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Karthikeyan Nagarajan | April 24, 2004 11:12 IST
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2004/apr/24rahman.htm
When I heard that the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra had asked A R Rahman to conduct two live concerts in March this year, I was very happy and proud as an Indian and a Tamilian.
Earlier, I had felt proud in 1993 when Ilayaraja had recorded his first classical orchestral work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. I was executive producer of that project.
It was Ilayaraja's first full-fledged classical work and it was recorded under the baton of John Scott. Unfortunately, Ilayaraja has still not released that work.
Hence to know that another composer from our midst has come to the world music arena was thrilling news. Rarely do musicians from our part of the world get such an opportunity.
But it was a big fiasco.
Rahman's popular film songs were converted into orchestral scores to be played by a classical symphony orchestra. They proved to be pale shadows of his original songs. And the predominantly Indian crowd did not appreciate them much.
It was obvious that not much thought had gone into the score. The objective should have been to retain the original melodic flavour suited to a symphony orchestra without electronic instruments and vocals.
Greater disappointment was his total non-preparation for conducting on stage. I consider that highly irresponsible. If Rahman thought conducting a symphony orchestra in concert was similar to a studio session, the people who risked allowing him to do it should be blamed.
I am surprised he has not fully understood the importance of the role of a conductor in a classical symphony orchestra.
Conducting is one of the most important aspects in a classical orchestra's live performance. People like Zubin Mehta have not become legends for nothing. Zubin is one of those rare talents who will conduct even the most difficult and complex symphonies like Mahler's 8th Symphony -- called the Symphony of a Thousand because Mahler's original debut concert required nearly 1,000 performers-musicians and choral groups -- without once referring to the score. Every bar of music is conducted from his memory, with total control and confidence of the orchestra.
As someone who has spent a lot of time on the UK music circuit over the last few years, I assumed Rahman would have done his homework and prepared the music as well as for his new role as conductor of a live concert, that too with a top-notch orchestra like the CBSO.
Rahman should have reminded himself that he was going to wield the baton of Sir Simon Rattle, who became CBSO conductor at 25 (in 1980) and made it one of the best orchestras in the world.
As a BBC reviewer wrote, "I cannot help feeling cheated by the concert. Though the orchestra were highly organised, Rahman seemed slightly uninterested to be there. Audience reactions were also mixed. The audiences were given opportunity to ask him questions to which he often replied with one-word answers. Rahman did conduct the orchestra for a short period, but later sat back with the audience and watched another conduct his music."
As with anywhere else in the West, most orchestras are going through a difficult time with dwindling concert attendances and slow music sales. Add to this the problem of population remix among local patrons.
By 2020, for example, Birmingham is tipped to become the first black majority city in UK. Now, its population is a mix of Asians, Africans and Chinese apart from the native whites.
Hence, orchestras are ready to try anything to bring people into the concert halls. And collaborations with musicians from Asia, titled Classic Asia, are part of the mission.
For the 84 year-old CBSO, it must have been a momentous, difficult decision. They took it because their survival depends on their ability to chart new paths.
With his exposure to the UK music industry through his collaboration with Andrew Lloyd Webber, it was not a surprise that Rahman got the project.
But his botching it up is.
I believe Rahman has not been able to transcend the barrier where his own singing and others are vital for his musical pieces. Obviously, there is an inability to compose music free of the composer/performer. He seems to have attempted something for which he is not yet ready intellectually.
In the end it was totally disappointing.
Rahman's confession -- "I messed it up. Will come next time with much more preparation" -- does not redeem him at all.
Karthikeyan Nagarajan is a Chennai-based software technologist.
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- From: Nattamai (@ 212.211.136.33)
on: Wed Apr 28 11:38:54 EDT 2004
Thamizhan:
-- A MD being passive to some comments which praised him a more than what he deserves
(or)
A MD showing his ego to Dirs,A MD who didn't even care to meet the Dir,who came to his house,jus t because that Dir used some other composer for his 'Breezy' film.
There is no reason to answer your claim. We all know and admit that IR has ego. Keep this Mozart Mustafa comment to the side. What will be your answer for sidelining Diamond Muthu? arr has his ego too, not very humble as he acts in the media.
C~P:
--Naatamai = Thundu
one more important equation you forgot
Mozart mustafa's Albums = hindi or tamil or chinese = Thundus
Ferrari:
--Mostly though, Rahman says he is doing more "orchestral, international" work.
What was he thinking when he said that he doesn't need 100+ orchestra? Or what is he THINKING NOW?
ambleen:
--Any one can explain what in Taal is Mozartian? And even if you can proof that, would u dare label him Mozart? Pls justify.
Webber 'Mozart Mustafa'-nnu mediala sonnathu ellam just for publicity and to sell his product. Nothing more than that. It's a marketing gimmick. If you ask more here, people will talk about toor dhaal since they are more comfortable with dhaal than this taal issue.
Have you listened to Taal properly? Is anyone shouting Mozart's name in the background? That might the reason for webber to say 'Mozart Mustafa'.
~sridhar:
--As far as I have seen till now, the only reason for the biased hatred of ARR is vaitherichal.
I think it is because he received more hype than what he actually deserved. His works (just 8 years from 92-2000) relied on his team and his talent, not by his talent alone. From 2000, his position has come down and now he gets what he deserves. Thanks to other mds SEL, HJ, YSR, VS etc. They prove a point!
