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KAVIYARASU KANNADASAN

Topic started by On behalf of Sankar (@ 210.186.51.129) on Mon Dec 30 07:11:34 EST 2002.
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Kaaviyathayin Illaya magan
Kadhal Pengalin Perun thalaivan
Paamara jaadiyil thani manidan – naan
Padaippadhanal yen per Iraivan

Naan Manida jaadiyai aati vaipen – avar
Maandu vital adhai paadi vaipen
NAAN NIRANDARAM AANAVAN AZHIVADILAI
ENDA NILAYILUM ENAKKU MARANAM ILLAI

These are the great lines of Kaviyarasu Kannadasan in the movie Ratha Thilakam where he acts in the movie singing these lines. ( Song.. Oru Koopayilae yen kudiyiruppu)

What a visionary he was ? Indeed, he is NIRANDARAMAANAVAN.

I share some of my observations about Kavingyar. I want all the fans of HIM to join this discussion and add more quality material in praise of his great works.
This is the only way we pay tributes to this GENIUS.
WILL WE EVER GET BACK A KAVINGYAR LIKE KANNADASAN ??

Read the complete opening post here.

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• From: R.Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.213) on: Wed Apr 30 05:25:05 EDT 2003
  
  Hi! folks, I am taking a break in view of the forthcoming Workers' Day activities. Will be back soon but please keep the postings rollings.
  
  Regards
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 195.39.134.84) on: Sat May 3 02:12:24 EDT 2003
  
  Mahendra raj, isn't the kodimalar song like 'mouname paarvaiyaal oru paattu paada vendum' - is this song by kavinjar ?
  
  
• From: venkatesh (@ 203.145.155.25) on: Mon May 5 06:55:36 EDT 2003
  
  Hi.
  
  Mr. mahendra raj, Where can i get lyrics of all the songs written by Kaviarasu in Chennai? I heard there is a publication which produces kaviarasu books - Pl. let me know the name and address of the publication and the book name.
  
  Mahendra raj, i sent a mail to ur yahoo ID but it bounced. pl. let me know the correct ID
  
  thanks
  
  venkatesh
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Mon May 5 19:47:42 EDT 2003
  
  venkatesh,
  There are at least 2 volumes of KK's movie songs. Vanathi Pathippagam released them. Any TN bookstore carrying Thamizh books should have them.
  
  There are many sites on the net selling Thamizh books. Perhaps some other folks here can post the links.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.12) on: Mon May 5 21:12:07 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya:
  
  There are exactly 3 volumes titled 'thirai isaip paadalgaL' by Kavinjar Kannadhasan.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.12) on: Tue May 6 21:23:25 EDT 2003
  
  Venkatesh and Udhaya:
  
  I just came to know that the series has 5 volumes, and not 3 as I mentioned yesterday.
  
  
• From: Subramaniam V Koduvayur (@ 12.234.61.78) on: Sat May 10 11:12:11 EDT 2003
  
  I am ardent fan of Kaviarasar. Got into this site while browsing. He has written many lyrics which are all time great. To start with let me talk about a song which is for a nuptial night.
  
  'Kannan kovilil thuyil kondan
  Iru kannam kuzhi vizha nagaiseidhan
  ennai nilavinil thuyar seidhan
  adhil ethanai ethanai sugam vaithan
  serndhu maghizhndhu pouradi
  thalai seevi mudithen neeradi
  kannathai paarthen munnadi
  patta kayathai sonnadhu kannadi'
  
  There are so many songs which are written these days by various lyricists for such occassions. Most of them are vulgar, some of them probably are good because of the tune or the bgm but nothing carries the value of words neither the sutleness with which one can narrate such an occassion.
  
  Let me know if anyone feel that there are poets who can beat these type of lines from the ever great kaviarasar.
  
  
• From: lav (@ 192.39.39.47) on: Mon May 12 04:29:03 EDT 2003
  
  Gud to see more participants (I am generally in read only mode..). What happened R.Mahendraraj? No updates from him for quite some time.
  
  
• From: Surbamaniam V Koduvayur (@ 12.234.61.78) on: Mon May 12 15:44:52 EDT 2003
  
  Just to add onto what shankar initially started off...how about this one:
  
  'Vanam endhan malaigai
  Vaiyam endhan medaiye
  ennangal...naan ennum ennangal
  engirundhen, inguvandhen
  isai'yineley ennai marandhen
  iraivan sabayil kalainjan naan'
  
  What if vairamuthu is kaviperarasar...this is what kaviarasar has to say..
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 210.186.0.162) on: Tue May 13 04:24:47 EDT 2003
  
  Hi! folks, am back again after a short inevitable break.
  
