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Is only IR arrogant? (If at all he is)

Topic started by kk (@ 172.175.69.144) on Sun Mar 4 06:17:07 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

There has been this image of IR being arrogant from his early days. I feel its more of lack of verbal communication from his part, and his peers being musicaly not par with him to communicate to him. What can you expect to a director, asking for Sitar type music for a scene.

Now let see who else is arrogant in TF world.

Rajni, made a sick statement that raja earns money on par with actor like him who work hard in sun. May be a joke but its unwanted. Is this a humble?

Kamal says he is bringing international std to kodambakkam. What is it about?. It may not be a direct statement, but he talks to that effect. The thing is, wasnt mahendran or others making movies of I std? Just because they are made in tamil without any 'inspiration' from hollywood, they are not upto I'std?. I'std comes when we make movies true to ourselves, not when they package india for foreign audience as in film like Kamasutra. Isnt kamal statements like last hope of TF arrogant?.

Rahman ignored IR name purposely in his early interviews when asked MDs whose music he admired. He said he is trying to bring some I'std to tamil music?. I can agree Tamil films are not great, but when music standard went that bad?. Best part was his claim that he used hollywood style of BGM. All his interviews he wants keep an separate identity, than other MDs as if he has got a dozen grammmys. Why cant he talk like a TFM MD?. Arent all these crap?.

SAR says he the melody king, himself!. so humble. Deva says all his copy is coincedence.

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• From: mani (@ 203.197.134.8) on: Sun Mar 4 12:59:55 EST 2001
  
  Go read the press interviews of Ilayaraja - Eg. When he got a function organised by a Tamilsquad producer who was then in DMK and now in PMK, with Kalaignar Karunanidhi, to honor him with a title "Isaignani", he arrogantly replied(" I tune for youth, adults and oldies and not like what sivakumar says") to Actor Sivakumar who in his speech said 'Ilayaraja is popular with youth", which was a fact and said with no hidden meaning.
  
  AR Rahaman has his liberty to choose his favouarite music director. Ilayaraja fans (Fanatics) should not overexpect things and think too much of themselves!
  
  Ask Bhagyaraj, Bharathiraja, Vairamuthu, AVM Saravanan, GV (all one time close chumps) and more others apart from his music party musicians, ask the press reporters who tried to interview Ilayaraja and arrogantly refuse in 80s and they will tell you tales.
  
  Why go so far - Ask Gangai Amaran and Late Bhaskars family and they will tell you from family point of view. Why unnecessarily post a thread?
  
  
• From: mani (@ 203.197.134.8) on: Sun Mar 4 13:03:10 EST 2001
  
  I forgot an important point, to answer your question correctly.
  The answer is:
  
  
  No, even Kartikraja and Yuvan Shankar raja are equally arrogant and boasting in all their public forums and press.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 172.146.134.205) on: Sun Mar 4 13:41:16 EST 2001
  
  I said If at all he is arrogant. Dont you know english?. Lot is talked about IR's arrogance. I am talking about others dumbo.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Sun Mar 4 14:36:47 EST 2001
  
  SAR says he is the Melody king after KMM and IR.
  ARR says 'imagine a MR movie without my music'. (This was regarding Alai Paayudhe which was originally thought to be released without any songs).
  
  IR just corrected what Sivakumar said and that is correct. IR said spending time for interview was waste as press only spread rumours. And I agree with that fully. I remember one interview he said 'rivers flow is music....bagawadhar's sining is music...even dog's barking is music'. Next day the paper says 'bhagawadhar's IR says singing is like dog's barking'. This is the reason he kept himself away from press and they always projected the bad image. Not only that press failed completely against IR as he succeeded on his own rather than someone to project him. He does it even.
  
  ARR never said (atleast most of the early interviews) that he worked for IR. In one interview he said he programmed 'Punnakai Mannan' songs just to project he was a computer expert. Yes, this is called humbleness.
  
  When IR says he does not know music, he is arrogant. When a person says he brings standard by copying Peter Gapriel, it is humbleness.
  
  Gangai Amaran to say about IR? IR kept himself away from GR because of some obvious reason and Kodambaakam knows about that .
  
  Bharadwaj says his background music is good when the interviewer compared against IR's.
  
  With 10 movies we talk as if we touched the sky. But a person touching moon says he doesn't know anything about music. Now to me that is humbleness.
  
  
• From: Fellow tamil (@ 154.20.71.23) on: Mon Mar 5 01:19:20 EST 2001
  
  Tamils:-((
  
  
• From: super (@ 143.117.11.25) on: Mon Mar 5 07:07:37 EST 2001
  
  Ada STS,
  
  Nalla Potta pa.. Indirect adi pah itu.
  
