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Tamil film industry is more of HYPE than substance

Topic started by Khandekar (@ 203.197.129.33) on Mon Jun 21 17:10:09 EDT 1999.
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Tamil film industry is more of hype than substance.Sivaji is touted as a great actor when he is more of overacting than of any real acting.
Rajinikanth is regarded as a superstar.What he does is a few gimmicks!and Illayaraja is considered a genius!when he is nowhere compared to SD and RD Burman.Tamil film industry has to get away with hype and look for some substance.

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• From: Rajni_Fan a.k.a. SM (@ pmnat01-p14.sgum.mci.com) on: Sun Jul 4 12:36:56 EDT 1999
  
  Forumla innoru manushana, let alone a super star, "tharudhalai"nnu ezhudhuravangaLukkum IR pathi pesara yoghyadhai kidayaadhu; yaara pathi pesaradhukkum yoghyadhai kidayaadhu.
  
  
• From: eskimo (@ 202.54.71.155) on: Mon Jul 5 05:25:14 EDT 1999
  
  `tharudhalai'nnu sonnavarudaiya `yoghyadhai'... enna SM sir, romba sooda irukkeengale, cool down pls...:-))
  
  
• From: SM (@ pmnat01-p24.sgum.mci.com) on: Mon Jul 5 14:17:26 EDT 1999
  
  eskimo@eden,
  
  soodaallam illai. 'yoghyadhai' appadingira vaarthai naduvula vandhadhinaaladhaan appadi ezhudhinen. I understand I shouldn't discuss this in this thread. Sorry for the digression.
  
  
• From: Mani (@ spider-wg014.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 10 11:39:48 EDT 1999
  
  I think a real good actor who always plays a villain is Anandaraj, u know, the bad guy in Baashha who tied up Rajni and beat him with a club, I might sound crazy, but he is an awesome actor. The last movie I saw him was in Maanickam, he played his role excellent, TWO THUMBS UP FOR ANANDARAJ!
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.174) on: Mon Jul 12 06:23:16 EDT 1999
  
  Madhan,
  I Thoroughly enjoyed your posting.
  
  When Kandhekar says:
  "While IR was a pioneer as far as TFM is concerned,SDB was a pioneer of indian film music itself."
  
  I fail to understand how. Has he composed in all Indian languages and reigned supreme everywhere?
  IMO, it's the typical Northener mentality, to associate anything 'Hindi' as equivalant to Indian.
  For them Indian Classical music is Hindustani style.
  Indian Pop Music: Hindi Songs
  Indian films are Hindi films.
  Indian Folk Music: Punjabi
  Indian Dance: Kathak
  India's greatest actor: AB
  India's best lyricist: Javed Akhtar
  Indian TV channel: Zee
  India's best comedian: Mehmood (who isn't 1/4th Nagesh, IMO.. duplicates can never beat their originals, right?)
  Indian Epic: Ramayan, Mahabharat (Note the truncation)
  Indian Temple: Vaishno Devi
  Indian Folk Music: Punjabi
  Indian Dance: Kathak
  
  The list is endless... have you seen the dress-code of our representatives at International events like the Olympics or Asiad?
  
  I am a great fan of SDBurman and Madan Mohan, and to some extent RDB (though in the latter half of his career he plagiarised a lot). But my point is, to glorify one, you don't need to bring down anotehr. IR is in a different league altogether. Agreed, IR hasn't contributed much to HFM (he chose to do that), but to confine him to TFM alone only shows your ignorance, Mr.Khandekar. Ask any Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam music buff.
  If SDB is a national pioneer, then ask the common man in any of the regional states who's SDB?
  You know the answer. And it's the same answer you'd get if you ask about IR in say, Maharashtra. (Perhaps the Mangeshkar sisters and Anand Milinds are the only people who'd acknowledge his existence, albeit reluctantly.)
  
