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How would have ARR backers promoted him if.....

Topic started by Raj (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on Tue Jun 16 19:39:38 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Let's say that the following albums Ilayaraaja had produced in 97-98 were labeled as done by ARR:

India 24 Hrs
Guru
Devadhai
Raman Abdullah
Punniyavathi
Kadhalukku Mariyadhai
Annan
Kizhakum Merkum
Veera Thalatu
Kavalaipadathe Sagodhara
Poonthottam
Dharma

Imagine how the media and the other ARR promoters would have gone wild and potrayed him as God if he did such quality music within a span of few months.

Maybe Sony would have asked him to grow his hair to his feet.

Maybe the top 10 lists created to promote his music would be top25 list with all these songs in the list forever.

Maybe these promoters will be at their wits ends because this will be the first time they would have had so much material (both quality and quantity) to work with.

Just imagine what would happen if ARR had real talent!

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Responses:

• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jun 16 20:13:16 EDT 1998
  
  Raj:
  
  Ah! hA! arumaiyaana topic! (You forgot to add this..
  'let's say MD for Jeans was IR' etc. :-))
  
  But frankly, don't you think people are very tired
  right now? I suggest that you restart this thread after
  about ten days when "both" sides have sufficiently rested
  and return rejuvenated for another battle.
  Then we can all join together and have fun again
  by insanely beating each other to pieces! :-))
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 248.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Tue Jun 16 23:31:30 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Raj
  
  AYOPAVAM ! Raja nilma
  Avar senchata ARR senchatha sona ....!, siva siva
  HIRPC ungla kizichiduvanga..
  (Hard core raja Prarthanai club)
  As sathya says you should have waited for 10 days
  No gas in me or anyone..to fight AR vs IR..once agin.
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
• From: reasoning (@ proxy1.emirates.net.ae) on: Wed Jun 17 03:39:44 EDT 1998
  
  srkanth i ll take over the fight! cause im fresh but only for a few days cause im going to india then!!!
  to whoever started this ridiculous topic
  what those films by arr!!! do you think sony music would ever use arr after listening to those songs. my god then arr would definitly not even be asked again even if he was the last man on earth! what makes you think that arr would produce low quality music as those films(exception KM)
  
  
• From: buddy (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Jun 17 04:24:51 EDT 1998
  
  Reasoning,
  
  People like u and sony r not the one to decide whether the above movies music were of low quality or not.
  
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Jun 17 05:07:07 EDT 1998
  
  Raj:
  
  At the end of the day, it appears that you are
  achieving what you wanted! Like Naradhar in
  the movie Saraswathi Sabatham, you can now sing..
  
  kalviyaa selvamaa veeramaa
  raajaavaa rehmaanaa MSV-yaa
  
  
  
• From: reasoning (@ 194.170.2.5) on: Wed Jun 17 06:59:41 EDT 1998
  
  hey buddy, i know truth hurts but chill down , it is low quality music, guy/ gal ( i dun know) arr can produce music enjoyable for all class, all age group and so on, u will never like him if you listen in a biased mood, thats how crictics feel towards him, arr has disproved critics, thriving and thrashing the the so called great ir!
  and if it is not me to decide is it u? what do u know? nothin! u brain is filled with ir ir ir ir is great but it is not ir who is great it is arr
  
  
• From: Don't want to get killed by IR fans (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Jun 17 08:02:27 EDT 1998
  
  Of the list produced by Raj, the only two albums which show some class are Kadhalukku Mariyadhai and Poonthotam, the others are SPOILT by IR's HORRIBLE renditions of what may be good songs, but most people, except die-hard fans don't bother giving a listen to them. Even KM and Poonthotam have IR singing some nice songs, which are not done JUSTICE to at all. When there are so many singers who can sing to SHRUTHI and have decent voices, even ARR, forgetting about his pronounciation, can sing in tune, without going OFF PITCH and sounding terrible. I haven't heard the Malayala selection in Raj's list, but I know for a fact that IR produces much classier music for the Keralites. I don't see why he compromises on quality for the Tamilians and goes on producing the bad stuff he did in Veera Thalatu for example. Why can't he go back and listen to some of his excellent compositions like the songs in NILALHAL, Sindhubairavhi e.t.c.Thant bis my question to you die-hard fans. As someone quite rightly mentioned, if the above albums were presented to Sony, they'd THROW them out in one go. SORRY TO UPSET MOST OF YOY TFMmers. Have you noticed that when people sepak of IR, they only talk of his old work. Not one person has particularly commended his new stuff, except KM and I feel this too was mainly due to the hype and picturisations, as it was done origanally in Malayalam anyway. If he wants to give real competition to ARR, he should FIGHT back with something like SIRACHALAI, which was a class album.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed Jun 17 08:27:16 EDT 1998
  
  You taked about VeeraThalatu for example... Have you listened to kadhai Pole and ala Pirandha songs. I havent seen such melodious simple songs composed recently. Then take the song "Ala marathu Kiliye" from Annan - a great intelligent composition.. ask ARR to even attempt such a beauty...Take "Thiruvonam" song in Kavalipadathe Sagodhara..an very intelligent composition...the list goes on and on. But if these songs are for Rajkiran and Pandiyarajan it is too low class for the media and some of those phony ARR backers to support..the point is if you take pure quality of music..the innovation, creativity and the intelligence of composition and orchestration (the main aspects of a music directors job), the songs from these movies are a class above the rest.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks7d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 08:33:43 EDT 1998
  
  Reasoning:
  I'm willing to take up the challenge. Please explain why ARR is great and IR is not. And...before you start take some tips from your gurunaathar Srikanth. Last time round, he proved that ARR was a Sound Engineer par exellence. Unfortunately, he still hasn't explained why or how ARR's music is better. If anything, he has only accepted that IR is a better musician while ARR is a better Technician. And if I am not mistaken, you appear to be a reincarnation of Junior (whose Caps Lock key was stuck permanently last time). Of course, you can correct me if I am wrong.
  