  Nuptial songs are aplenty by kaviarasar and amongst them some were cticised and even banned from public broadcasts.
  
  "Vaarai en thozhi vaarayo" had the lines "malaratha pennum malarum....." which were seen in bad light by the then critics and moralists.
  
  "Ennirendum pathinaaru vayathu" ('Annai Illam' 1963) had this controversial line "....siru thunbom polla inbathile iravarumae kalanthum".
  
  "Ithu varai neengal paartha paarvai ithukkaagathaana?" ('Panakkara Kudumbam' 1964)was banned due its suggestive lines as well as the night scene background music which complemented the critics' claims.
  
  Most of the critics are dead and gone now and surely they will be turning in their graves if the present more provocative songs are played to them!
  
  The beauty in kaviarasar's penmanship is such 'vulgarities' are disguised in chaste Tamil so much so that one feels the sense of guilt when criticising.
  
  I personally feel that no other poet has equalled his standards in two love-duet songs i.e. "En arugil nee irunthaal iyarkkai ellam sulaluvathu yean?" ('Thirudathae' 1961) and "Moodi thirantha imai irandum paar paar endrathu" ('Thaayai Kaatha Thanayan' 1962).
  
  The emotions displayed in these two songs are beyond explanation. It can be regarded as an ice-breaker for novice lovers. And of course, "Chippi irukkathu..." ('Varumayin Niram Sigappu' 1981). I am yet to come across 'ice breaker' songs like these by others. Is it any wonder then to hear songs like "Kannadhasanae Kanndhasanae vanthu vidu En kaathal varigalai konjam thiruthividu" ('Marikozhunthu' 1991)!
  
  Btw, Venkatesh something is indeed wrong with my e-mail address. Try these both:- raj_k65@yahoo.com.sg OR raj_k65@yahoo.sg.
  
  Will be back soon with more snippets on kaviarasar.
  
  Bye folks!
  
  
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Tue May 13 05:32:30 EDT 2003
  
  More to add in the series "rasamaana" paadagal
  
  1. Muthu pavalam mukkani chakkarai moodi vaikkalamaa... kottum malargal kattum munne moham koLLalaamaa from "ArunOdhayam" for Sivaji and Saroja Devi
  2. Kaattu raaNi kOttayilke kadhavugal illai... ingu kaaval kaakka kadavuLai andri oruvarum illai from "Kattu RaaNi" for KR Vijaya
  3. MuthukkaLO kaNgaL - One of the lines "virundhu ketpadhenna adhaiyum viraindhu ketpadhenna" for Sivaji and KR Vijaya
  4. VeNNilaa vaanil varum veLayil naan vizhithirundhen from "Mannippu" for Jaishankar and V.Nirmala - The lines "muthu sippi vaai thirakka mogam kondu thudithirukka... kottum mazhai thuLi vizhundhu konja konja enna varum... aaaa aaa aaa aahaa muthu ondru pirandhu varum" (pakka seductive lines... a major doubt.. was it penned by Kannadasan or Vaali?)
  5. Another great duet by BMK and PS. "Thanga radham vandhadhu veedhile" - In that, "seviLa-neerin kaN thirandhu semmadhuLai-yin maNi vaai piLandhu..." ayyo saami podhummmm (I guess this was also by Kannadasan).
  
  :-))
  
  
• From: raj (@ 12.30.122.10) on: Tue May 13 09:12:45 EDT 2003
  
  some Corrections Subbu
  
  2. "kaatu rani kottayile" is from thayai Kaatha thanayan so Obviously it is for Saroja Devi
  
  4. Mannipu had songs by Vaali only Music SMS
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.31) on: Tue May 13 09:22:46 EDT 2003
  
  raj and subbu
  
  'vennilaa vaanil' is by aalangudi somu.
  
  Vaali wrote the more popular 'neeyenge en ninaivugaL ange'
  
  
• From: raj (@ 12.30.122.10) on: Tue May 13 10:09:07 EDT 2003
  
  vennila vaanil is also by Vaali
  
  Title has only one lyricist which is vaali for mannippu
  
  
• From: Subramaniam V Koduvayur (@ 63.200.38.110) on: Tue May 13 15:41:13 EDT 2003
  
  In the same line for 'rasamaana padalgal' I recollect one more song from kaviarasar written for Karnan:
  
  'Valai konda karam ondru anal kondu vedikum..anal kondu vedikum
  malar pondra idhazh indru pani kondu thudikum
  thunai kolla avan indri thaniyaka nadikum
  thuyiladha penmaiku yen indha mayakkam'
  
  A great song though..
  
