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musical shifts of Mani, KB and Bharathiraja!

Topic started by Karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on Tue Aug 22 07:04:35 EDT 2000.
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Folks...

Maniratnam, K Balachander and Bharathiraja, all three biggie directors in tamil actually had a very fruitful association with IR. Except KB the other 2 actually started with IR. KB of course is an old hand and had a great innings with MSV.

Now Mani has worked only with 2 composers, IR and ARR. And contrary to media speculation he might not work with newcomer Dina, as he's rumored to work only for Mani's home production directed by his assistant azhagam perumal. So Mani goes on.

KB, has for now stopped movies and more into Tele serials. But he shifted to Maragadhamani (Keeravani in telugu and MM Kreem in hindi) with Azhagan and subsequently Jaadhi malli. Both of them had some really good music. Deva came in for one movie, Kalki and the music, for the first time in a KB movie was substandard (IMHO). Then KB went to ARR and came out with Duet, again with great music. KB stopped there!

Bharathiraja was the strange one. He opted for Ravi in Vedham Pudhithu, when even today lot of people think it was by Raja. The kannukkul nooru nilavu was a classic IR-like composition. I still am doubtful about the composer of VP, can anybody clarify once and for all?

Anyway, BR then shifted to IR for some movies, came to ARR for kizhakku cheemayile, karuthamma, anthimantharai, taj mahal. He had also tried vidyasagar for parambarai, which did have some good numbers. And of course Deva for tamizh selvan and now kadal pookkal. BTW, tamizh selvan had some good numbers by Deva.

Now the questions:

Why did these 3 directors leave Raja in the first place? What were their last movies with Raja? Mani's was Thalapathy, but the other 2??

All three worked with ARR, Mani (6 movies), KB (1) and BR (3). MR still does. KB is out of movies. So why is BR so unsure with his composers?

Would Mani and BR be back with IR to create magic again? (assuming that KB is into TV, fulltime)

Why did KB stop work with Maragadhamani? He was damn good after all in Azhagan and Jadhi Malli!! Similarly why did BR forget Vidyasagar who gave him more than decent music for Parambarai? (adi athi, thamara poovukkum)...does it have anything to do with all these 3 movies doing very average business?

Karthik

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Responses:

• From: s arun (@ 212.38.167.12) on: Tue Aug 22 18:56:28 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik,
  
  The MD for Vedam Pudhidhu was Devendran, an extremely talented man who I think was in Illayaraja's group for quite a while before moving out.
  I agree with you that almost all songs in that movie were excellent and IR-like. I wonder if anyone knows what happened to him after that.
  
  arun
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ 136.182.2.222) on: Tue Aug 22 19:50:03 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik,
  In the case of BR and KB, from the reports in the media, one gets the impression that an ego-clash or some such misunderstanding was the reason for the break in their partnership with IR.
  In the case of MR, I have'nt heard of such an issue, though it was probably a case of an indirect misunderstanding too.
  
  Take the case of KB. I have heard from people in this forum itself that trouble fomented during the making of "Pudhu pudhu arthangal" (this incidentally was the last movie directed by KB with IR's music). While some people said that KB was reportedly annoyed with the adulation that the music got as against the movie itself, some others said it was a problem related to the amount given to IR for the film. Apparently, Kavithalaya deprived IR of the promised amount repeatedly and things finally came to a head one fine day. But I have seen news items in mags like "Kumudham", etc. quoting KB as having said "En padangalukku IR isai thevaillai" , etc. BTW, their last (released) film together was Unnai cholli kutramillai (dir : Amirjaan).
  
  BR seems to have had a love-hate relationship with IR since IR fell out with VM. I remember having read a piece in Kalki magazine saying IR was approached for Vedham Pudhidhu and he objected to having VM write the lyrics, and that BR had to choose between the two of them and eventually chose VM instead of IR. He also chose Devendran as MD and reportedly demanded an IR-like score for the film (which probably explains the IR touch in all the songs !). BR came back to IR after a "finger-scorching" failure with Kodi parakkudhu (which had Hamsalekha as the MD - reportedly with Rajini's recommendation). The last film (as I know it) in that phase was a Telugu film titled "Jamathakui" (dubbed in Tamil as Naarkaali kanavugal, incidentally produced by VM !) They did three films together - En uyir thozhan (the title seeming rather apt for the reunion), Pudhu nellu..., and Naadodi thenral. (The last named had more than usual participation from IR - story, lyrics, etc.) What happened thereafter is not known, but BR switched back to Hamsalekha before jumping in the ARR bandwagon. I assume that Vidyasagar and Deva stepped in whenever ARR's dates were not available.
  