- From: Jacky (@ 61.1.201.156)
on: Wed Apr 28 11:44:41 EDT 2004
haha ...Relentless effort to provide humor.
Sometimes its funny sometimes its stale.
- From: Nattamai (@ 212.211.136.33)
on: Wed Apr 28 11:54:13 EDT 2004
Jacky:
yes, the humor started when CBSO offered.
It reached higher level while it was happening. (Imagine the people inside the auditorium, nonthu noolaagi pogirippannuga)
Ant it reached its highest level when the above article came in rediff.
hahhahhaha :))
- From: jacky (@ 61.1.201.156)
on: Wed Apr 28 11:59:06 EDT 2004
The humor started the day you posted such meaningful posts :)
It reached a higher level when you were joined by your friends
And it reached its highest level when the above post came in newtfmpage.
Hehehehehe!
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Wed Apr 28 23:48:49 EDT 2004
Che..Anandka vikatan joke page thothudhu ponga..
- From: x (@ 15.219.201.69)
on: Thu Apr 29 04:14:47 EDT 2004
MADDY you r a perfect "Kenathu Thavalai"
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19)
on: Thu Apr 29 05:45:10 EDT 2004
Aahaa....Thamizhan ayya yaen ivalo serious-a postittu irukkaru? Enna dhaan sonnalum, adhey adhey!
Thamizhan,
Still no answer to the questions?
ARR = Mozart = Taal?
1/10 + 2/20 + 3/30 + . . . . . n
E = MC^2
(a+b)^2 = a^2 + b^2 + 2ab
En kaelvikkenna bathil, en paarvaikkenna porul?!
Talk me! :-)
Naatamai,
Ungala poruththa varaikkum sarvam thundu mayam. Ungal kannu munnadi irukkara thunda vilakki paartha ulagam theriyum!
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.91)
on: Thu Apr 29 05:53:49 EDT 2004
nalla thaan pesareenga. aana IR kku yen paa ippa nalla paatu frequency ippdi aniyaayathukku koranchu pochu?
80s la sachin maathiri avg pannitu irunthavaru ippa vanthuttu ravi shastri maathiri avg panraare paa ? not an ordinary dip this...athanaal thaan sachin and shastri vechi contrast pannen.
udane vanthuttu atheyum vaai koosaaam deny panni excuses kodukka venaam. calling IR's current music is as great as his 80s stuff is an insult to his 80s music. maybe IR is not signing any big banner movies nowadays. but that is not a reason enough to say why public do not look forward in any big manner to an upcoming IR release (except a obvious few TFM DFers)? why dont you guys realise the fact that IR is not an IR anymore (except in bits & pieces). It is so obvious that HCIRF(anatics) do not get a regular chance to appreciate his music in recent times and thats why you all of them go out of their way to search and find some fault in other MDs (sadistic pleasure!!!) . and the irony is more you do that, the more you find out that ARR fans are more in numbers. and all those guys in general get an impression about an IR fan that he is someone who lives in the past and who is not able to digest the fact that he isnt't the top MD is market anymore (like he used to be) and derive sadistic pleasure by posting some useless, idiotic commnets abt other MDs. There might be a few genuine IR fans here who consider you as a shame for the things that you post. So if you want, go on and pile the misery on those poor fellas.
going by the music that IR is churning out in recent days, it is so obvious for you guys for not to talk and compare IR's music with others. and the only choice left would be these things like ego, humility, why Mozart etc. I can undertsand the plight.
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.75)
on: Thu Apr 29 06:09:39 EDT 2004
http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/1300.13.39.45.html
hehe.. ithukkune yevano thread kooda aarambichi vechi irukaangayaa. romba nakkals paa namma aalungalukku.
- From: fmlover (@ 61.247.241.91)
on: Thu Apr 29 07:17:40 EDT 2004
Nattamai....
the wisest thing one can do is to ignore a person like you. But you are exceeding the limits and have really tested people's patience here.
lemme tell you this.....Illayaraja KNOWS how good he is...and how good his music is. Now, even if some foolish guy comes and tells him his music is not good...he is not going to care. COZ HE BELIEVES IN HIS OPINIONS. HE VALUES THEM A LOT AND HE IS CONFIDENT ABOUT THEM. HE BELIEVES IN THEM.
IF EVER you are 100 percent convinced that ARR aint good (or whatever) you wont be acting like one big time loser coming to every ARR forum and bashing him.....nattamai....you arent confident about your views. So, you keep coming to a ARR forum everytime, to see what others think about him..and post a reply to that. Everytime you post an anti-arr view, you expect a reply...and you bash that as well.
you are a BIG LOSER..the way you are acting. A confident man doesnt need to do this...
go bash arr in your own circuits...but why in a rahman forum??....why do u get bothered when people praise ARR too much, whether he deserves it or not??....
ur humour sux...ur logic sux..and ur place for posting views and ur attention seeking habit sux...you are a timid, loser with zero attitude...and a man without any self-esteem....if u did possess one, you wont be doing ur stuff...
now, dont prove to be a bigger moron by posting a reply to this....I wanted to ignore you for a long time...but you never seem to allow healthy discussions to take place. your views and opinions dont mean anything to me....but its irritating to view them in a forum started for different reasons.
GO GET A LIFE.....and SOME EGO AS WELL....every man should have EGO...not FALSE EGO.
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