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Will A.R.Rahman Come Back to NO 1??

Topic started by dinesh (@ 210.186.43.76) on Mon Mar 31 10:12:57 EST 2003.
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Will arrahman be no 1 with udhaya & boys??plzzz discuss it here...

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• From: Pam (@ 202.51.148.250) on: Mon Mar 31 11:11:55 EST 2003
  
  "Will A.R.Rahman Come Back to NO 1??"
  He still is the no 1 right? he hasn't lost his place IMO.....
  
  
• From: vij_iyer (@ 219.65.108.143) on: Mon Mar 31 11:18:59 EST 2003
  
  he's already no 1 da... hey, u must be stupid to poll in such a way.. rahman's music is in a diff spectrum.. he's been in box office for a decade and it mean nothing to him now.. the position tfm etc etc.. he's always giving gud music and one md who doesn't stop experimenting with fusion of a motley of stuff...
  he's somewhere compared to these local commercial md's.. he'll be some where after his hollywood assignments..watch out!! and the latest from panchathan is... he's giving his best shot for 5 movies releasing this yr.... meenaxi, boys, mani's untitled hindi movie, netaji, tehzeeb!!!!!
  
  all these are highly experimental!! and he is caring a damn about his place in tfm.. it just means for a gud product for him at the end!!!
  
  rahman is way ahead and pls stop blabbering mr.dinesh and also i have been finding silly comparisons with hj,ysr etc etc in u'r quotes even arr himself embarassed for such a flattery..
  
  pls support rahman as well not harming the younger new md's...
  
  grow up dinesh/jeansdi!!!!
  
  
• From: sivaraj (@ 212.138.47.14) on: Mon Mar 31 11:55:08 EST 2003
  
  ofcourse you are correct, the only md can give music on different taste with high professionlism is RAHMAN. HIS EXPERIMENTS ARE NEVER FAILED.
  
  
• From: blind (@ 130.63.236.220) on: Mon Mar 31 12:40:05 EST 2003
  
  HE FAILED ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!1
  
  
• From: ktrajan (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Mon Mar 31 17:17:42 EST 2003
  
  Yah.He already gone frome the race.
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.123) on: Mon Mar 31 23:00:11 EST 2003
  
  mind ur words my friend...dun ever called people stupid without knowing that person properly...
  
  
• From: Fan (@ 65.176.168.69) on: Tue Apr 1 01:28:26 EST 2003
  
  If Rahman can be around for another 29 years one way or the other, it will be good for TFM. He seems to have gathered lots of experiences that can be inspiring for new generation of composers
  
  
• From: x (@ 156.153.254.42) on: Tue Apr 1 02:17:52 EST 2003
  
  WHEN WAS HE NO. 1 BY THE WAY?
  AGAIN????
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.47) on: Tue Apr 1 02:58:56 EST 2003
  
  he was no 1 for past 9 years u blur A_S_S!!
  
  
• From: KUDU (@ 202.142.83.37) on: Tue Apr 1 04:32:45 EST 2003
  
  dinesh @ss hole. whats wrong with u? arr was no.1 . is no.1 and will be no.1
  
  EAST OR WEST ARR IS THE BEST
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 202.54.40.210) on: Tue Apr 1 04:47:15 EST 2003
  
  Dinesh :)
  You started the thread. And you heaping obscenities on every postor here? :)
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.25.12) on: Tue Apr 1 04:53:21 EST 2003
  
  appo, north-leyum, south-leyum yaarapa?
  
  
• From: STONE COLD (@ 210.186.78.36) on: Tue Apr 1 05:23:45 EST 2003
  
  What?
  HE IS NO-1......
  
  
• From: PRIYAN (@ 139.134.64.153) on: Tue Apr 1 06:12:32 EST 2003
  
  Who else is number one then? Deva, oh god
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.181.237) on: Tue Apr 1 11:29:38 EST 2003
  
  Fan,
  athu enna kanakku 29yrs?! :) .... tryin to round it off or wat??!!
  
  Prabhu,
  good that u havent got into any mess here! ;) .... btw ur rite ... i just realised that dinesh has started this thread! :)
  
  
• From: ktrajan (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Tue Apr 1 16:58:52 EST 2003
  
  Now no body is No1 now.After alaipayuthe and kandukondein kandukondein ARR did not give any super hit.Time will tell who is No1.We have to wait and see.
  
  
• From: reverse rahman analog (@ 65.176.168.195) on: Tue Apr 1 23:03:48 EST 2003
  
  yenda intha number 1 business. oorkaaya appalama number 1? sollu kannu. Dear Dinesh, don't be anxious anymore. Major Sunderrajan is also gone. Nobody can sing the duet" Antha naal nyabagam, nenjile vanthathu nanbane" now u sing engey nimmadhi
  
