Topic started by Srikanth (@ cerberus.ppiptc.com) on Tue Jan 5 11:30:37 EST 1999.
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Arr interview : comments on Raja, check it out.
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- From: Srikanth (@ cerberus.ppiptc.com)
on: Wed Jan 6 14:47:44 EST 1999
Why should everyone ask about IR to ARR, first of all who is he to judge him. He is on the other side of contest. Secondly I dont blame ARr for this answer..as srinath says (even i feel the same) Arr has different opinion on IR (I have heard what they talk about IR in ARR quaters), here he tried to be humble.,there it ends.
I feel the reporter should not ask the same old question. They should ask about plus point (if any) of ARR,
also who knows the validity of this interview, 75% of the interviews are written by the reporters themselves.
Shanmugam : I got what you want to say, good thoughts.
Srikanth
- From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com)
on: Wed Jan 6 15:35:46 EST 1999
ARR is a highly sucessful professional in the Industry and it's wrong to expect him to glorify IR in every interview.. just because IR is a senior , genius or his ex-employer .? And equally true is the fact that IR does'nt need any praises from ARR and others.
Worse thing is these reporters should stop asking such silly questions.. it's like asking an actress whether they like Kamal or Rajini. The intention is to try to sqeeze something out of their mouth to make sensational news.. That's all !!
The reporter could have asked more about his music.
Better questions would have been :
1. Why do u make singers kill tamil.?
2. Why do u always have the same formula./ algorithmic songs ?
3. Insite of 1. & 2 , how are u able to deliver smashing hits.?? ;-))
Cheers
MSK
- From: Srikanth (@ cerberus.ppiptc.com)
on: Wed Jan 6 15:52:44 EST 1999
Hi Msk,
good thoughts, How many times IR had spoken about MSV,KVM or any of the seniors for that matter.
As far as I know - nothing.
Srikanth
- From: suren (@ webcache11p.cache.pol.co.uk)
on: Wed Jan 6 15:59:20 EST 1999
You must be a kid Srikanth
- From: Raj (@ pdxss902.pdx.intel.com)
on: Wed Jan 6 19:57:36 EST 1999
IR has spoken a million times about MSV/KVM/SD Burman and others. He infact said once he is just going in the path that MSV had laid. What more do you want? Not that bcos of this, all IR juniors should praise him. But your accusation was contrary to facts.
- From: vj (@ varden.chemengr.ucsb.edu)
on: Wed Jan 6 22:51:09 EST 1999
vijay,
true .. true ... quality generally transcends 'time frames'... but is that a NECESSARY virtue of Quality?
I dont think so ...
When we listen to mozart or IR whose compositions done decades ago still make us ride waves,
our aural responses arent 'practically' influenced by the fact that they are decades old... it doesnt matter if the Mozart piece was done fifteen years back , is still in sale and people hear it...
(though it is one of my beliefs that it is almost 'fashionable' and emotionally satisfying (its called "nostalgic commiseration") to associate with the 'cultural output' of the previous generation of artistes among the 'discerning lot'... my Maami says ... IRala MSV maari poda mudiyathu and my Thatha (the Carnatic connoiseur)
says .. MSV kitsched/impurified carnatic music!)
now, you will accuse X of composing a piece A that if you listen to 50 times loses what it gave you initially .... so that isnt quality...why?
when it made you reach heights and explore depths in yourself for some time, why even ONCE, why even for a moment, it GIVES quality!!!
after all what does one want, to be 'ELEVATED'
(for lack of a better word)
a personal example ... thendral vanthu theendum pothu is considered here to be a 'quality' song...
i have been listening to it for quite some time but one day, last month suddenly i lost myself and in the song and felt waves... moving in me... (rhetorical, eh?)
and after that every time i listen to it i do enjoy it but ... there have been times when I didnt like it at all(!) .... so longevity can never reflect quality well enough.
I am not willing to admit that just because the Sound of Music is still seen world-wide by all even now makes it 'quality'-worth ...there is another term for it .. "CLASSIC"
anyday i would stick with Mahanadi which I have seen three times til now and wont want to see it again.... thats "CLASSY"!
well, a delta/spike of high intensity is good enough for me .... !
vj
- From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.37.84)
on: Thu Jan 7 00:30:34 EST 1999
There is nobody can became as popurar as IR.This interview is just like as a proof.AR already know that nobody can challenge IR in musical world.So all of you must understand this one.
- From: Suresh (@ bellbird.qut.edu.au)
on: Thu Jan 7 00:36:40 EST 1999
Srikanth
Sorry, "as far as you know" is really not too far. IR has mentioned countless times about MSV, worked with MSV even when he was down. again, u are way off the mark with the rest; IR has manytimes acknowedged about not just SD, but RD, Naushad et al.
"I have heard what they talk about IR in ARR quarters" - oh, man, what a shame! what are we supposed to do? hang our heads in shame that the HQ of world-music has some -ve buzz going on IR?
i know for one that people like sivamani still have the greatest regard for IR despite working closely with ARR. so who's the rest of the supremely-knowledgeable ARR quarters?
