Topic started by Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on Mon Sep 14 13:55:31 EDT 1998.
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Hi,
I want to list out "Dabba Songs" of Raja.
This will prove even Raja has composed "Dabba songs". I have huge list, which I will adding soon.
Velai Eadum Illamal Benchil Irukum
Srikanth
Responses:
- From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com)
on: Mon Sep 14 14:34:04 EDT 1998
Please define a "dabba song" or give boundaries.
- From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com)
on: Mon Sep 14 15:19:39 EDT 1998
Dabba songs: Poor Quality of music, which is a ( great)flop, sung by poor singers, shurthi loses, timing losses.
(Kadamaiku music composing)
Srikanth
- From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Tue Sep 15 06:39:39 EDT 1998
srikanth,
flop musically or commercially???
if u call it musically flop please substatiate when u list the songs and define what u really mean by musically flop (apart from shruthi and time losses )
- From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com)
on: Tue Sep 15 10:43:47 EDT 1998
Awaiting raja's dabba songs.
- From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com)
on: Tue Sep 15 12:07:00 EDT 1998
Anand: Whenever I post a topic You ask Sarcastic questions, First you asked me what is dabba songs?
As if you dont know!,
now you are waiting for those songs.
this is not a quiz! or an interview,This is supposed to be a discussion.
Many RamaRajan,Rajkiran songs which Raja composed fall under Dabba songs, these were mostly sung by Raja.I know people out there know those songs, they are not ready to post.
If no one is wnats to or dares to discuss-I am out from here, I kindly request Ravi to kill this topic.
Srikanth
- From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com)
on: Tue Sep 15 13:02:49 EDT 1998
hey srikanth,
I was'nt trying to be sarcastic.I was just trying to get to the boundaries of dabba and was awaiting your list.
I was interested in your perception.I did'nt mean to affront you.Take it easy boy!!
I think we can continue this thread if someone has a list.
For starters I would say most of the songs of "Paatu vadhiyar" *ing Ramesh Arvind.I was so terrified at those numbers by IR except "Azhgana manjapura" .
Guess its a 95 movie.
- From: IRfan (@ gw4.awo.com)
on: Tue Sep 15 14:54:36 EDT 1998
Anand Mahadevan:
Azhagana manjapura is a song in "Ellame en raasathan" starring Rajkiran and sangeetha. If you are talking about the same song then IMO, the lyrics are good.
The first few lines of this song are:
azhagaana manjapura adhan kooda maadupura
piriyaadha jodipura azhiyaadha anandha paattukkal
aandaandu kaalamai vaazhum anbukku arthangal koorum...(azhagaana...)
And few other songs from this movie are good too.
They are:
1. oru sandhana kaattukkulle by SJ and IR
2. veenaikku veenai kunju naadhathin naadha pinju by IR
3. And of course, azhagaana manjapura is an excellent number by SJ and Mano
- From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com)
on: Tue Sep 15 14:58:05 EDT 1998
I stand corrected.Thanks for the info.Guess I had it wrong.
- From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.37.74)
on: Wed Sep 16 02:02:43 EDT 1998
There is no dabba song by our IR.All song which one compose by IR are hits.
- From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Wed Sep 16 02:51:18 EDT 1998
come on S.P.Mahendran, don't take such a "vaankozhi" stance. there are some terrible songs of IR, which are unbearable. for eg, all the songs in maharasan (*ing kamal , banupriya) are very poor. songs in thendral varum theru are also lousy. IR has shown an indifferent attitude in several films, which we cannot ignore. a recent example is the dappanguthu song in poonthottam(i don't remember the lyrics).
- From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ fast.fast.de)
on: Wed Sep 16 04:35:03 EDT 1998
Balaji,
I think you are referring to the song 'ponnumaNi ponnumaNi pORALE' in pUnthOttam. Yes, a horrible song. I wonder how IR could allow those lyrics praising him unnecessarily, that too in such a lousy song.