  
• From: pennathur (@ 12.46.179.254) on: Fri Apr 4 16:45:28 EST 2003
  
  This is not an invitation to flamethrowing but a request to consider things calmly. MSV vs. IR vs. ARR creation of melody, harmony and sound. MSV belongs to an earlier era and what strikes you most about his creations is their mettin azhuttam. The melodies are sprung from his creative core and the tunes compel you to go back and listen to them for their inherent depth. This especially when you listen to the few songs that he has himself sung - they are the best examples of his output. Take "jagamE chandiram sugamE mandiram" in NinaithAlE inikkum or "ikkaraikku akkarai pachE" (where's that song on dhool?) "sollathan ninaikkiren" or the only(?) song he has sung in Malayalam for "PaNi teerada Veedu". some of his best numbers have been in remakes of popular Hindi movies where he has had to provide an entirely fresh set of melodies for an audience that associates the theme and plot with a very poular set of melodies. MSV excelled himself in "Sivakamiyin selvan" with "Inbatthilum Tunbatthilum sirithidu magaLE" where he scored a number which was every bit as poignant and memorable as Sachinda's song in "Aradhana". These days no one does that. ARR compsed movies are dubbed or remade into Hindi merely to give his already poular songs a fresh run of the market. IR has tuned songs for a few Hindi movies where he has used his Tamil melodies or even taken them out of context - the Sadma Suresh Wadkar number took a maruppiravi in the Rajni-Madhavi starred "Tambi Uurukku pudusu" (Hamsalekha composed a fresh set of numbers for the Kannada remake of this movie). IR seems to have changed the earlier practice of fresh composing when he started composing for the remake as well. Take "Turpe Vellu Railu" Telugu remake of "Kizhakke pOgum Railu" where SPB has scored some awesome numbers including the little known gem "Ko ante Ko ante Ko Ko).
  
  That brings us back to the subject of compositional objectives. For MSV the melody has always been the core of his work. Even later on when his orchestration began to falter his melodies never did. However in those days caught up as we were in IR's symphonic deluge many of us like me ignored MSV's rock solid melodic lines. But now with the benefit of time when you turn back to listen to IR and MSV from the same time you will find some very solid MSV melodies with some prettty mediocre IR tunes - Please note this is a comparison of IR to MSV not IR to me! . Take the NandalAlA number from "Simla Special" which despite its lousy orchestration sounds exactly like a stage song or "VanDina vanDidAn idu VanDidAn" from "MELa tALangaL" which you feel like going back to listen to over and over again. In contrast take some of IR's compositions from the same period which today are embarassing and eminently forgettable - "Appane Appane PiLLayAr Appane" in Devar's Annaior Alayam" with Rajani/Sripriya or "Wahre Wah - sugam taaren taa" with KJY/SJ (most inappropriately) in "Pudukkavidai". The "iLami edO edO" in "Sakalakalavallavan" or the numbers in "Payum Puli" (does anyone remember them?) are all of the same category. Like all composers IR became obsessed with a few instrumental flourishes that were totally unnecessary. For instance the electric guitar flourish that ends the prelude in the Malaysia sung "ALLithanda boomi" in Nandu is totally superfluous. When I played this otherwise beautiful song to non-Tamil friend I had to prevent him from hitting stop after the guitar flourish! IR has composed some awesome interludes - but did these songs really need them? While the first interlude (a classical guitar plucking) in Paruvame (Nenjathai kiLLade) is necesary does the interlude in "PoonthaLir AAda" really add value to the already tuneful melody? IR has used innumerable instruments in innumerable ways - no doubt. Sometimes however these seem more like embellishments rather than organic parts of the song. A display of virtuosity. In that sense IR's opus is not orchestrally constructed it is orchestrally embellished with the coice taking a slight backseat. In contrast in MSV's songs it is the voice that initiates the turns, twists, swings and and highs and lows. That's probably why my favourite IR numbers are not the popular ones. Take Meendum Kokila - my favourite is "Hey oraayiram". I can't stand "Kanna Kanna nee enge" and positively detest "Chinnanchiru Vayadil..." with its predictable tani-avartanam!
  
  ARR is in that sense definitely post-MSV/IR. His kind of music is first of all a product of a very differernt relationship with the musician and singers he uses - with most of them having come through earlier informal association; an urbanised upbringing; a business savvy approach; greater understanding of today's trends and needs etc. Of these ARR's understanding of the south vs. Non-South taste is simply brilliant. His Tamil songs and Hindi songs are very clearly for different audiences. His orchestration is definitely post-IR in form, content and delivery. MSV starts with a strong melodic track and clothes it with music. IR starts with sometimes a strong track and sometimes a flat track (take a flat unremarkable track like adi aatthaadi in KadalOra... compared to a well tuned Chinnappa daas daas) and embellishes it with first rate orchestration.
  
  ARR in contrast starts with a few bars and builds up the entire song brick by brick. The bars will stay with you. Some of his instrumental flourishes are simply unforgettable - eg the cello in Kya Karen ya Naa Karen.. in Rangeela. His style combines the best of 1960s/70s rock and 1950s jazz composition. A few instruments used to dramatic effect. Rock n'Roll's greatest achievement has been in its ability to create timeless unforgettable music based on the work of informal composition and untrained musicians using just the guitar, drums and a honky tonk piano. That phae is now over and we will never hear the kind of music that the 1960s and 70s churned out. We will never hear another "Don't get fooled again" (The Who) or "Stairway to Heaven" or "Revolution". ARR's songs are best suited for a plain guitar strumming backed rendition with a few simple chords. MSV's are too heavy for a simple rendition and large parts of IR's repertoire are simply not meant to be delivered with a single instrument.
  
  IR doesn't seem to be producing orchestration laden songs like he used to (Please don't point to Guru - it is an OK album and will not stand against a single work of K.Ravindran of HH Abdullah fame). His latest successes are all in the old style - simple orchestration and heavy on melody. It is in fact a distinct attempt to get away from the space ARR occupies which IR has unsuccessfully tried to cater to (albeit thru YSR and KR). Some of his best numbers have been from the unforgettable Avatharam and Sethu. We have probably seen only about 20% of what this genius is capable of and we will continue to hear more in the years to come. Here's to wishing IR a hearty quarter century and looking forward to the next 75 years from this genius!
  
  Comments welcome! Cycle chain, soda bottle and other implements (including veLLa vaa - pathukkurEn) - prohibited
  
  
• From: pennathur see here (@ 203.106.162.60) on: Fri Apr 4 22:56:29 EST 2003
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/7912.22.54.00.html
  
  

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