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.63)
on: Thu Jan 7 02:30:32 EST 1999
vj,
i'll make myself clear. i did'nt say transcending time frames is a necessary virtue of quality. i said that IMO, quality transcends time frames in general. also the definition of quality with regards a song in my point of view, includes the longevity of a song. u can also call it as 'classic' if u want to. if iam not able to hear a song for the 50th time then i feel something is missing from the song that is preventing me from listening to it so.
i might have listened to may such songs for the first few times becaise it might have sounded different. i listened even to petta rap quite often because i thought it was different. but 'different' according to me does'nt mean quality.
longevity is something that cannot be expressed using technical terms.something in that song makes u listen to it again and again. i consider that 'something' to be one of the parameters for defining the quality of a song.
after all, each own has his own parameters for judging the quality of a song. and my way of doing it might be a bit different from the others.
- From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Thu Jan 7 03:57:33 EST 1999
Srikanth,
If u listen to the introduction of the album "thai moogAmbigai "(featuring janani janani),Raja says "aNNan M S Viswanathan ,uLLamuruga pAdi ennai anbOdu Aseervadhithadhai nAn perumayAga karudhugirEn"
Cud anyone be humbler than the Meastro ????
BTW, has ur MSV talked about GR or Sudarsanam before ??? :-)))
- From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com)
on: Thu Jan 7 04:44:59 EST 1999
Suresh,
Good response to Srikanth's statement which irked me a bit too. If I were Srikanth, I would tell my opinion of IR directly instead of using indirect references. Thats really not nice.
But I have to say that these kind of reporters are stupid. I am pretty sure they do not know much about music and/or music appreciation.
Anyways, it is my impression that ARR thinks that he is good/great. He is kind of happy with his successs. Though this might be deservingly so I would go with IR's attitude of - I have not achieved much I have more things to do. This attitude helps you to reach further heights.
Also, I can also vouch for the fact that IR gives enough credit to MSV. Praise for a deserving fellow/senior artists will only show your sense of security/confidence in yourself.
- From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com)
on: Thu Jan 7 04:53:49 EST 1999
I was listening to a song from 'Karagaattakkaran' yesterday. 'pAttAlE buddhi sonnAr, pAttalE bhakti sonnAr' sung by IR. It sounds very biographical to me. IR sounds very detached about his work. In the end he says he sold these works (pAdugalai) as songs (pAttkkalAi). He mentions, 'adhu nallavaiyA, kettavaiyA nAn aRiyEn'.
Was this written by IR himself ?
Its almost a pity that he is being compared to ARR on his humility/sense of credit-giving/justice.
We should leave IR alone (by also not bothering ARR with questions like this). avar characterE vEranga !!! I feel too simple and humble to be judgemental about a guy like that !!
- From: Srikanth (@ 1cust254.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net)
on: Thu Jan 7 08:06:05 EST 1999
Frankly all you did not get what I meant, why the heck you take just one line and talk the samething. Did you bother to read my other lines!,
Secondly, I have heard lot of people talk politics about IR in many studios around madras.
I did not mean any musicians, all of them are somewhat royal to Raja, there are many like recording assistants etc, who talk such non-senses. Since I have heard it first hand I posted it, there is nothing to be ashamed about it, also it is not ARR's fault or my fault.
Suresh & Kiruba: I am not afraid to talk about IR, I have always expressed my opinion directly.
IR has mentioned about MSV only in the audio tapes etc. but he has not spoken about in interviews. We all know how he talks in an interview, suthama yarukum poriyadhu.
Once again the essence of the topic is lost and going toward IR vanadam and ofcourse a personal attack.
Srikanth
- From: Raj (@ pdxss902.pdx.intel.com)
on: Thu Jan 7 13:41:05 EST 1999
This is an interesting logic. Is talking in audio
tapes completely fake? I have seen IR praise MSV
directly in live music programmes. Does that count? Your accusation was blatant and you expect
others to not respond. I read your other lines but
don't think they conveed anything different. Ur intention seems to drag people into discussion and then claim nobody understands u bcos u are in a different league and it is your fate you have to deal with music illiterates. Just because we are listing some facts is it called IR vandhanam? This is not a personal attack. In future, if you expect noone to stand up to your accusations and state some facts, please say so in your posting. I always feel irritated when people sincerely say something and you come up with a ridiculous statement like we do IR vandanam.
- From: Srikanth (@ cerberus.ppiptc.com)
on: Thu Jan 7 14:33:45 EST 1999
Raj:
You did not get what I meant,
#1: who is ARr to decide Raja is a genius etc.
This is what I actually want to ask. MSK also put some valid questions to ask Arr.
I also meant I really do not belive that ARR bothers about Raja or any other MD for that matter. He has already passed a poor comment about MSV sometime ago,
since the questions was asked he tried to be humble, there it ends.
Few have posted my statements have irked them, tell me which one - saying ARR is humble or just enquiring about Raja's interviews or asking about Raja's interview qualities.
Srikanth
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