  Amadi .. Amadi Oooi
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Mar 5 10:52:03 EST 2001
  
  STS;
  
  What happened to your excellent website. I've been trying to access for quite some time and I am unsuccessful. Can you help me?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Mon Mar 5 12:21:26 EST 2001
  
  STS:
  Go and read this to know what ARR has got to say about IR.
  
  http://www.indialoginc.com/arrahman.html
  I see, lot of hc IR fans bash ARR without cross checking facts.
  Do, you mean to say that ARR or other MD should definitely acknowledge IR's musical skills without fail every time they give an interview. Don't they have any other thing to talk. I have personnaly seen and read ARR's inter. where he acknowledges IR's brilliance. He has also once mentioned that "injjii iduppazhaga " is one of his favorites.
  
  If IR is arrogant , then he is. We see that in magazines and also in his ridiculous interviews (recent one in some mag.).
  
  You people read one side of a page and take decisions against other.
  
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.172.159) on: Mon Mar 5 12:54:08 EST 2001
  
  Common friend, the truth is IR has not
  acknowledged anyone. He has called others as plastic musicians (Hey ram preview interview in sun tv),
  
  I have started to feel many here dont hear music for music these days. They just blindly bash arr or anyother musicians and support ir-family members inspite of their poor show down.
  
  btw; i am not supporting arr here...I am sure i will be trashed right away for my above posting, tell me who is spared...i dont care.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 5 15:04:47 EST 2001
  
  IR clearly acknowledged MSV. I remember him saying that MSV set the tone/format for tamil film music. Without him he wouldn't know how to do film songs. He has collaborated with MSV on many films and also employed him. MSV has said, "ennaip pOnRa kalaignargaLai vAzha vaiththukkondirukkiRar". In the hEy rAm interview, people were asking him silly questions like, "why do you need a big orchestra with so many violins? It seems these things can all be done using computers (referring to the chorus effect, I guess)". For a guy who is into WCM (an understatement here) he really kept his cool.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Mar 5 15:44:43 EST 2001
  
  kiru,
  
  Can you give me a link to that interview?I want to read those silly questions and befitting replies.
  Thanks in advance.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Mar 5 15:46:52 EST 2001
  
  There is nothing wrong for someone to be arrogant - it is human. Few people are protective about their individual territories and would never give away themselves to others demands - (I guess there is another word for this called "ego" ??). Their expressions (in music - or any art) is not dictated by what others feel is right. It is their personal statement, and I guess others should realize that this work of art should be "taken or forgotton". If we try to tell the artist that his work "should" be this and not that - all the poor soul can do is to show arrogance. Well, if a human being can overcome that - he is no longer human.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 5 16:17:47 EST 2001
  
  Trend, I hope you are not doubting my account. I watched the interview on TV. And I dont remember the exact words. Here's my take - IR's verbal communication skills are not as good as ARR's. Thats about it. ARR knows what others know and he ignores/tolerates, IR just gets annoyed. Anyways, to music lovers like us these personal idiosyncracies should not matter. I dont want to be defending IR, his temperament or his social relations. But we should all be very careful in making sure our views on a professional as a person should not belittle the professional's creative output. If not we will be doing injustice to the art form we are care for and congregate here to talk about.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Mar 5 16:28:27 EST 2001
  
  kiru, I guess this is what you tried to mean. some excerpts;
  
  "In an age of synthesized sound, we must thank Kamala Hasan for sparing the time and money to produce high quality acoustic music. "Each note is mine," Ilaiyaraja proudly told a television programme."
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 209.187.151.146) on: Mon Mar 5 16:31:07 EST 2001
  
  comment:
  
  support ir-family members inspite of their poor show down.
  
  Tell me honestly, don't you like atleast couple of songs from dheenA and uLLam kOLLai pOkuthE? Why don't you say so? Because I know the reason ;-)
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Mar 5 16:32:28 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  I just think you may not be entirely true.It is my opinion.I may be entirely wrong.
  "I dont want to be defending IR, his temperament or his social relations"
  Looked like you were the giving the full credit for IR's arrogance or outburst to the journalists.
  That's why I wanted to know the remaining questions too to see if the journos deserved the full credit.
  Even then,it looks bad on IR's part to take the fight back to them.
  Anyway,calling other creators works as plastic is untolerable(even in worst circumstances) IMO.
  I think it looks like I don't have a chance of liking him as a person even 1% of how much I love his music.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Mar 5 16:38:39 EST 2001
  
  
  "Kannule enna color kannadi pottirukko ulagam appadithaan theriyum. Sila per iruttle kooda cooling glass pottuto onnume theriyalennu complain pannuvaanga"
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.172.159) on: Mon Mar 5 16:38:44 EST 2001
  
  analog, simply the albums were not great to over throw even deva.
  
  But i know for sure...KR is a "complicated" musician. He can do better, He is not guided properly. First and foremost he has to get proper position in the batter order than he can worry about becoming the caption.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Mar 5 16:56:37 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  If that was directed at me,please be more simple.
  I'm not smart enough to understand your intellectual comments.
  
  

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