G.Ramaswamy
- From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-74.il.us.ibm.net)
on: Wed Sep 16 08:23:01 EDT 1998
Hi Guys,
I thought not to post here after a few big verbal attacks on me, By our friends Shanker and Swami
(Swami asked me same old question - what thaguthi
I have to talk about Raja)
"There is no dabba song by our IR.All song
composed by IR are hits."
But the above statement makes me to post something. 50% of IR songs are of poor quality
songs, come to the reality please.
In the movie called "elame Raza" - nothing but a documentry on Raja,he sung most of the songs - he took undue advantage of his position.
There are many occasions like this.
Srikanth
- From: srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-74.il.us.ibm.net)
on: Wed Sep 16 08:45:17 EDT 1998
Anand: Sorry for misunderstanding your question.
Srikanth
- From: G.Suresh (@ begis50.swift.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 09:27:00 EDT 1998
Some one has mentioned songs in 'PAttu Vadhiyaar' as dabba, Come on guys there are two great numbers in this movie 'Nee thaane...' and 'Vanna nilavai Neela kuilai' , similarly songs in Rajkiran movies and Ramarajan movies , All these movies were nothing but songs with out which they would not been a hit, 'kuil Paattu' from en Rasavin manasilae All songs in aranmanai killi and our famous trouser movies karakkattaKaran,enga Ooru Pattukaran have hit songs, So I DONT AGREE THE GENERIC STATEMENT IR SONGS FOR RAJAKIRAN AND RAMARAJAN MOVIES ARE DABBA
- From: junior (@ 194.170.168.94)
on: Wed Sep 16 09:34:12 EDT 1998
all of ir songs for the past 5 years except(ennai thalata varuvallo) the only reason for including this song is because it was commercially and musically a hit
- From: Meendum_enlightened (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 10:09:01 EDT 1998
Oh really! Thanks again.
- From: Podhum Podhum (@ webgate0.mot.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 10:30:21 EDT 1998
C'mon guys, this topic is pointless. You are not going to get anyone to agree on anything. Personal tastes, likes and preferences are what quantify a song a 'dabba' or otherwise. If SPM feels that all IR songs are good, it is his perogative, as is somebody elses perogative to call all IR songs dabba. What purpose is this topic going to serve, except perhaps incite the old IR-ARR war????
- From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu)
on: Wed Sep 16 13:18:49 EDT 1998
Any person with an iota of musical sense and taste (IMHO) cannot say that ALL IR's compositions in the past 5 years are dabba! Come on, listen to "avatharam", "nammoora mandaara hoove", "Guru", "Kaalapani",... - some of IR's very best is in this period. I have no go other than branding such a person as an Anti-IR fanatic!!!
- From: Srinivas (@ scproxy3.sc.intel.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 13:45:13 EDT 1998
HI,
ARR fanatics seem to be carrying their fanaticism a bit too far, by making sweeping stmts which do not have any semblance of truth. I have seen a lot of people complaining about IR fanaticism. The reason why IR fans vehemently support IR is this : Some people are taking advantage of the fact that IR is no longer as commercially succesful as he was before and making INSULTING remarks. It is one thing to support your favorite MD and quite another to make baseless , pointless and vindictive remarks.
If you observe closely, most of the so called "IR fanatics" listen to ARR songs and give him due attention and respect. If they criticise ARR, it is because a particular album is bad/ a particular song is not suitable. It would be totally incorrect for anyone (even an IR fanatic) to say that ARR is not talented or ALL ARR songs over the past one year are bad etc. We should learn to respect the greatness of an artiste and desist from making insulting remarks, just to lend support for our point of view.
- From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu)
on: Wed Sep 16 14:00:10 EDT 1998
Well said, Srinivas.
- From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 14:09:42 EDT 1998
Ravi - I kindly request to kill this thread, I regret very much that I started this dam thread,
Ir fans : If I have troubled you guys too much, I am Sorry!..
