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Karthikeyan Nagarajan | April 24, 2004 11:12 IST
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2004/apr/24rahman.htm
When I heard that the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra had asked A R Rahman to conduct two live concerts in March this year, I was very happy and proud as an Indian and a Tamilian.
Earlier, I had felt proud in 1993 when Ilayaraja had recorded his first classical orchestral work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. I was executive producer of that project.
It was Ilayaraja's first full-fledged classical work and it was recorded under the baton of John Scott. Unfortunately, Ilayaraja has still not released that work.
Hence to know that another composer from our midst has come to the world music arena was thrilling news. Rarely do musicians from our part of the world get such an opportunity.
But it was a big fiasco.
Rahman's popular film songs were converted into orchestral scores to be played by a classical symphony orchestra. They proved to be pale shadows of his original songs. And the predominantly Indian crowd did not appreciate them much.
It was obvious that not much thought had gone into the score. The objective should have been to retain the original melodic flavour suited to a symphony orchestra without electronic instruments and vocals.
Greater disappointment was his total non-preparation for conducting on stage. I consider that highly irresponsible. If Rahman thought conducting a symphony orchestra in concert was similar to a studio session, the people who risked allowing him to do it should be blamed.
I am surprised he has not fully understood the importance of the role of a conductor in a classical symphony orchestra.
Conducting is one of the most important aspects in a classical orchestra's live performance. People like Zubin Mehta have not become legends for nothing. Zubin is one of those rare talents who will conduct even the most difficult and complex symphonies like Mahler's 8th Symphony -- called the Symphony of a Thousand because Mahler's original debut concert required nearly 1,000 performers-musicians and choral groups -- without once referring to the score. Every bar of music is conducted from his memory, with total control and confidence of the orchestra.
As someone who has spent a lot of time on the UK music circuit over the last few years, I assumed Rahman would have done his homework and prepared the music as well as for his new role as conductor of a live concert, that too with a top-notch orchestra like the CBSO.
Rahman should have reminded himself that he was going to wield the baton of Sir Simon Rattle, who became CBSO conductor at 25 (in 1980) and made it one of the best orchestras in the world.
As a BBC reviewer wrote, "I cannot help feeling cheated by the concert. Though the orchestra were highly organised, Rahman seemed slightly uninterested to be there. Audience reactions were also mixed. The audiences were given opportunity to ask him questions to which he often replied with one-word answers. Rahman did conduct the orchestra for a short period, but later sat back with the audience and watched another conduct his music."
As with anywhere else in the West, most orchestras are going through a difficult time with dwindling concert attendances and slow music sales. Add to this the problem of population remix among local patrons.
By 2020, for example, Birmingham is tipped to become the first black majority city in UK. Now, its population is a mix of Asians, Africans and Chinese apart from the native whites.
Hence, orchestras are ready to try anything to bring people into the concert halls. And collaborations with musicians from Asia, titled Classic Asia, are part of the mission.
For the 84 year-old CBSO, it must have been a momentous, difficult decision. They took it because their survival depends on their ability to chart new paths.
With his exposure to the UK music industry through his collaboration with Andrew Lloyd Webber, it was not a surprise that Rahman got the project.
But his botching it up is.
I believe Rahman has not been able to transcend the barrier where his own singing and others are vital for his musical pieces. Obviously, there is an inability to compose music free of the composer/performer. He seems to have attempted something for which he is not yet ready intellectually.
In the end it was totally disappointing.
Rahman's confession -- "I messed it up. Will come next time with much more preparation" -- does not redeem him at all.
Karthikeyan Nagarajan is a Chennai-based software technologist.
Responses:
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- From: ~sridhar (@ 203.145.186.2)
on: Tue Apr 27 02:31:24 EDT 2004
>>just being a pop song mixer and arranger
well this statement alone proves pretty much your "knowledge" of music. If thats all you think about ARR, I can only feel pity for you. Paavaaam!
"Endha maadhri kadavul idhu! Ipdi patta janmangalaiyum indha ulagathile nadakka vitturkkaaru!" :(
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Apr 27 02:54:58 EDT 2004
adhu sari. solluruthai sollittu odulamnu ninaithingulla?
Now answer my post plz.
it's a matter of time before sambar podi and f1 and more software nuances come in to deviate to just escape their embarrassment.
let's see who has the guts.
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Apr 27 02:55:50 EDT 2004
~sridhar. Idhukku ellam edhuku respond pannitu irukeenga?
Appuram ellarum vandhu nammala dhana thituvanga. That we are venting out anger and frustartion at other peoples MD's etc etc. vittu thallungapaa.
Ooruku oru nyayam, ARR fans kku oru nyayam.
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Apr 27 02:57:57 EDT 2004
Sorry sir. Ferrari is very fast and you cant compete with it. Naanga yaarum odi poga maatom.
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Apr 27 03:09:17 EDT 2004
Dear ambaleen,
As a good friend I suggest that you should have elaneer and neer mor frequently. Vaitherichal kurayaradhukku idhu nalla vazhi..
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.91)
on: Tue Apr 27 03:13:22 EDT 2004
"I am sure that no MD would like to want to be in his position. He is a gone case buddy, other guys are doing atleast something!"
Wow, how much i wish to be a goner to get my music to be on top of the charts everytime my album gets released. Wow, how much i wish to be a goner to compose Boys, Meenaxi, AE...