  I am a little curios...Could you please tell us how many songs of IRs you have listened to?
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.139) on: Mon Jul 12 08:05:26 EDT 1999
  
  Neels!
  Khandekar dhan, paavam, `aalai vittappodhum'nu irukkar. Neenga en marupadiyum avarai izhukkarenga? (His last posting is on 26th June!)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.196) on: Mon Jul 12 11:37:23 EDT 1999
  
  Neels,
  Khandekar thaan matha ellaraiyum izhuthu vittar, with his first posting!! and he is yet to come up with an argument as far as IR is concerned! he is talking mainly about tamil films
  for which he should have posted this in the forum hub.
  
  
• From: SitaRam (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Mon Jul 12 11:40:46 EDT 1999
  
  Neels, what you say is sadly the truth all over India even in places like Karnataka. I know a lot of my school friends in Madras who were a little upper class and did not care for anything Tamizh, they were admirers of anything non south Indian. It is just not Khandekar.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.61) on: Mon Jul 12 12:35:18 EDT 1999
  
  Neels and Sitaram,
  
  Leave alone films /cinema - everything that is S.Indian in nature is looked down upon condescendingly. A few years back, a N.Indian friend of mine (even though I hate / despise using the term N.Indian, since I basically am for an egalitarian approach towards anything /everything in life, I am being forced to use the term due to the constant annoyance I have been subjected to ) argued with me about the "backwardness" of eating 'idlis' and using bare hands to extract juice from tamarind for rasam and eating with bare hands !! How ridiculous !!
  
  I found it real tough to convince about idlis sterile cleanliness etc ---)))
  
  Another family friend of us had come home two years back and he commented that he found Carnatic music very funny !! tell me how many of us ever go to our friend's place/s to tell them how funny their language/music etc.is ?!
  
  Anyway, forget it !! "Naai vaalai nimirthhuvadhu romba kashtam" - "A dog's tail can never be straightened"
  
  I should also agree that the fault lies partly with us for secluding ourselves from the rest - but in comparison to the condescending attitude of the 'others', our attitude diminishes in magnitude.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Mon Jul 12 14:40:14 EDT 1999
  
  Madhan,
  
  My sentiments exactly. But, to some extent we have to send a message to the southies who suck up to northies. My pet peeve is why invite less than ordinary singers like Sukhwinder, Udit Narayan, Ila Arun to render (horribly) thamizh songs. I am all for even a formal protest to the concerned parties - MD, Director, Producer as the case may be. Don't get me wrong - if it is a superb talent, then I am all for importing it. But when you do it merely for gimmick value, you send the wrong message all over. First, these "singers" think they are gods gift to TFM. Second, you are telling the Chitra, Swarnalatha, Sujatha's of the world that TFM has double standards.
  
  Another point. I think Hariharan's Hindi pronunciation/accent is pretty darn good and definitely better than his thamizh. Yet, he is singing a lot in thamizh but virtually non-existent in the HFM market. I am convinced that this is because he is a "Madraasi". Frankly, I find anything about contemporary Hindi Films boring BUT at the same time, pissed by the laurels showered on Hindi stuff.
  
  kObaththudan
  
  RajaG
  
  
• From: hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Mon Jul 12 16:56:36 EDT 1999
  
  rajag,
  I also wonder lot of times, why hariharan sing too few songs in hindi. But I think, it is because the way things work there. In HFM, you have to constantly promote yourself, it takes everything like backstabbing, kaka, begging to get offers, and IMO, hariharan's skin is not made for that stuff. Also, sadly hariharan failed to identify his voice with any leading actors there, the way Udit narayanan, or Kumar sanu did. It is no secret that, talent is not the recognized word in HFM in any time, and this things were part of HFM right from old days, where as in TFM, People co-existed with out indulging in any cock-fighting for a long time.
  