  Srikanth:
  For some fresh comments from me, please go and take a look at "is ARR going down and is IR coming back" thread.
  
  
• From: samuthAyam (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jun 17 09:29:01 EDT 1998
  
  Raj:
  
  Thank god! ARR didn't score music for those
  listed low-quality movies (except KM, Csalai, Guru - all others are close to Deva range with an exception
  that they are NOT copied but ORIGINALS)
  (what difference it makes - junk is a junk)
  
  I enjoyed your comment about ARR growing hair....
  (well IR can't do that either, can he ??)
  
  IR is now like MSVof 80s.
  
  ARR is like IR of 80s (not to that level but he is
  making progress slowly & steadily)
  
  Deva is like VEDHA of 60s and SG of 80s.
  
  makkaL are always makkaL with an attitude
  "pazayan kazithalum puthiyana varuthalum - samuthAyathin niyathi"
  
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Wed Jun 17 10:03:02 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Srinath :
  I gave you a email regarding this.
  I dont want to fight for ARR or IR.
  you are not going to agree. I am not going to agree.
  Musically : I will have few :
  -- This was mentioned by Sridhar ..
  When a song is set to a scale - say E - the first chord will be often E, TFM mds tondruthotu they followed this. Including Raja ,
  Thuliyele , Nila ahtu - Blindly you can say it is EMinor, bflat major Aminor..
  But in AR songs he starts of always with a unconventional chord regardless of scale - this is found more in Jazz.
  eg VM (porale pon score)
  Regarding the Voice harmony tell me a raja song which has a good harmony for the voice (his string arrangement have them)
  All Arr songs have a harmony like back street boys or like Boyz to men or any western rock group.
  Trying new =
  Manamadurai - a real fusion between E~spaniol and Tamil village folk - u cannot deny it.
  (instead of talking about this - you guys were worried saying it is lifted from Gloria estp~on - only )
  
  --Finally for now
  there no Amma songs packed with Raja's (great) voice which is forced by Raja in all the movies., (sometimes - lyrics also)
  I am fed up with his voice...
  Ulukulla chakravarthy, Maratha vechavan
  all are of them are of same tune with diff. lyrics!
  I will post more...
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Wed Jun 17 10:05:36 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  It is not bflat it is B
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks10d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 10:25:32 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth:
  I maintain - "different does not always mean good". I personally enjoy the Em, B, Am combination. There is a better flow and the song makes sense where the situation is concerned. Also, the lyrics are better expressed when the singer is able to breathe in natural rythmn to the song. For example, "Oh ! Butterfly" - 'Nerungumbodhu aga padaamal parandhu pogiraay. Nizhalai pola thodarum yennai marandhu pogiraay...'. As You might have noticed the Chord Progression is pathetically predictable. The melody itself seems to be a derivative of the Chords...as if IR put the chords first and then painted a tune over them. BUT...if IR had tried experimenting with the chords here, the meaning of this beautiful song might not have registered at all. This complementing of lyrics with his music is an inimitable trademark of all IR songs. I wish I had my guitar with me...I could show you so many other authentic examples :-( .This is definitely a drawback with ARR, not an advantage. Where special chords can be used, IR has never failed to use them. For example, the beginning chords of "Raaja, Raaja Chozhan" - a variation of C, I am not sure which chord exactly...darn my memory :( (would be glad if you could jog my memory :-)). And the chords of "Konji, Konji.." Your favourite E scale with all variations possible. What more do you want ?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks10d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 10:41:59 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth:
  You said, "Regarding the Voice harmony tell me a raja song which has a good harmony" - ever heard of "Ennulle, Ennulle...", "Anjali, Anjali..", "April, Mayile..", "Das, Das, Chinnappa Das, Das..", "Adi Aathadi.." ? If you are willing to consider humming then I can mention another half a dozen songs right off the top of my head. Again, voice harmony is not something that always sounds good. I remember, while playing for culturals during my college days, we used parts for "Pon Maane Theduthe". This was always a big hit with the judges. If we college students could do it, do you think IR was incapable of doing it ? There could have been umpteen dozen reasons. The situation could have demanded a solo number, sometimes the tune itself sounds better only when sung singly. And for the information of all DFers listening to ARR mahimai on harmony, let me tell you this - the simpler the tune, the easier and more graceful is the harmony. ARR puts the simplest of tunes and as a result is able to incorporate a lot of voice harmony into them. When the tunes get more and more complex, it is the note combination that forms the back-bone of the song - voice harmony would be out of place there. When your tunes lack structure, you tend to prop them up with gimmicks, like using voice harmony. What say you, Srikanth sir? :-)
  p.s: I haven't received your email yet. Did you send it to jsrinath@hotmail.com ?
  
  

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