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Topic started by Padmanabhan Ganesan (@ client-116-48.bellatlantic.net) on Tue Aug 5 19:58:18 EDT 1997.
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• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Aug 6 08:18:35 EDT 1998
  
  When you convert music on cassette to CD, the quality will be no better than the original - unless you care to edit your audio with programs like CoolEdit - you can remove noise etc.
  
  Removing noise is a CPU & labour -intensive process; a song may take as much as an hour.
  
  Also you need a high-quality audio card (for analog-to-digital conversion) - not those $30 cards which come bundled with your PC.
  
  I have some 15 year old Normal Bias tapes (TDK) which are still good. No point in converting them to CDs.
  
  
• From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ msaunder.doas.state.ga.us) on: Thu Aug 6 11:50:33 EDT 1998
  
  pg,
  we have discussed CD to CD-R directly instead of CD to hard disk to CD-R. Let me tell my experience.
  Last Sunday I bought HP 7200i CD-RW and I am using it with Creative Labs 32x (Pansonic CR 586b) CDROM. The panasonic extracts audio digitally at 8x. Yesterday I copied an audio CD (PBS Hits) directly into a CD-R. It took 40 mins at 2x speed to copy 70 mins of 19 songs. It was a great success. The CD-R is exact replica of the original. I could play it in my Sony CD Player and in my computer.
  
  
• From: Thenraja Kaliappan (@ msaunder.doas.state.ga.us) on: Fri Aug 7 11:14:15 EDT 1998
  
  The following is about 'Consumer CD-R' units taken from the 'CD-R Frequently Asked Questions'.
  
  What's the story with stand-alone audio CD recorders?
  
  Audio CD-R/CD-RW recorders are similar to computer CD-Rs, except that they're intended to be part of a recording system rather than attached to a Mac or PC. They have audio inputs and front-panel controls like you'd find on a tape deck.
  They are usually more expensive than CD-Rs meant for computers. Some CD-Rs have both audio and SCSI-II interfaces.
  
  There are two classes of audio CD-R, consumer and professional. The units targeted at consumers require special audio blanks, and employ SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) to prevent making copies from a copy. The audio blanks used to be 4x to 5x the cost of computer CD-R blanks and only held 60 minutes of audio, but 74-minute "Consumer Audio" blanks are now available for roughly the same price as regular CD-R blanks.
  
  The "professional" units use regular CD-R blanks and don't obey SCMS, and generally have a wider set of features and input/output connectors.
  
  If you already have a computer, it's probably cheaper to buy a computer CD-R and a good sound card or digital transfer card. The ability to edit the sound on a computer before writing a CD can be
  very useful. However, there are some advantages to using an audio CD-R (not all features are present on all models):
  
  much easier to configure the hardware, and no software to learn
  automatic DAT start_id to CD index mark conversion
  sample rate conversion for 32K - 48K DATs
  analog inputs
  pause button
  buffer underruns are unlikely
  
  Of course, since you're recording the music "live", it has to happen at 1x, and any skips or pauses in the audio input will show up on the duplicate. Depending on your situation, this may not be a problem.
  
  (Incidentally, the difference in price for the audio CD-R blanks is due to licensing agreements and volume. The manufacturer pays a royalty to a studio consortium under the assumption that everything recorded to an audio CD-R is pirated material. The technology is identical; the "audio" discs just have a mark that says a royalty has been paid.)
  
  It is theoretically possible to convince a "consumer" audio CD recorder to accept regular blanks, but in practice this would require replacing the firmware chip. If somebody has figured out how to do this, they've been quiet about it. With the Philips 870, it may be possible to trick the recorder by manually opening the drive door and replacing the disc right before
  recording.
  
  Examples of "consumer" audio CD-R units are the Pioneer PDR-04 and PDR-05
  http://www.pioneerproduct.com/prdsoft/cdr/index.html
  
  Marantz makes professional-grade CD-R units, e.g. the CDR615 and CDR620. See
  http://www-us.philips.com/marantz/product/professional/cdrecorder/
  
  Philips sells the CDR870 (based on the CDD3600), which can handle both CD-R and CD-RW media.
  http://www-us.sv.philips.com/sound/cr.html
  
  
• From: kiruba (@ slipper.watcom.on.ca) on: Fri Aug 14 16:00:11 EDT 1998
  
  I tried DART Pro from www.dartpro.com to remove the tape hiss on some tamil songs which I grabbed from a CD. I had to get goldwave WAV edit program to truncate this wav file to under 2 min so my demo version would work. But I am still having difficulty reading the dehiss wav file dartpro wrote.
  
  Another software package which I need to check out is DC Art Pro.
  
  Also, Turtle Beach has some good hardware/software packages for these things (i think Pinnacle model is a good buy).
  
  As PG mentions a good sound card is important for cassette-to-CD conversion. An outboard A/D converter would be still better. The audio card should have digital inputs.
  
  Check out some Digital recording magazines in the magazine rack of your favorite book store.
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-151-198-136-40.bellatlantic.net) on: Fri Aug 14 19:08:00 EDT 1998
  
  I use CoolEdit 96 for noise reduction. I recorded some of Raja's early movies (ellAm inba mayam, rAm lakshmaN etc) from a CD. After NR ir sounds much better than the original !
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-45.il.us.ibm.net) on: Sat Aug 15 01:29:31 EDT 1998
  
  Hi pg:
  
  We meet again , I am also using the cool edit.
  I recored a very old version of Padumpothu nan thendral katru from a old tape, I have processed it with cooledoit - sounds more like a digital recording.
  I have added some reverb and a little delay.
  Removed the external noise, use the equalizer and compressor - MSV's arrangements sounds much clearer and I hear some scores which are not been heard at all before.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: curious_to_revive_this-:) (@ user-38ld928.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Tue Oct 20 22:40:00 EDT 1998
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.189) on: Tue Oct 20 23:37:55 EDT 1998
  
  hai,
  i have a simple question. observer told me that
  trichy has some shops that can record assorted songs on a blank CD. now when i tried recording those songs on a cassette from LP's ( since the shop did not have CD's for all the old films) i had this bad noise in the background. now if i record it onto a CD can i remove the noise automatically? or should i instruct the shopkeeper
  to make ceratin 'adjustments' to remove the noise?
  pl. help. has anybody done these things in madras?
  