  MR's case as I said above seems less clear to me - some reports said there was an ego-clash between GV and IR that led to IR not teaming up with MR. Certain others said that since MR's next project Roja was produced by KB, IR would'nt touch it (as they had already broken up by then) and as ARR was discovered, MR chose to stick to him. Apparently, MR approached IR for Iruvar, but IR declined as MR was also keen on having VM in the scheme of things . Again, IR lost out to VM for reasons not known to me.
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 171.70.67.143) on: Tue Aug 22 20:02:51 EDT 2000
  
  Guys,
  Things seem to be very interesting.
  Please don't stop this thread.
  If concerned people get a chance to look at this, may be, any of these great guys may once again team up with IR.
  ALso, if VM-IR combo works out, then, some realignment might take place.
  Then, it's a treat for us to listen to some great music.
  
  sridhar.
  
  
• From: savukkadi singaram (@ 64.12.105.182) on: Tue Aug 22 21:25:15 EDT 2000
  
  Don't know how many of you guys remember this incidence. But its worth to
  share.
  
  That was a time when Bhagyaraj's Enga Chinna Raasa released. An full page
  Ad came in Dinathanthi for Kodiparakkathu stating "Super Star" Rajnikanth
  in Barathiraaja's Kodi parakkudhu, Music by Ilayaraja.
  
  That was the time where IR at his tight schedule, producers were standing
  in the Queue in front of IR's house to sign for their films. There was
  about 80 films in his row.
  
  Next day IR has given a statement in Dinakaran that he is not going to do
  music for Barathiraaja's movie, stating the reason they had put his name as
  MD without his knowledge. Addingly, he said he is not like prostitute that
  whenever some body wants him to use as per their wish. There should be some
  courtesy to get consent of him before they published like that.
  
  Cold war of IR and Vairamuthu also has started before this incidence(right
  after Kadalora Kavidhaigal), may be BR must have added some fuel into that.
  
  This is it.
  
  Barathiraaja took a vengance to bring down IR from his throne. He brought
  Hamsalekha to score that movie. Movie went flop. Again he started with
  Devendran(this guy supposed to be yet another Deva, he was pretending like
  IR and imitates IR in all aspects even in his dress code) for his Vedham
  pudhidhu, Audio Cassette was selling like anything even in its first day.
  Everybody in the film Industry thought Devendran will defenitely replace
  Raaja, fotunately that film also went utter flop.
  
  After few flops, BR realised to survive in the Industry, he drops VM and
  went to IR again. To show his greatfulness to IR he advertised the movie
  like this
  
  Barathirajavin
  En Uyir Thozhan
  Ilayaraja
  
  He didn't care about the result of the Movie, all he wanted to continue
  with IR. Their friendship continued upto Nadodi Thendral which was totally
  for dominated by IR.
  
  After that everybody knows how BR is running around Hamsalekha(Captain
  Magal), ARR, Vidhyasagar,ARR, Deva, ARR, Deva, etc., let us see how he is
  going to settle down.
  
  
  
  
• From: S (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Wed Aug 23 00:42:34 EDT 2000
  
  >>Cold war of IR and Vairamuthu also has started before this incidence(right
  after Kadalora Kavidhaigal)<<
  
  Did sattam come after K kavidaigaL ???
  
  bcos, i've heard that Raja and VM had some issues in the song "hEy unnaithAnE" for which vm had protested that the music was dominant over the lyrics (ilayavan, puli ivan type of lyric, that is :-)) ).
  
  I'm not sure i this was the first song where they had such dispute.
  
  
  
• From: NANBAN (@ 202.9.176.188) on: Wed Aug 23 03:32:06 EDT 2000
  
  GUYS!
  
  SEE ONE FUNNY THING!
  
