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Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy (The Golden Era of TFM)

Topic started by Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on Tue Dec 10 00:50:43 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

TFM really took a turn with the arrival of this duo to the field. While TFM has been in existence before Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy, it is after their debut that TFM really kicked off.

Songs pre-VR suffered an early death even by the 60s, whereas VR songs are most popular even today, some 40 years later.

Added to their success story is the fact that nearly ALL their songs became popular and still remain so. This is no mean achievement with no other MD having ever reached their success rate.

Let us use this thread to recollect, remininse and celebrate this great duo and their contributions to TFM.
Hope to get interesting quips from knowledgeable people like Manisegaran, Sathya Keerthi, Saravanan, Uthaya, OISG etc etc.

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Responses:

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• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.174) on: Mon Dec 23 23:53:25 EST 2002
  
  OISG- Thanks for the deatiled response.
  
  SL- Oh yes, Maargazhi paniyil is a beautiful song indeed. How romantic does SPB sound- kaarkuzhal kadalil, kani idhazh parugi, kaadhalai valarthen- isaippaadi-- and how he repeats 'isaippaadi' twice- how dreamy he sounds!
  
  'Vaanathil aayiram thaaragai pookkal vedikkai paarkayile, gaanathil naangal kalandhirundhom, ini verenna vaazhkkayile, verenna vaazhkkayiley'-
  these lines are so caressingly sung.
  
  And then what follows is pure enchantment: 'Maan oru kannil meen oru kannil neendhi vara, mangani thannai poonkodi ondru yendhi vara--' I could go on about this song (I am not sure about the lyrics), but this the stuff dreams are made of!
  
  Thanks SL, for reminding me of this song!
  
  
• From: kp (@ 61.1.195.101) on: Tue Dec 24 06:23:17 EST 2002
  
  Sriram Lakshman:
  
  thedi varum deiva sugam is indeed a great song. In the song the fast unconventional beats are special and come dangerously close (but never actually do) to going 'out of phase' with the tune. MSV must have put in a lot of effort in getting that song recorded.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 61.1.195.50) on: Tue Dec 24 09:23:02 EST 2002
  
  By the way, what is the raga of thedi varum? Is it sivaranjani?
  
  
• From: sk (@ 61.1.195.50) on: Tue Dec 24 09:25:05 EST 2002
  
  SL:
  
  Can you send me an email?
  
  
• From: SL (@ 195.92.67.66) on: Wed Dec 25 07:50:29 EST 2002
  
  kp, very true. Could somebody post the link for 'ninaiththu pArkkirEn'.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Dec 25 09:16:04 EST 2002
  
  SL
  
  Is Oru aalyamagum mangai manthu in Gowri Manohari?
  
  Also the link and your views on "Ketathellam Naan tharuven" from "thikku theiryatha Kaatil".Prob around 1970s MSV moved to songs with more core Carnatic overtones with western rhythms.AFAI can recollect before 1970s "Muthukallo Kangal" in Brindavana saranga comes with a western Mambo rhythm."I will song for you" in absolute Karaharapriya with western beats around 1973.
  
  Also noticed the special ambience effect in "Sangamam"-Thannathaniyaga" by TKR.MSV adopted this style only in Amarakaviyam -Selvame ..in the charanams.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 195.92.67.71) on: Thu Dec 26 07:59:11 EST 2002
  
  OISG, maybe charukesi, it's grihabedam too. I have had the same confusion with 'malarE kurunji malarE'. The tune has GM written all over it in certain places and charukesi in some. Only MSV could answer the question :). 'kEttathellAm...' is a superb number....lot's of variations in several parts of the tune, just a wee bit intricate and this facet was to become a very important feature of his compositions. The tune has a 'saranga-ish' feel to it but not saranga :). I remember a classical sitar piece being placed in the interlude only for the charanam to revert to the raggae beat. Interestingly enough, the second stanza is more Indianised because tabla makes its entry. 'kAthal kAthal endru pEsa' in Dharmavathy is a classy composition. The tune is distinctly 'classical light' but the flute interludes are neither Indian nor Western, belonging to a genre that's its own. Another tune set to a raggae beat. The 'classical'ness returns at the end of the stanza. The present day composers could do well to listen to such numbers and learn what composition is all about. Did you give 'thEdi varum' a hear ?
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Thu Dec 26 13:35:11 EST 2002
  
  innA perusugaLA... manushana tension-paduththi vidaRInga :-)) kETTadhellAm kidaikkumA? ninaiththup pArkkiREn... i was trying to recollect the words yesterday... thanks :-))
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Dec 29 00:08:18 EST 2002
  
  SL
  
  I am not able to get the Dhool.com songs as it continues to show a runtime error.I am trying to get the song from my friends here.
  
  About the song "Kathal Raajiyam enadhu" from "Mannvan Vandhanadi" -a similar feel like "Kettathellam"
  
  Some inputs on SMS influence on MSV-TKR,MSV,TKR music is required.I feel SMS s Manippu has a more TKR feel.Also the CRS style in them..
  
  
• From: raja m (@ ) on: Mon Jan 6 16:40:24 EST 2003
  
  SL:
  
  Kettadhellam Naan Tharuven is a great tune - is it available anywhere on the web? (havent heard this for a long time)
  
  Also is Yaarum Illai Ingey Idam Idam.. (PS nd SBP) (not sure of the movie) from the same period?
  
  SBP and PS under MSV have sung some nice duets (One of my favourites is Kaadhal Vilayada and Odam Kadal from Kanmani Raja)
  
  These songs had a nice positive feel and SBP sounds so different and young..
  
