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another raja movie for oscars...

Topic started by prakash (@ 193.113.185.165) on Sun Nov 12 12:49:38 EST 2000.
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Another movie with music by raja goes for the oscars!
Heyram is the indian movie for foriegn film category.other tamil movies thta were considered were barathy,sethu and ! kushi.

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Responses:

• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Sun Nov 12 12:50:35 EST 2000
  
  Prakash,
  
  Are you serious abt Kushi?
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 62.7.55.173) on: Sun Nov 12 13:13:21 EST 2000
  
  visit http://www.dinakaran.com/cinema/default.html
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 193.113.185.165) on: Sun Nov 12 13:19:39 EST 2000
  
  sorry -specifically
  http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/2000/Nov/12/cinema/cineNews0.html
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Sun Nov 12 13:25:35 EST 2000
  
  Prakash,
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Sun Nov 12 14:42:37 EST 2000
  
  That is indeed an achievement:
  
  (1) nayagan
  (2) devar magan
  (3) anjali
  (4) guru
  (5) heyram
  
  any other ?
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 213.123.67.142) on: Sun Nov 12 15:00:49 EST 2000
  
  swathi muthyam(telugu)
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 213.123.67.142) on: Sun Nov 12 15:06:45 EST 2000
  
  http://www.msn.co.in
  gives detailed list of films-another movie that was considered was also by ir-kochu kochu santhoshangal.
  raja rules!
  
  
• From: Hmm... (@ 129.188.33.226) on: Sun Nov 12 17:54:29 EST 2000
  
  Strangely, msn does not list Kushi. Another instance of embellishment by dinakaran?
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Mon Nov 13 07:19:20 EST 2000
  
  If i remember correct Sagara Sangamam
  (Salangai Oli) was also sent for Oscar.
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Mon Nov 13 11:55:19 EST 2000
  
  Does anybody know how these nominations are done? Is there a committee of Oscar in India which evaluates all applicants? Any detail on this is welcome.
  
  Also, can we nominate a movie for 'Best MD', 'Best Art' etc. Were any of these movies listed nominated for the 'Best MD category'?
  
  Finally, do any of you seriously beleive that the fact 'nominated for Oscar', increases your respect you have for that creator/creation?
  
  
• From: Ichi (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Mon Nov 13 12:03:54 EST 2000
  
  Hi doubter,
  I think there is only a Best film award for for'n films. I think for best actor,etc there is only a common pool. Remember Roberto Benigni won the best actor Life is Beautiful, despite the fact that the film was in Italian.
  Bye
  
  
• From: a.a (@ 203.199.228.239) on: Mon Nov 13 12:49:54 EST 2000
  
  South Indian film chamber this year recommended 4 tamil films including Kushi and three each in other southern languages to ALL INDIA FILM FEDERATION..MUMBAI they in turn has chosen HEYRAM(which version...only Kamal knows...Hindi or Tamil..) This is for DOUBTER....and allthe Best for I.R. Ahmed Ali
  
  
• From: Shankar T (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Mon Nov 13 13:02:58 EST 2000
  
  Check the eligibility rules at http://www.oscars.org/72academyawards/rules2.html
  
  Going by the rules it looks as if the songs(of Hey Ram) were picturised in a way to fit the music score eligibilities for Academy awards. Any idea about Hey Ram playing in LA county for more than 7 days, english sub-titles etc,.?
  
  
  Shankar
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Mon Nov 13 13:50:03 EST 2000
  
  Thanks, Ichi. Your guess has been proved right by the link given by Shankar.
  
  ahmed,
  By your info, there was one movie in each language from South. If 'kushi' won the slot for Tamil movies (Is the producer of 'kushi' a member in that selection committee?) and 'kochu kochu...' for mallu, then I think 'Hey Ram' would have gained entry as a Telugu movie. I am sure it was not dubbed in Kannada.
  
  Shankar
  
  Hihihihihi.... What is this sir? Asking chilly, chilly kosteeen. When desi consultants can get so many LCAs, which is supposedly given after advertisements, interviews etc, there must be loop holes in this process also. These would promptly be exploited by our guys.
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Mon Nov 13 14:17:03 EST 2000
  
  No need to look-out for loop holes! Here's the alternative given in Rule Three:
  A picture first theatrically exhibited
  outside the U.S. prior to the Los Angeles qualifying run shall be eligible for submission provided the prior exhibition
  takes place in a commercial motion picture theater after January 1, 1998, with the following further conditions: a) the
  film may not be exhibited publicly in any other medium for a six-month period following the commencement of its initial
  theatrical engagement. Will VCDs be considered as 'non-theatrical' form?
  
  
• From: Shankar T (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Mon Nov 13 14:20:43 EST 2000
  
  LCAs? Its gonna be tough finding loop holes for this...
  
  Shankar
  
  
• From: Shankar T (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Mon Nov 13 14:25:14 EST 2000
  
  nakkeeran,
  It still has to play in LA to be considered in the common pool, right? So, you guys not sure if it was screened there?
  
  
  Shankar
  
  
• From: doubt (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Nov 13 15:37:05 EST 2000
  
  seriously , leave LA,
  how many days heyram went in chennai,
  does this movies really deserve an oscar ?
  
  we were not given for "Anjali" which is much better movie in all sense,
  
  we are simply wasting our time.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Nov 13 16:00:53 EST 2000
  
  Doubt,
  
  I think to a certain extent they(people who chose Hey ram) are banking on "Gandhi" factor to get some recognition among foreign critics.
  