  BHARATHIRAJA: HE START WITH RAJA CAME UP WITH HIM AS ONE OF
  THE BEST DIRECTOR IN TAMILNADU.BUT ONCE HE OPTED OUT OF IR HE FIND HIS CAREER IN FALL
  NOW HE IS ALMOST ZERO AS A DIRECTOR. BHAGYARAJ:HE GAVE HIS BEST "MUNTHANAI MUDICHU"
  WITH IR.NOW HE IS NOT WITH IR AND UPS! HE IS NO WHERE IN THE INDUSTRY. K.BALACHANDAR:HE
  WAS WITH MSV INITIALLY AND SWITCH TO IR. BUT SEE WHEN HE CHANGED FROM MSV TO IR, HIS
  MARKET AND POTENTIAL INCREASED.AND HE WAS THE BEST IN TAMIL AT THE TIME.THE MOMENT HE
  OPT OUT FROM IR FROM "PUTHU PUTHU ARTHANGAL", IT WAS THE LAST SUCCESSFUL MOVIE OF HIS
  TIME.(EVEN ITS NOT THAT MUCH SUCCESS AS HE HAD THE PROB. WITH IR DURING THE TIME :)))
  MANIRATNAM: PAGAL NILAVU:(IR)HE STARTS HERE.MOVIE IS OK IN BOX OFFICE. ITHAYAKOVIL :(IR)
  JUST OK.NO DOWN FALLS MOUNA RAGAM: (IR)HE STARTS HIS IMPRESSION NAYAGAN:(IR) NOW ONE
  OF THE BEST IN TAMIL. GEETHANJALI:(IR) NOW HE IS THE MOST VALUABLE DIRECTOR OVER SOUTH.
  AGNI NATCHTHIRAM:(IR) A TREND SETTER NOW! THALABATHI: (IR) UPS! EVEN RAJINI IS LONGING TO
  WORK WITH HIM. ANJALI:(IR) GETTING POPULAR OVER NORTH ALSO. NOW,AFTER HE DEPARTS FROM
  IR ROJA : (ARR)MARKET IS STILL STEADY. BOMBAY:(ARR)RUNS OK BECAUSE OF THE CONTRO. THEME
  OF THE FILM IRUVAR :(ARR) A SUPER FLOP UYERE :(ARR) A SUPER FLOP. ALAI PAYUTHE:(ARR) UPS! A
  BREATHING TIME AGAIN! KATHIR:HE WAS OK WITH ITHAYAM(ITS A GOOD RUN IN BOX OFFICE
  ALSO)BUT AFTERWARDS.....NO HIT,ULAVAN,KADHAL DESAM,KADHALAR DINAM... ALL FLOP. WHY?
  WHY GUYS EVERYONE DEPARTS FROM IR, FINDING A DOWNFALL? TELL ME.
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.78.82) on: Wed Aug 23 05:03:44 EDT 2000
  
  All before 1992 (Black&White):
  We consider it as bad history.
  It (may be conspiracy??) could be due to overpopularity of IR which makes the trio (MayB not MR) envy IR and bring him down from the throne. Especially BR, who came to Madras together with IR's time...who could not digest the fame IR have been enjoying while his (BR's) performance degrades. As for MR, he always seems to appreciate IR's intelligent/genius even after Talaphaty's incident. Same goes to IR's perception on MR's ability..but who pulls the string..KB's idea??? GOD know better. Vairamuthu may played a part in this "conspiracy" backed by BR's undivided support to his MahaKaithai(s).
  
  You see, BR is not a stable man. He said in speech all great things about TAJMAHAL in its audio cassete itself. But today, after the GRAND failure of the movie, he blames himself for the failure indicating Manoj and ARR have done their best.
  
  
  
  Today, 2000 (Color):
  
  To be continued tommorow!!
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 206.49.110.156) on: Wed Aug 23 05:08:00 EDT 2000
  
  According to my memory,
  
  1) After the initial breakup, and IR met somewhere near Azhiyar Dam (Pollachi?) and announced their teaming
  up again in En Uyir Thozhan. It came in the press, with an embraced IR and BR, IR giving an apple to BR
  or vice versa (I dont remember).
  
  2nd time, BR broke with IR because BR changed the climax/story of Nadodi Thendral without IR's consent.
  In fact, the story, lyrics and music was by IR. I think the climax was changed to a happy ending after the
  film's release in most of the theatres.
  
  2) KB had a fight with IR over the re-recording of Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal. IR was unduly pressurised for doing
  the RR due to the nearing of release date which he couldn't do, due to his very busy schedule. Hence KB
  broke with IR and went ahead with having a patchwork of BGMs from his earlier films (Punnagai Mannan, etc)
  for PPA. One can notice this from BGM of PPA clearly.
  
  3) MR was refrained from working with IR by GV, due to the treatment meted out to IR during the launch function
  of Neenga Nalla Irukkanum, by JJ's security. MR as such, didnt have any tussle with IR. In fact, he was
  all praise for IR's bubbling enthu even after doing 500 films like Anjali, Dalapathy etc. He mentioned this
  during an interview with AV while releasing Iruvar.
  
  Any other versions?
  
  

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