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'Manasu rendum paarkka"-What about Shankar Mahadevan's pronounciation?

Topic started by JK (@ 61.11.83.96) on Tue Aug 12 06:20:59 EDT 2003.
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Great song "Manasu rendum paarkka.." from Kadhal Konden..

Shankar Mahadevan has rendered that song with exact emotion. But

"Oru paarvaiyil ennai kondru vidu penne..
Un Koonthalil ennai pudhaithu vidu penne..
koLvatharku munne oru muthamidu penne..
adahi marakkaathey.."

In this he should have pronounced "kolvatharkku"
instead of "koLvatharku". It is odd to listen to a "La" instead of "la"

In another song "Ennai konjam Maatri" from "Kaaka kaaka" the singer is pronouncing "Thulli Thulli poguthey" instead of "ThuLLi ThuLLi poguthey".Here instead of "La" "la" is pronounced.

The concerned persons related to the movie and song should have corrected this. Is this the fate of Thamizh?

These are examples.. In most of the peppy songs Thamizh kolai is being done. I have not mentioned them because the whole song would have been a Thamizh kolai.

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Responses:

• From: JK (@ 61.11.83.96) on: Tue Aug 12 06:27:19 EDT 2003
  
  I am not sure about the singer of "Ennai konjam maatri" from "Kaaka Kaaka". Is it Tippu? You people may think that i am blaming Shankar mahadevan for that song too. For that only.. this clarification i am posting
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.193.152.200) on: Tue Aug 12 08:10:32 EDT 2003
  
  That is timmy !!!!
  
  JK ,
  THis is very rare from SM ,though he does not have a perfect pronounciation .That song is powerful ,so while adding that power ,that accidental slip occurs !!
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Tue Aug 12 09:12:11 EDT 2003
  
  SM is okay - generally not known to make such blunders. But there is a whole lot of others who fail miserably in Tamizh like 'Pop' Shalini, Suresh Peters, Sriram (at times), the female voice of 'Kalyaanam dhaan katti kittu' and ofcourse the Hindi singers.
  
  I agree music is beyond language but that is meant for the ears. U can enjoy a song in Hindi, German, French, Arabic but when u know German and when the singer is killing the German language in his song, u are bound to feel miserable. Is my view right here?
  
  But singers like PS (who sounds very Telugu-ish when she speaks) and Chithra (with the Malayalam accent) are flawless when rendering Tamizh songs.
  
  
• From: sri (@ 61.1.205.187) on: Thu Aug 14 10:54:02 EDT 2003
  
  JK,
  
  even KJY does this mistake in "piLLai nila"[neengaL ketavai] as pillai nila.
  
  his son is continuving this mistake in the song "amma sonna aariraro"[SMK]as kaadhinile pesum pillai kanimozhi.
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.84.150) on: Mon Aug 18 08:17:53 EDT 2003
  
  S..in Vairamuthu's "Indha Kulathil Kal Erinthavargal" you can see one incident in which he corrected KJY
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.193.152.200) on: Mon Aug 18 10:00:50 EDT 2003
  
  Compare pronounication of these guys ...
  
  1,Lucky Ali in Secret of success ( BOYZ)
  2.Adnan Sammi in Boom Boom ( BOYZ)
  3.Vibha SHarma in Intha sirpinnai ( Naam Iruvaar *2)
  4.Udith Narayanana in Aeroplane ( Paarai )
  5.Shukhwindra singh in CBI yenge ( Povellam Kettupaar)
  I have listed Top 5 in Bext prounication of HinTamil !!!
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.76.246) on: Tue Aug 19 01:11:25 EDT 2003
  
  Mumbai ramki!,
  
  All those singers listed by you are really killing thamizh.
  
  But in case of SM or SPB or KJY, they can pronounce thamizh well without killing it and at the same time if they do small mistake in pronounciation it is odd to listen whereas in the case of other singers mentioned by u.. the whole song would be odd to listen
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.76.246) on: Tue Aug 19 01:14:43 EDT 2003
  
  I am adding to the list..
  
  No Problem(Love birds)
  Come on Come on o kaamatchi(love birds)
  Konjam nilavu(Thiruda Thiruda)
  Kadhal pisase(Run)
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.180) on: Tue Aug 19 15:50:48 EDT 2003
  
  Kadhal Pisase is the classic no.1 when it comes to murder of tamil language!
  
  What can I say? It even inspired comedian Vivek to parady the song's pronounciation in his comedy for the film Kadhal Sadugudu. The way vivek says "paruvaa illay" is amazing
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.78.106) on: Thu Aug 21 03:28:56 EDT 2003
  
  Have u heard Udit's "Aeroplane" from Paarai? I cant even listen to the song for once.
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.78.106) on: Thu Aug 21 03:31:14 EDT 2003
  
  Anupama's " July maadham vandhaaL' and Suresh peters' Chikku Bukku railu are the worst example for thamizh kolai. I think after that only a lot of thamizh songs came with bad pronounciation. so the credit goes to ARR
  
  
• From: thamizh patru (@ 203.197.138.167) on: Fri Aug 22 09:41:34 EDT 2003
  
  udit and sadhna sargam(tamila athu..tut tut poor..) r those who kill tamil..and that fool vidyasagar always employs them in his songs....
  
  
• From: Ysr_fan (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Fri Aug 22 20:08:29 EDT 2003
  
  Listern to these songs.
  
  Muthalvan
  Mudal vanne vanne vanne vanne vanne.
  
  Mutthalva va va mutthalva mutthalva.
  