  
• From: ahmed (@ 203.199.228.222) on: Tue Nov 14 01:30:19 EST 2000
  
  Doubter...Please read again..I said four in tamil,three in telugu,three in mallu,three in Kannada....Please Nuni PULLU meinjuttu..ennai Kindal pannadhenga...a.a...
  
  
• From: vikram chander (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Tue Nov 14 09:27:15 EST 2000
  
  Hey Doubt,
  do you mean to say just because a movie
  is a flop,it does not deserve to qualify fo oscar.
  HeyRam is a better movie than any other movie a
  million times.No other director has ever dared to
  experimentlike Kamal did in that film.Anjali is
  a great movie but not a patch of heyram.
  Regards,
  Vikram chander
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Nov 14 10:47:46 EST 2000
  
  Vikram,
  
  Anyday,Anjali would qualify as a movie which has more and better universal theme than Hey Ram.I don't think sensitivity of a child had been portrayed better than this.
  
  Experimentation just for the sake of enhancing one aspect of the movie(say a MD's musical or an actor's acting ability)is not good.The film should work as a whole seamlessly without any blemishes and anyone watching the movie should be able to identify with it(universal appeal).I think there is an art to experimentation too.
  
  Moreover, Anjali would qualify in both mainstream and children's category.
  
  Trend
  
  
• From: Shankar T (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Tue Nov 14 10:52:23 EST 2000
  
  Doubt,
  I agree with you in that 'Hey Ram' is probably not good enough to be nominated for best foreign lang movie (that has nothing to do with how many days it played in Chennai). But does it meet the requirements to be considered for other categories?
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Tue Nov 14 10:58:27 EST 2000
  
  ahmed, sorry I did not read it thoroughly. Like you said, I did graze only the tip of the grass. But, did my posting sound like 'kindal' to you? That was not my intention. Sorry, if it sounded like that.
  
  
• From: really? (@ 216.34.244.106) on: Tue Nov 14 12:00:57 EST 2000
  
  hey ram got a standing ovation at the Toronto International Film Festival after its two screenings
  
  Noah cowen- a well-known film critic- raved about it.
  
  Other festival reviews had mostly positive comments on it. One review gave it 3/4 stars the review being laced with superlatives like "Powerful","Poignant" etc (Contrast it with what the recent hollywood release "Men of honor" screened at the festival got from the reviewer (2/4 stars))
  
  Not Oscar-nomination worthy you say?
  
  If the perils in the mentality of human beings to form herds and be intolerant of other beliefs/philosophies/opinions doesn't constitute an "Universal" theme - I don't know what does.
  
  I guess there shd. be a special screening of Hey Ram for the myriad of fan herd err..clubs in this forum-with konar-like notes to smoothen the shock of not watching a run-of-the-mill pre-digested fluff of a movie.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Nov 14 12:47:29 EST 2000
  
  Really?,
  
  I've noticed reviews of critics or movie sites which give higher points or stars for foreign movies.As far as I know,99% of the Indian films screened at the film festivals doesn't get a bad review by critics.
  
  Anjali surely is superior to Hey Ram.But,it(HR) could have had a better direction.At times I thought the flow wasn't there.
  
  Hey Ram surely had good acting performances(NA for best-supporting actor and Kamal's acting was excellent too).Acting in a Kamal film and getting an award for acting(with the scope the actor gets) is the most difficult thing any one would never even dream of.Three cheers to Atul Kulkarni!!!
  
  Is it a criteria to appreciate Hey Ram to prove one doesn't mean one needs konar-like notes to smoothen the shock of not watching a run-of-the-mill pre-digested fluff of a movie?If it is then then I would be interested in those notes.
  
  I think Hey Ram and men of honor is an unwarranted comparison.Can Kamal do 1% of what Robert DeNiro does?
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Nov 14 13:24:51 EST 2000
  
  can someone pin-point the story or the message in heyram ?
  I can for anjali.
  
  
  
  IMHO:Kamal lost his way concentrating too much on other things (issues)
  
  Just a joke!...
  
  Something like Arr missing out the main tune by concentrating on other things. :))
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Nov 14 13:39:41 EST 2000
  
  why dont you guys go and talk in forumhub.com/tfilms?
  
  that place is doing real bad, with junk talk.
  
  
• From: Shankar T (@ 206.222.96.195) on: Tue Nov 14 13:47:30 EST 2000
  
  kk,
  did you read thru' all the postings before you wrote that? Yours is the first junk post.
  
  S
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Nov 14 14:33:17 EST 2000
  
  Shankar please understand what kk is trying to say. He is only appreciative of the conversation here. Dont jump the gun.
  I am not sure why Trend thinks Hey Ram is not Oscar material. It was a technically perfect movie, but like fan says it did not drive home the message very well. Maybe we are used to very cinematic/dramatic scripts. Probably what is shown in Hey Ram is more realistic. I did not like the special effects things like that plant growing. The very first song.And that old plane flying did not look realistic at all. Keeping the Indian audience in mind Kamal could have toned out the 'hot stuff' but you know Kamal :-). It would not be a problem with international/western audience who identify physical closeness as indicators of deep love.
  Kamal did a very tight script and good direction. Camera, art and music were done very well. Note, these are production aspects of the film and international audience's minimum standards are much higher.
  I dont remember Anjali very well. But I remember it was in the usual indian commercial film format whereas Hey Ram is not.
  
  

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