  To like it or not, except TN, and kerela, Hindi music is very popular in all other places. I know so many of friends from andra, karnataka, prefer hindi music to their regional songs. They readily accept the lack of quality in hindi music. But IMO, we can not deny that hindi music with all that repeativiness and hallowness, still is very catchy and easy on ears, and easily hummable than regional songs including tamil to some extent.
  What ever may be the talent level of current HFM Mds, but they are able to provide it to the masses.
  Even a hardcore fan of TFM here, who give importance to quality and melody, would have enjoyed few hindi songs in his life time, where as same can not be said about any hard core HFM fans, who honestly tried to listen to any regional songs. It is funny that, quality is not always the winner, and that is very true for Hindi Music.
  
  e.hari
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.196) on: Mon Jul 12 17:16:56 EDT 1999
  
  rajaG,
  u said it once again;) the point which u said holds true not only for TFM singers but also for actresses. i did'nt like the fact that IR used ila arun for KK and shankar mahadevan for the 'chituu parakuthu' song in nilave mugam kaatu. his voice cannot suit karthik even in the wildest dreams. the song is a nice dappanguthu based on keeravani and could have been rendered well by SPB. But the bottomline is gimmicks sell well, atleast right now in TFM.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Mon Jul 12 17:46:48 EDT 1999
  
  The relatively lesser presence of HH in HFM could be largely due to the non-experimental nature of MDs there. It was ARR who promoted saadana sargam, jaswinder singh, hema sardesai, sukhwinder and such "new" artists, who are supposedly north-indian. ARR used Shwetha in Rangeela. It took a south indian MD to discover the hidden talent in north and tell the whole nation about them. HFM MDs do not experiment much with music as well as artists. Though they can boast of catering to a larger segment geographically, they havent brought out the best in artists.
  
  HFM MDs are relatively less creative and lack the experimenting skills and "guts" that TFM MDs have. We should feel proud of having MDs in TFM who educate the north audience about the hidden talents/artists in their own region.
  
  Lets face it. South indian audience have better music tastes/sense than the northis. Thats evident from the musical knowledge an average south indian possesses, the music they appreciate, and their tolerance/appreciation for music from all over the world. North indian audience have been deprived of good music, and they have got soo used to medocrity over the years that they throw blind ears to good music now!
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Mon Jul 12 19:42:47 EDT 1999
  
  Hari,
  
  Too many times, just too many times we have tried to give intelligent, logical explanations to blatant prejudicial/ignorant acts. Northies have a mental block for any language south of the Deccan as sounding harsh. Ditto for "South Indian Music". In fact, a lot of them have 'discovered' non-existent neravals and gamakams even in light/film music.
  
  I have lived long enough with pOdhum endra manam...., adakkam amraruL...etc, etc, and "our knowledge that we are better fans". Somebody needs to make a statement. Do you think I am jealous for the sake of IR, MSV, Vidyasagar, etc, etc, while witnessing the success of mediocrity like Daler Mehndi, Nadeem Shravan, Anu Malik etc, etc? YOU BET!!!
  
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ abd2a870.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Jul 12 20:07:56 EDT 1999
  
  rajag,
  Northies are predujuced, yes, I have come across lot of them. But my point is, even a person like me, who dont have high regards for hindi music, can't stop enjoying some songs. I dont want to pat myself ( or ourselves), that we are open minded and we are good music listeners.
  If any northies started harassing me that NS or anumalik or even older MDS are great ( I know few friends hold RDB as the greatest MD), I know how to handle them, they are like frogs in a well.
  But at the same time, I can readily accept that some of the hindi songs are very catchy, and they are enjoyable to hum and listen. What ever the reason, hindi music sounds universal all over india, where as regional songs are not, and except ARR, no one tried to bridge that gap.
  What make me sad is, all this non entities can come up with all india hits, why our talented MDS, when they attempted, failed to deliver. When Uttam singh can come up with such a easy but catchy tunes, why his master IR could not come up with some thing similiar?.
  I dont know whether it is the language or just the music form ( hindustani vs carnatic), there is
  a wide difference between minds of MDS here and hindi.
  As I told you, quality is not always the winner, and It also makes me sad to see our much talented people never got recognized, when people, you mentioned and few others getting all the undeserved accoldes.
  
  e.hari
  p.s Anyone listen to the hindi version of 'kadal ennum' from kadhal kottai,in the movie sirf tum. Even a local music troupe in madras can reproduce that song much better, and the real story is sirftum is musically hit movie for NS.
  Ellam namma kastha kallam.
  
  
  

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