Srinivas:
Thanks for supporting my priciples,
Live and let live.
Srikanth
- From: IRfan (@ gw4.awo.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 14:14:10 EDT 1998
Balaji:
There is one good song in "Maharaasan" - "ada raakkozhi koovum neram". It has very good orchestration.
To All:
Come'on guys, it looks like everyone is trying to point out that "all dappankkuthu songs" are dabba songs. I too listened to "Ponnumani Ponnumani poraale" and it is no different than "Ottakkara marimuthu oodakkaara marimuthi" or from "machi mannaru en manasukkulla bezaru". There should be clear line drawn to differentiate from a good song to a so-called "Dabba" song!
- From: kiruba (@ slipper.watcom.on.ca)
on: Wed Sep 16 16:08:27 EDT 1998
yow..yaaravathu ellam dappanguththu songsaiyum 'dabbannu' sonna enakku kOvam vanthudum ..aamam..
en music systemla oru 150W Acurus amp pOtta piragu indha pattungala irukkira bass ennama reala irukku theriyuma.. roadla erangi ..vettiya madichukattikkinu thunda thalaiyila kattikinnu dance adanum pOla irukkuthu theriyuma !!
(I am trying some madras baashai here :-))
Well, getting serious, I think IR believes music is just a permutation, combination. He feels he is just generating these things. If we like it, it is fine if not he does not care. Atleast this is my interpretation of IRs philosophy. I maybe wrong and he maybe wrong with his attitude. But why bother he has enough output that are really superlative.
Take it easy guys. After all its music. Its for our enjoyment it is not like religion or something to fight over (well..even religion is not something to fight over .just trying to convey a point)
- From: Swapna (@ spider-wd082.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 16:30:19 EDT 1998
Take it easy guys. After all its music. Its for our enjoyment it is not like religion or something to fight over (well..even religion is not something to fight over .just trying to convey a point)
well said, kiruba! IR rasigai swapna
- From: Srinath (@ 206-93-59.ipt.aol.com)
on: Wed Sep 16 20:54:36 EDT 1998
kiruba:
Another eminently enjoyable 'dabba' song of IR is "Oororama aathupakkam thennanthopu". I am sure it wouldn't impress any of today's teens (hard to imagine I was a teenager when this decade began !). I've played the bass guitar for this song in several culturals - again it used to be appreciated for its fast beats and funny lyrics rather than the composition itself. Often the 'punch' is delivered by the bass and I've enjoyed playing it for this song. Unfortunately, people prefer to appreciate the bass(?) in songs like 'Kuluvalile' and 'Kadhalikkum Pennin Kaigal' nowadays. Irony is, ARR was responsible for making the bass popular. If you haven't tried it before, try listening to these songs on your music system and compare them with any IR number. You'll understand why I hate ARR's music. Dabba songs ? Try 'Sorgame Enrallum' for size and again listen to the bass - this is one of IR's so-so numbers - I assure you, you'll be astonished by this man's 'average' performance. Every single song of IR's has a bass score that ARR (or any other Indian MD) cannot even dream of emulating. I know some people would claim 'Anjali, Anjali, Pushpanjali' as having a good bass score. But I do not think so - it has a wandering, inconsistent bass that is ill-structured and ineffective. If you are wondering why I am writing only about the bass guitar - that's the area where I have had maximum exposure and I can state with full confidence that IR is supreme. As an interesting point, IR's brother-in-law is supposed to have played the bass guitar for a majority of his songs. This reminds me of another interesting news - long ago I was speaking to a senior bass guitarist who was telling me that he had a recording later in the day with Deva ! When I queried him about the recording he told me that Deva would sit at his harmonium and compose the tune and the intrumentalists would 'put' the pieces ! He explained saying that he would actually be composing the bass ! Gosh ! Tell me, why should I appreciate these phonies ? And compare them with IR ?
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