And others are doing something ? oh yeah, doing the catching-up thing. all the best to them. we'd love to hear some quality music from them also. and btw, Kovil, Ethiri, Perazhagan, Gilli - these are the the catchin-up stuff that came from Others recently and the less we talk abt them , the better :-))
"He might have explained what caused the British tabloids to address him in such a fashion rather than just saying "Taal set the standards. " - He might have...but he didn't. "
Now, between british tabloids and him , he is asking you guys to trust him, the complete music encyclopedia. Well, yeah yeah..go on mate. Folks know whom to trust pretty much and everybody just knows the stats from music sales and collections. Oops..I am sorry, Aren't those music sales made up stuff by ARR fans to show off. yeah, i forgot. lucky to have you guys who make us know what is fact and what is not.
But the statement which made my day was ...
'I have a feeling that ARR is very scared now with the 'advent' of HJ, YSR, Imman, VS and wat not.'
Wow !! this guy rocks. This one deserves a full page cartoon in Aa.Vi !!!
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Apr 27 03:30:58 EDT 2004
Maverick, Ferrari, etc,
try harder. (it doesn't even tackle 1/10 of what i mentioned)
- From: ~sridhar (@ 203.145.186.2)
on: Tue Apr 27 03:45:22 EDT 2004
"It was a question asked and he expressed his happiness."
Q1:By equating ARR=Mozart=Taal????
Ans1: Yes.
"But even this is a humble statement in comparison to what Sridhar pointed out."
Q2:Ithu eppadi sar? You claim not to have seen the ARR interview but you give all the benefit of
doubts to ARR by saying all the above.
Ans2: Ithu epdina..there have been countless instances of IR caressing his ego out in the open.
Adhaan avar namburaaru.
Q3:And yet now you are using somebody else's quote on IR and using against IR's benefit? So you have proven again...the type of ppl u r....
Ans3: Though this is more of a rhetoric, unga sandoshathirkaaga answer panraen - Yes.
Q4:quality worth mentioning?...what quality and by whose standard?
Ans4: idhukkellaama oru CMM, ISO standarda veppaanga.humility and accepting one's fault is a good quality by normal moral standards. adhellam ungalukku epdi therinjirkapordhu.
All this talk about humility, humble statement, no ego....we didn't see that when he was compared
to Mozart. Q5:Why didn't he deny this rubbish?
Ans5: Becaause..it is NOT rubbish.
And this guy, not even being a composer(for goodness sakes!) and just being a pop song mixer and
arranger, still dares to acknowledge shamelessly that he is Mozart.
Q6:What more?
Ans6: idhu enna kaelviyo. aanalum naan badhal kuduppaen. ungalukku edhu venum?
i) neer more
ii) cricket coach Dave Whatmore
iii) More milagai
iv) Yeh Dil Maange More
v) Demi/Dudley/Roger/Julianne Moore
...others can fill in their answers.
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Unga "Now answer my post plz." satisfy pannittaena?
if i have overlooked any questions, that is not your fault. it is solely because i was having a good time laughing at the stupidity of the post. adhule miss pannirpaen.
so..mistake pannikaadheenga.
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.67)
on: Tue Apr 27 03:51:27 EDT 2004
ambleen
You try harder. None of what you talked here doesnt make sense. if you got energy left, start from scratch again.
ivaru appdiye answer paaper thiruthraaram mark kodukkarthukku. you dont even seem to get off the mark. still 0/10. go home and listen to some Imaan's chartbusters and relax !!!! probably, that'd make Imaan happy.
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.201.116)
on: Tue Apr 27 03:54:08 EDT 2004
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From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Mon Apr 26 06:26:49 EDT 2004
"Mistake senja public-a oththukka manasu vaenum"
do begger's have option?
From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19) on: Mon Apr 26 06:27:24 EDT 2004
Ferrari,
Kaathu varudha? Munnadiye adhaan Nothing But Wind-nu sollikittu irundhaangalo?? //
Both the posts are in bad tastes..please...
First of all,Mr.Ambleen try to be sensible,you act like a saddist,deriving much pleasure from a man's(from your country)'mess up' overseas,and you dig all those interviews,ask Qs abt ARR's humbleness and ridicule him as pop-singer-mixer....this one is the dumbest thing i have heard...you are filled with prejudices.Its abvious that Rahman relied on rhythmic beats,but that was all to capture those youth mindlessly gyrating for Dr.Alban and Martin stuff..sadly Rahman's such tunes popularised him a lot(dir's expected such tunes to make their movies run),that at one time became ARR's address....those pop cultured juveniles wanted to hear 'Muqabla laila' and 'Urvasi' and dutifully ignored 'Ennavale' in it,this is in no way ARR's mistake.U always have a 'en veetu thotathil' as alternative when you hear 'Chikku bukku rayile',u have an 'Adhisayam' when u hear 'Columbus'.Don't complain that whole world is dark jus by closing your eyes.
And ARR fans ridiculing IR is another thing to be avoided.He is a legend,a Maestro.And C~P's staement was definetely pathetic..please avoid such remarks Ir remains still fresh even after his exhaustive scores,when todays young chaps struggle without consistency(ARR is not in this list,i rate him in the pedestal of IR,both did full justice to the generations they were)...
(but one can understand it as an aftermath of Ambleen's moronish descriptions of ARR as beggar)
Please be more objective..in your haste to idealise your idols you tend to stoop to such levels of making statements like 'ARR fearing for HJ (?????????)' stuff.None can take on the world without real stuff,throw your prejudices and act with objectivity and sensibility.
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