  
• From: Canadian (@ 64.231.132.252) on: Tue May 13 21:50:49 EDT 2003
  
  Hi, It is really interesting to read about kavignar Kannadhasan. One song I really like of kannadhasan is from panakkara kudumbam. The song is "Parakkum Pandhu Parakkum. Adhu Parandhoadi varum thoodhu" MGR and Sarojadevi are playing badminton (though the background music sounds like tennis) As usual when you play tennis if the ball comes towards the player's (lady) face, the eyes will struggle in fear (Poaraadum). Now Kannadhasan gives a kavidhai vadivam to that. He says that the ball came towards the face of the girl on its own thinking that it is the moon. "Idhu thaan andha nilavoe endru mugam paarrkkum vanna pandhu" He doesn't stop there. When the eye struggles in fear that the ball is going to strike the face, Kanadhasan says that the vandu in the mullai malar (face) was struggling in anxiety Knowing that the ball mistook the face to be a moon, as it is a mullai flower where the vandu (eye) is stationed. In this song there is no beginning or end to kannadhasan's poetic stream. I hope I explained it well. Canadian
  
  
• From: Canadian (@ 64.231.132.252) on: Tue May 13 21:53:04 EDT 2003
  
  I missed the second set of lyrics. It says
  " Illai idhu mullai endru poaraadum kannin vandu"
  
  
• From: Subramaniam V Koduvayur (@ 12.234.61.78) on: Wed May 14 10:18:13 EDT 2003
  
  I forgot the moview where MGR (called as Chandran) and Saroja Devi pair up. There is a misunderstaning in their affair and MGR takes up a role in a circus company. Saroja Devi comes to know about this and rushes to meet him during the day and since. the circus is only in the evening she is asked to come in the evening and in the evening he is playing the circus. Kaviarasar writes...
  
  'Pagaliley chandiranai paarka ponnen
  avan iraviley varuvadhaga oruthi sonnal
  iraviley avanai kaana naanum sendren
  avan ellorum parkumbadi uyarathil irundhan'
  
  
• From: raj (@ 12.30.122.10) on: Wed May 14 11:18:53 EDT 2003
  
  subramaniam,
  the movie u r talking abt is "Kulamagal Raadhai"
  where in Shivaji & Saroja devi are in Lead . this film had Devika too
  
  Saroja devi & shivaji are lovers .. due to some mis understanding shivaji leaves to town & joins the circus run by Svrangarao(??) whose daughter is Devika
  
  All are good songs
  2 particular songs where chandran is used is
  
  "chandiranai kaanamal alli mugam malaruma"
  "pagalile chandiranai Paarka ponen"
  
  other good songs are
  "iravukku aayiram kangal"
  "unnai solli kutramillai"
  
  
  
• From: Canadian (@ 216.154.128.139) on: Thu May 15 10:37:26 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Subramaniam and Raj, "Pagaliley" point was a great one. It shows how efficiently and effortlessly Kannadhasan covers various issues within a song. He is so rich with Tamil words, so that he is like a painter (artist) when he writes his lyrics. He so effortlessly touches his painting with many subtle and suitable colors within the guidelines of the situation. Raj, the "Unnai cholli kutramillai" has another interesting link to Tamil Literature - Kamba Ramayanam. Kannadhasan brought Tamil Literature to every Tamil household through his songs. Even people who could not read Tamil enjoyed the fruits of Tamil Literature though his songs. When Kaigayie chose Barathan over Raman to be the king, Laxman was furious, and to calm Laxhman down Ramar says as follows:
  “Nadhiyin pizhai andru narum punal inmai/
  padhiyin pizhai andru payandhu namai purandhaal/
  madhiyin pizhai andru magan pizhai andru /
  vidhiyin pizhai nee ennai idhatku vegundanai?”
  Unnai cholli kutramillai ennai cholli kutramillai. it is nobody's mistake. It is not the rivers mistake, not the kings mistake, not the mistake of the intelligence. It is Vidhiyin mistake. Kaalam seidha koalam. Kavignar was so much in love with these lines of Kambar, he later included these lines literally in his "Nallavarkellaam saatchigal Rendu ondru mana saatchi"song. The lines go as follows: "Nadhi vellam kaaindhu vittaal nadhi seidha kutram illai vidhi seidah kutram andri vaeru yaaramma". Nadhiyin pizhai andru narum punal inmai. If there is no water in the river it is not the mistake of the river. What a great poet. When Kannadhasan died the Tamil Literature in our cinema died
  
  

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