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Chords Section in Dhool

Topic started by MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on Thu Apr 17 01:02:28 EDT 2003.
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In an effort to make dhool a li'l more comprehensive, we are adding a section "chords" for some songs. This table is presently hidden since we have chords only for a few songs. DFers can mail their own set of chords for the songs they have played / written in the format suggested in the Chords conventions page. Take a look at the way the page is arranged and send your chords to andholanam@hotmail.com. Try to make it as complete and accurate as possible including the interludes. This will help others who are searching for chords to use them. Appropriate credits shall be given to those who send the files.

(1) Paatu paadava
(2) Janani Janani
(3) Kuzaloodhum kaNNanukku
(4) nila adhu
(5) ponnondru kaNden
(6) vaseegara
and other chord files are available here - http://dhool.com/chords/chords.htm

some conventions:

http://dhool.com/chords/chords_conventions.htm

BTW, all these files were created by me and pardon the errors if any.

MS

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Responses:

• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Thu Apr 17 02:08:40 EDT 2003
  
  Though I don't understand any of the notations, good work, MS!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Apr 17 02:39:21 EDT 2003
  
  Great addition to the dhool section. I am sure this would be helpful to all the beginners and amateur performers out there. I would also like to see this thread being used for analysis of chord progressions in various interesting compositions and for general discussions on harmony. That would make it more informative and interesting.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 09:40:50 EDT 2003
  
  vijay:
  
  Understanding and writing back the chords in a particular format for a song is a lengthy process. SO these additions will be slow. I am planning to manage a series of articles on chords for carnatic oriented people. Kishmu aka swamiji has also promised his inputs. This would probably help some to understand how chords can be written for indian melodies.
  
  As and when I get the files ready, I shall upload then in dhool. In the mean time you may refer to some online chord dictionary for Keyboard which will help you practice some chords. The following link is a good start:
  
  http://chordfind.com/keyboard/
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 09:57:53 EDT 2003
  
  All the songs are arranged in alphabetical order and directly accessible from here:
  
  http://dhool.com/chords/chords.htm
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Thu Apr 17 10:34:03 EDT 2003
  
  vijay:
  "That would make it more informative and interesting."
  
  Or it could make it another free-for-all MD bashing about whose chord progressions are better than whose :-D
  
  Good job, MS. I have a suggestion though - for the interludes, please follow a more standard bar notation so the rhythm guitarist can play purely by count. There is no reference in an interlude and even if there were some references (flute ends, strings start etc.,) it would be very difficult to go purely by reference for people who cannot actually hear the chord changes. In fact, personally I prefer going purely by bar count because if we were to play the same song in a different language, the rhythm guitarist could potentially miss cues or displace them a bit. Of course, I realize that the idea here is for someone to look at these chords, try them out and practice it before going up on stage :-)
  
  Also, honestly, I think you should review the conventions. Some of them are confusing and not at all intuitive - which makes it difficult for a guitarist to interpret live and with sufficient practice, the conventions become redundant anyways. Some others are plain wrong (% is not blank, % is repeat previous bar AFAIK). And I can't figure out what a "chord connector" does :-)
  
  But overall, I was just thinking how wonderful it would've been if someone had provided us chords like this in the early days of our performances. I truly hope and pray that people make good use of your hard work :-)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 129.33.49.251) on: Thu Apr 17 10:42:27 EDT 2003
  
  Oh, MS, one more comment - I saw that Janani was in D# I am pretty sure it is in D - it's a favourite scale of IR's (and mine ;-) ) - I understand that due to tape speeds the scale will change, but D# is just an irritating scale to play in for me, personally :-) I think you should correct to the closest whole note - anyway, people are going to change scales if the singer has a range problem - so, I guess the point is moot.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 10:43:28 EDT 2003
  
  All the interludes are in bar. It is just that the bars are missing. Adding pipes makes the file cluttered. I prefer this way of spacing the chords geometrically to the std bar notation. Since it is spaced out, it is just as good as bar.
  