  Just curious what OISG stands for :-) and who is the person behind this handle.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 202.54.66.89) on: Tue Jan 7 00:05:15 EST 2003
  
  My Fav of PS&SPB are
  1. YEdho oru nathiyil
  2. Iyarkai ennum
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Jan 7 00:19:25 EST 2003
  
  Instead of Nimirnthu nil song i got JPC s "thattungal thirakkapadum" song.MSV s experiments with western Jazz,Rock at its best.
  
  SL
  
  I wrote about S G R M pattern - I mentioned "Ore padal" from "Engiruntho Vanthal".Can you get some more S G R M songs from MSV.
  
  raja m
  
  Yarumillai from "Panathukkaga".MSV has this sudden and unusual pallavis ala "Kadhal Vilayada" which starts more like a charanam
  
  "Ange Varuvathu yaro"
  "Maranthey pochu"
  
  
  
  
• From: RR (@ ) on: Tue May 27 02:26:33 EDT 2003
  
  Another, somewhat unusual SP-PS number is :"Malligai Poo Vaangi Vanden" from Paal Kudam (?).
  RR
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Tue May 27 06:07:25 EDT 2003
  
  Paal kudam starred by the star-pair AVM Rajan and Pushpalatha (1969). I guess CL Aanandan also acted in that movie.
  
  Malligai poo vaangi vandhen, one of the early songs of SPB has his tender voice which can hear in "angam pudhu vidham" from Veettukku veedu with LRE, MandaveLiyile from Karunthel Kannayiram with Manorama, YaarOdum pesa koodadhu from Kaviya thalaivi with LRE, Thoduvadhenna thendralO from Sabadam etc etc... It will have the feminine shade also when he say "ha.." :-)
  
  Reg the Malligai poo, PS starts with Anbu nirai kaadhaliye azhagu malar poongodiye.. in a very low pitched kisikisu voice and goes up after the bit gets over... superb rendition :-)
  
  
• From: RR (@ 203.199.213.4) on: Tue May 27 22:43:45 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu: Thanks for the note on "Malligai Poo". I was trying to remember the tune for the charanam
  and your lines "Anbu Nirai.." immediately brought
  it to light.
  Another early SPB LRE song: Marande Pochu from Atthaiya Maamiya(?).
  RR
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.231) on: Tue May 27 23:48:34 EDT 2003
  
  RR, yes, Marandhe Pochu is from Athaiya Mamiya.
  
  Btw, the Kaviyathalaivi SPB-LRE duet is 'Aarambam indre aagattum'. 'Yaarodum pesakkodaathu' is a PBS-LRE duet from Ooty Varai Uravu (I think the song was not there in the film). Both pallavis sound similar, though!
  
  
• From: RR (@ 203.199.213.3) on: Wed May 28 01:04:51 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan, You are right on dot as usual. "Yarodum" is from OVU. Interestingly, there was a program in AIR once about songs that did not appear in the movie. Many were MSV/TKR
  and all of them were excellent songs: Thendral Varum (Paalum Pazhamum); Yaarodum(OVU);Nalvaazhvu
  Veettukku Veedu); Varalakshmi (Bagyalakshmi) and the masterpiece Mahaarajan (Karnan). And yes, Yaarodum and Aarambam are very similar tunes atleast in the pallavi. Speaking of Kaaviya Talaivi, there is very nice song sung by MSV
  (Neraana Nedunchalai)-very apt lyrics and music. I have not found this song mentioned in any of the TFM threads
  RR
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Wed May 28 03:56:38 EDT 2003
  
  another early SPB PS duet is " unnai thotta katru vandhu" from navagraham. Thangaikka too had a SPB song. I don't remember the songnow.
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Wed May 28 04:33:23 EDT 2003
  
  vengayam, "Unnai thotta" was an excellent duet, but pained the shoot team headed by KB.
  
  One of the few songs, where SPB just did only humming. Here, his tender and feminine shaded voice made the song so sexy. As usual, PS mayakkified :-)
  
  Some more on Navagraham:
  
  1. KB narrated his experince of directing the film Navagraham for around 8 weeks in Kumudham weekly mag, while the shoot was on. He mentioned that the lines of "un paadham thotta alaigaL en paadham thottadhu...nam iruvaraiyum ondru serkka paalam ittadhu" in beach. He waited for one "alai" to Lakshmi's feet and then reach Sivakumar legs too. Thus, KB with unusual imagination, wanted to show the "paalam" made of Alai. But they waited for hour and every take, there will be some mistake or the "alai" played the villain touching only Lakshmi and not Sivakumar. KB's narration was very enjoyable indeed !!!
  
  2. While the cast was being decided, Manorama wanted to play the role of "Akilandam" an she was really waiting for the hit. But it rumor floated that Nagesh interferred and recommended Ragini (Padmini's sister) to play the role. KB also convinced, it seems, thereby the split (Kaa vittachu) between Nagesh and Manorama began. Manorama said that she will act with as "Jodi" in any more new films and till date she keeps up her words :-((
  
  But to me, I really felt the absence of Manorama in that film, when I watched.
  
  3. Besides, PS, AL Raghavan and SPB as playback, there were songs (dialogue-ful) sung by the actors/actresses incl, Lakshmi, Muthuraman, Ragini, G Sakunthala, V. Gopalakrishnan, Major and other periya pattaLam :-)
  
  Vengayam, SPB did not sing in Thangaikkaga (you mean this film, right?). Hope am not incorrect. The songs that I remember in 'T' are Thaayin mugam ingu nizhaladudhu (PS), Ethayum thaanguven (TMS), VeLLikizhamai rathiri neram calcutthavil nadandadhu ondru (LRE), one female duet for V.Nirmala and her friends (PS+SJ??), Angamuththu (ALR)
  
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Wed May 28 04:36:27 EDT 2003
  
  Read it as "Manorama said that she will NOT act with Nagesh as "Jodi" in any more new films and till date she keeps up her words :-(("
  
  

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