  (iam talking about early 80's IR songs like tik tik tik etc. for which my shop did not have any CD's.)
  
  
• From: K.Thenraja (@ border1.doas.state.ga.us) on: Thu Oct 22 07:17:53 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay,
  Recording into CDs would only eliminate 'tape hiss'. Otherwise you would get what is in the LP, like scratches. If the recording shops have sophisticated recording equipments they could do noise reduction before putting on a CD. But I doubt very much about it.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.194) on: Wed Nov 4 18:36:35 EST 1998
  
  guys,
  i have another simple query. iam thinking of getting a new system. is it better to buy ampsa and speakers separately and then integerate them together or buy a whole integreated system as such having the cassette/CD player together with the speakers? i think that the latter is cheaper.
  
  
• From: Thenraja K. (@ border1.doas.state.ga.us) on: Thu Nov 5 08:06:45 EST 1998
  
  Vijay,
  Please read the other thread 'Good Music System'
  Thenraja
  
  
• From: kiruba (@ wat-surf.watcom.on.ca) on: Sun Nov 8 18:47:23 EST 1998
  
  When you move material from tape to CDs you will still have the tape hiss. You can remove it using some computer programs but dont overdo this it will remove the harmonics/sonics in the original recording. I have remastered Miles Davies Jazz CDs with the tape hiss !!!! Better to play the tapes on good tape deck and use good quality A-to-D converters.
  
  Re: LPs. Current trend is to use LP. if you get used (tune out) to the 'pops/clicks' you will notice better sonics in a LP (atleast thats what I am told). The reason being given that 44.1kHz sampling done for CD mastering is that is misses out the higher order harmnonics.
  
  Vijay,
  Check out the Good Music System thread. I am surprised so many people are interested in music but not in getting a good music system.
  
  
• From: Shankar Ramakrishnan (@ sdn-ts-012casjosp11.dialsprint.net) on: Mon Nov 9 01:50:45 EST 1998
  
  To all on this thread,
  
  Is there a place in Madras that has LPs (not cassettes or CDs) of old songs (till early 80's) that I could record from? I would appreciate any responses. Thanks,
  
  Shankar Ramakrishnan
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.65) on: Thu Nov 26 14:39:43 EST 1998
  
  guys,
  i plan to buy a cassette/CD player tomorrow on the thanksgiving sales. i request u all to suggesta good system to buy. budget: $150 - $350
  it should have both cassette and CD players with
  auto reverse, dolby sound reduction and if possible remote controlled switches. is surround sound feature really good? if so, i would like to add it too.
  i looked up the best buy page since that is where i would be buying my stuff. i did not know exactly what features to look for.
  the page is
  http://www.bestbuy.com/productinfo/products/models.asp?C=8
  
  pl. give me u'r suggestions ASAP.
  
  the earlier duscussions in this thread have been about amps and speakers etc. but iam not buying any amps. iam directly buying a CD/cassette player.
  
  if its not worth buying in best buy then pl. let me know about it too.
  
  
• From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Nov 26 16:22:26 EST 1998
  
  vijay, i have a sharp system, costed me $300. has 2 front speakers, 2 back speakers, a main speaker and a sub-woofer. 2 cassette players (rew and ff and rec only on one), 3 CD changer, no auto-reverse. dolby surround sound, remote, digital tuner and FM/AM. capable of storing some 40 radio channels in memory. it is cooool. bought it in circuit city.
  
  
• From: Bolis Bancala (@ spider-wg082.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Oct 15 01:46:31 EDT 1999
  
  
  What would I need to put still digital photos on
  CD!s ? I have a new Olimpus D-620-L camera and a new Dell xps r450 conputer with a Yamaha CD rc rw
  drive. What type of program soft ware do I need?
  Do I need A special photo cd player? Would something like the Marantz CDR620 recorder,record and play the photos with the proper software?
  
  
• From: Thenraja, K. (@ 167.193.64.72) on: Fri Oct 15 07:37:25 EDT 1999
  
  Bolis,
  Though your question is not-relevant to this forum, you may want to read CD-R FAQ at
  http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cdrom/cd-recordable/
  Thenraja
  
  
• From: Dinesh (@ ) on: Thu Apr 19 02:49:46 EDT 2001
  
  I have a lot of audio casettes with live recordings of bhajans, songs and classical music of private concerts. I have maintained these copies for years. But now am thinking on transferring to CDS. Some are still good while some have to be edited to remove some hiss.
  If I want to use a computer to do it, what all h/w and s/w and other stuff will I need? and
  If I were to give it outside how much do they charge. I have 25+ cassettes and live in San Francisco/Bay Area, California.
  Thanks in Advance
  
  
• From: Tywannda Blount (@ 155.78.77.253) on: Tue May 20 07:52:58 EDT 2003
  
  Please help me to obtain instructions for the Pansonic pdr-04 cd recorder. I purchase one a couple of weeks ago and while waiting for my son to come over and connect the instructions were lost. Circuit City Store do not have anymore besides others in boxes of cd recorders and instructed me to contact pansonic.
  
  

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