  Most songs are written with bar split even for pallavi and charanams e.g. nila adhu vaanathu mele. Some are difficult to write that way and the chord changes only are notated e.g. vaseegara.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 12.236.183.153) on: Thu Apr 17 12:08:48 EDT 2003
  
  MS it is possible to write everything in bar format. For chord changes within a bar that are not on the strong beat, we have to rely on the musician's memory to make changes correctly. Else, we can use music notation (fonts are available) to indicate above the bar where the chord changes lie.
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 13:43:21 EDT 2003
  
  I understand the "chord connector" is a li'l confusing. I shall remove that.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 15:30:52 EDT 2003
  
  I have changed the conventions compying to the standard notations as far as possible. This should help a li'l. The files to come will be much better and less confusing in notation.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 17:02:57 EDT 2003
  
  Some more contributions from Kishmu aka swamiji added. check out pothi vechcha malliga mottu..awesome !
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.141.193.196) on: Thu Apr 17 18:15:08 EDT 2003
  
  What more can I ask for from Dhool? Keep going guys! The thirst is never ending!!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Apr 17 22:24:42 EDT 2003
  
  Thanx selva. I just wish that senior DFers like, Kishmu, RJAY, VK, Sreedhar seetharaman and others take a li'l interest and contribute to make this collection grow.
  
  BTW, when I have multiple versions of the same song, I shall put them up too. We can have discussions (or wars :-)) here as to what is correct and what is wrong. Make it a healthy arena.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Fri Apr 18 12:39:15 EDT 2003
  
  Guys someone can also decrypt the chords progression of panividum malarvanam ,rojavai thaluttum thendral from Ninaivellam nithya.
  Swamiji if you can :)
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Apr 18 13:06:16 EDT 2003
  
  Guys..excuse my ignorance. these chords are for the rhythm/bass guitar right ? But I hear all kinds of sounds in the background (piano, strings etc) what are they called ? For eg. in the song pattu poovE mettup paadu so many things can be heard at the same time.
  
  (BTW, you guys are really 'hearing' or just going by the 'feel' ?? the levels are so level in many songs. I can only hear it in paattu paadava or vaseegara ..even though I can say that there is something in the background and not plain vocals. Also, many malayalam songs seems 'purely indian' to me, with the absence of any chords. I have 'Punyam' and kochu kochu santhoshangal in one CD and the difference seems drastic. Can somebody confirm this ??).
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.18) on: Fri Apr 18 14:05:30 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Kiru,
  Chords written this way only provide a basic idea of what the harmony is in a measure. It is left to the musician to apply the harmony in a manner he/she wishes. For example, you can choose to simply block the chords (play the notes of the chord all at once) or play an arpeggio, or play "over" the chord in some rythmic pattern. You also have the freedom to play "outside" notes of the chord, but always stay in the context of harmony.
  Imagine what it will sound like when every instrument you write music for blocks the chords!!Uninteresting right? That is why the arranger gives different notes to each instument *but* always staying within the harmony. This is part-writing and is what you call "layers" of sound you hear.
  
  UV - I will try man. Been busy with the show coming up!
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.131.7.184) on: Fri Apr 18 14:20:08 EDT 2003
  
  MS, I can't exactly say how i feel about seeing this thread. But in simple words, neither can i say that i am suprised, since this was bound to happen nor can i say that i was sure that a longing in me will be satisfied by newtfmpage in this way!!
  
  This attempt, I am sure, can potentially satisfy many souls in many ways that you can never imagine. But at the same time I understand the anxiety you feel about the success of this thread. This is an investment of effort for 2-3 years, I guess. In this period, if you can reach 50-100 carefully chosen songs, I don't have words to describe this but 'colossal' may come close to describing your effort. 50-100 is a wide range, but one will never know, it all depends on the momentum. It can go beyond 100 as well.
  
  newtfmpage today, is infested by people who have very superficial knowledge of music and by those who are looking for cheap thrills. This has discouraged to a large extent, potentially qualified musicians of the yester years, of this forum, to think it is not worth the trouble. But efforts such as these can bring them back.
  
  I understand that figuring out chord structures for songs can take a long time if one doesn't have the original from the creator himself. So please take your time and persist as long as you can. I am hoping that one day the entire original written notations of the songs by the respected music directors of TFM will be available to people who want them.
  
  Sorry for using up so much of your space in this forum. I had the urge to write and I just took the liberty.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Fri Apr 18 14:35:14 EDT 2003
  
  Wow ! That is a wonderful dose of inspiration for such a puny effort from dhool team ! Thanx selva. All your points noted and assimilated. Basically there are many music troupes which perform with such notes. I am associated with one, Kishmu with one, Vk with another and so on.. Apart from this, there are many persons interested in decoding songs to their chords. VK has already approved using his stuff. This will ensure that we increase the database upto an appreciable level.
  
  I personally would also like this page to be helpful to those who just start appreciating chords structure. As I said earlier, I shall come up with a series of write-ups along with other DFers and put them up here.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Fri Apr 18 14:40:43 EDT 2003
  
  Good work MS and Swamiji
  as selva said nice to see such useful thread after a long time.
  I have few question to you but later
  
  

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