  Iruvar
  vittu thallai vittuthallai
  
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.76.93) on: Tue Aug 26 06:04:32 EDT 2003
  
  S.. i laugh always when i hear to mudhalvane and viduthalai..
  
  Remember one "Thunukku" in a magazine after the release of "iruvar".
  
  'The move has not captured and the people and the theatres are empty. so Manirathnam is upset and he wont start his next film now. Appa..Vidu..thalai..vidu.. thalai.."
  
  Like this that magazine wrote..
  
  i remember.. i smiled after reading that
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.76.93) on: Tue Aug 26 06:05:57 EDT 2003
  
  Sorry!
  'The move has not captured and the people and the theatres are empty"
  
  This should be
  'The movee has not captured the minds of people and the theatres are empty" - in my previous post.
  
  
  
• From: Ysr_fan (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Tue Aug 26 20:32:23 EDT 2003
  
  And also in mudalvane song there will be chorous mutthalva vaa vaa mutthh tthalva mutthh tthalva...
  
  Horrible man.
  
  
• From: Jk (@ 61.11.78.54) on: Fri Aug 29 06:05:28 EDT 2003
  
  also.. "pidichirukku."song from "Saami" starts with some ularal.. and in the interlude of "thirunelveli alwaadaa.." u can listen to the same kind of ularal..'alamo kulaamu.." ....
  
  WHAT IS THIS? Where our songs are going?
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.193.152.206) on: Fri Aug 29 07:27:45 EDT 2003
  
  JK<
  DO not speak too much ..Harris Jeyraj is claiming that they are african folk songs !!!!:))
  
  Just Kidding .....
  
  1.Even our maestro has used such things .But 90% of such additions will be as a chorus and it will look like music and not as sound as ARR and HJ ,YSR use .Thankfully ,ARR does not use those sounds these days ...
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.78.50) on: Sat Aug 30 00:54:53 EDT 2003
  
  Have u heard Deva's 'Allu allu' song's starting piece. I was scratching my head when i listened to it for the first time. can anybody here clarify?
  
  Mumbai ramki!
  
  even our maestro has done that.. But as u said it sounds musically and not like these.
  
  previously ARR used child voice in each and every film just to give chance for his relative (sister's son).
  
  chikku bukku
  kuchi kuchi rakkamma
  paalakkaattu machaanukku
  
  like this the list will go on..
  
  But nowadays he is not using that child's voice also.
  
  I have read in one magazine. for bharathiraja's film (for karuthamma or kizhakku cheemaiyile)..i am not sure..he wanted to use that child's voice. But BR refused to that..becoz he had to visualise that song by digging a hole in his script. Just it came to my mind and i want to share with u
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Sat Aug 30 03:57:08 EDT 2003
  
  What about...
  "salam pode thurve naa sattekode siluve"?
  
  what does "Thurve" means?..or is it "Guruve"
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.76.39) on: Sat Aug 30 05:19:29 EDT 2003
  
  In which song "salam podw thurve.." is coming?
  
  
• From: ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (@ 195.93.33.7) on: Sat Aug 30 07:55:15 EDT 2003
  
  dheyyyy toumaigala innadha soringué
  ipo naan orunga prononcitaion panréna?????
  podhang .....................
  
  
• From: ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (@ 195.93.33.7) on: Sat Aug 30 07:55:24 EDT 2003
  
  dheyyyy toumaigala innadha soringué
  ipo naan orunga prononcitaion panréna?????
  podhang .....................
  
  
• From: ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (@ 195.93.33.7) on: Sat Aug 30 07:55:33 EDT 2003
  
  dheyyyy toumaigala innadha soringué
  ipo naan orunga prononcitaion panréna?????
  podhang .....................
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Sun Aug 31 23:58:44 EDT 2003
  
  JK...that was a kamal haasan movie..back in late 80's i think...music is by IR...if i'm not mistaken..
  the song starts as "Singari sarake, nalle sarake, cumma gummene yeruthe kikke yenaku"...heheh
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 207.44.154.35) on: Mon Sep 1 01:37:03 EDT 2003
  
  paran:
  
  That song was composed in the context of a drunkard singing at a sarayakkadai. Are you a maramandai and complaining about the pronounciation in that song too? Please comeback with some other example, this one is discarded.
  
  hehehe
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.83.27) on: Tue Sep 2 01:05:05 EDT 2003
  
  Paran!
  
  SPB had rendered that song like a drunkard. so that is excused.
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.83.27) on: Tue Sep 2 01:06:37 EDT 2003
  
  Paran!
  
  SPB had rendered that song like a drunkard. so that is excused.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.4) on: Tue Sep 2 04:06:39 EDT 2003
  
  SO...if u r drunk..u can kill tamil...as u wish huh?...
  
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.4) on: Tue Sep 2 04:07:16 EDT 2003
  
  SO...if u r drunk..u can kill tamil...as u wish huh?...
  
  anyway...i know that song was sung like a drunkard....and i was not even serious on making that comments....
  
  
  
  
• From: sri (@ 61.1.205.135) on: Tue Sep 2 05:59:05 EDT 2003
  
  hello paran and JK,
  that song is "eh jaadhi illa bedham illa thanni pottutta",kamalhassan played police officer role.inorder to catch a thief,he change his getup as a paettai rowdi named 'salttukkotta siluvai'.he talks 'chennai tamil',and hence it is written that way.MV sang that song well.the topic is about the ilakkana pizhaigal of singers.so pls discuss in the right track.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.4) on: Tue Sep 2 07:57:59 EDT 2003
  
  hey sri...sorry for misleading the thread..
  take that as a commercial ok...
  sorry guys...
  
  

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