DO I DO IT?? becoz I LOVE MUSIC. and when I Love something, Iam interested to know WHY i love it. (Meaning the science behind it)... Only when I undertood then did I really learn to appreciate things more.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Thu Dec 7 17:50:45 EST 2000
My point, Analysis is what makes us SEE different things. If I dont analyze and stay contented, THEN life becomes boring!
- From: time (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Thu Dec 7 18:33:05 EST 2000
swamiji,
When we start to analyze before we cosume, at a given point we cannot consume, we will be analyzing analyzing analyzing analyzing....
music is for heart not for the brain...thiruvalar "fan" use to make this statement, though I have opposed most of his comments, I liked this one.
You are seeing music with brain., go ahead no one stops you, similarly make sure you dont stop others.
When I hear music , I hear only music.
You really need a time out.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Thu Dec 7 18:43:27 EST 2000
Time yes. I need time out, too much pressure on me right now.
"Music is for the heart, not the brain" - That is for the listener
"Music is CREATED in mind" - That is for the composer...
- From: Genius (@ 206.236.38.130)
on: Thu Dec 7 19:07:02 EST 2000
http://www.chennaiweb.com/en/
Says the music director of Minnale is R.S. Jayaraj.. which is true??
is it really Harris or R.S. ??????
I am confused.
- From: chumma vetti (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Thu Dec 7 20:48:09 EST 2000
It's Harris Jeyaraj only. That site didn't update for long. So don't care.
- From: fan (@ 63.226.195.78)
on: Thu Dec 7 21:12:35 EST 2000
swamji....you have plenty of things to do, please dont waste your time here.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221)
on: Thu Dec 7 23:59:02 EST 2000
A re-post of my first post in this thread ;))
"Harris jeyaraj doesnt demand a separate thread yet ;))"
- From: Isaipriyan (@ 202.142.65.198)
on: Fri Dec 8 03:17:06 EST 2000
Well guys, I think this is a repetition. Please dont compare HJ, whose first film is yet to be released, with a veteran of 800 films.
Moreover, the quality of a music director is not only judged by the standards of his songs and recording. There is much more to it. Let us wait till the film is released and see how HJ does in the BGM of the film. That will decide whether we need a separate thread for HJ or not ?
I would like to reiterate that only those music directors who set a trend in TFM, stand alone. Going by the songs of Minnaley, HJ only proves that he is yet another copycat of ARR. There is nothing new in the soundtrack. In this regard, I agree with most of the view put forth by Swamiji.
Swamiji !! neenga kalakkunga... nyaayamaana korikkaigalaukku ennikkum aadharavu undu...!!
- From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30)
on: Fri Dec 8 11:27:10 EST 2000
ISAI
Who are those 'top movie makers' you are talking about? Can you name them and their last movie with IR, before they split up?
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Fri Dec 8 12:34:27 EST 2000
Re: "If we start analysing ..."
2, 4, 6, 8 ...
what is the next number ? 10 . Very simple.
1 5 14 30 55 ?
what is the next number 91
(1, 1+2^2, 5+3^2, 14+4^2)
(I just made this series up)
For some the second can be equally easy. (I know people who can easily crack any number series within seconds)
So knowledge can lead to enjoyment of music.
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Fri Dec 8 13:43:22 EST 2000
Exactly! Thanks to isaipriyan and kiru. I certainly feel we need change. I am (once again I repeat) not satisfied with the music thats been made now. Look at some of the wonderful films that has/had been made in hollywood and compare it with what u listen in tamil films...Tamil films(nowadays) sound like one BIG advertisement! No quality music...CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE....There is only exploration of sounds, but no exploration of music....
- From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188)
on: Fri Dec 8 14:27:42 EST 2000
Bach a uyiroda ezhuppa vendiyadhudhaan!
Naveen
- From: (^!^) (@ 208.24.179.208)
on: Fri Dec 8 14:44:03 EST 2000
Swamiji:ungaLukku...
1. music la enna vENumnu theriyum
2. vENumgiradha eppdi uruvaakkaradhu ngaradhum theriyum
3. uruvaakka vEndiyadhOda output (in terms of recording, sound, effects) etc eppdi irukkaNumnu theriyum.
4. adha uruvaakkinappuram eppdi participants kku proper credit kodukkaNumnu theriyum.
ivvaLavu knowldege vachchirundhu adha proper channel la route paNNaama irukkaradhu 'kani iruppaa kaai kavarvadhu' illiyaa?
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Fri Dec 8 15:20:24 EST 2000
(^!^) - I just brought home a Triton! Vaaname yellaiyo....I need time. Yenna, I am so scared that I will repeat something...But it is definitely in my mind. Maybe start with Ads!!
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