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What Makes IR So Special- Revised

Topic started by Kum_Laden (@ 24.100.180.179) on Fri Jul 12 04:19:47 EDT 2002.
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This is where IR fans should unleash their rage towards ARR's revised thread.. :) Go ahead folks.

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Responses:

• From: Laden (@ 24.100.180.179) on: Fri Jul 12 08:05:46 EDT 2002
  
  Hmm, I guess People dont like IR Anymore..
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.162) on: Fri Jul 12 09:40:15 EDT 2002
  
  nice try laden..
  looks like they r still not furious!
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 210.187.7.46) on: Fri Jul 12 23:48:46 EDT 2002
  
  1)Only his music has got expression than any other in india...his music speaks n conveys the feeling of the song BETTER THAN THE LYRICS....
  
  2)Only his music makes our brain to think about the compostion and depth apart from enjoying...others music is just melodiuos to enjoy...
  
  3)His mixing the orchestration is too complex and difficult to compose....thats why they remain enjoyable for a vast duration of time...not being temporary hits !!
  
  4)His creative music needs no marketing and publicity ...it pulls people by itself and installs itself in our brain to stay permanantly...see my example I cannot understand
  even a single word in tamil...but listens to only tamil music...only raaja's !!If raaja is not born I wouldn't listened to tamil songs at all !!When I come to tamilnadu I feel ...wow Now am in raaja's place !!
  
  
• From: vel (@ 203.199.245.90) on: Sat Jul 13 00:01:58 EDT 2002
  
  Nice points Kiran :-)
  
  
• From: Subbiah (@ 203.117.33.23) on: Sat Jul 13 10:06:32 EDT 2002
  
  Kiran,
  You have said it perfectly; especially points 2 & 3.
  Subbiah
  
  
• From: ravi k,s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.83) on: Sat Jul 13 19:16:23 EDT 2002
  
  One more:
  
  To the best of my knowledge he is probably the only one in India who appreciates the rigor of Western classical music and knows how to compose pieces in it. He has passed several levels in guitar and probably one of the top guitarists in the world, although he has not composed a full length concert in guitar himseld, except perhaps using in his songs.
  
  
• From: vera velai yedharku (@ 152.163.189.230) on: Sat Jul 13 21:14:50 EDT 2002
  
  Kiran, proves that u are a true lover of music. a person who is not worried about the meaning of the words or language. most people are not like us, their prejudice pops up - oh i cannot understand the words, oh i cannot listne to music without knowing the language. those people first have to have open minds, that depends on the environment they are brought up.
  
  one of my friends learned tamil to read any info on the film posters about raaja!!! then, of course discovering the beauty of the language was the next step.
  
  but, there is not a day i cannot do without hearing a raja song thought i have over 300 cds, 200 cassettes of all kinds of music! the best thing is, every song makes me wonder how is this possible, the orchestration, the tune, the flow, the originality and most important a mood for each situation? I mean MSV and others makes me feel nostalgic, feel the melody but IR keeps you wondering how is it possible to compose like this? how is that no-one else has ever done anything like this? how is that similar to brief leit motifs that characterize whole western classical symphonies, concertos are found copiously abundantly bountifully generously overwhelmingly etc... etc... in any song you take in the form of interludes and preludes JUST LIKE THAT? So, we have 4000 songs *3 (interludes, preludes) main leit motifs (i think this word means the main theme or tune, which is about 15 to 30 seconds sometimes longer as in a melodious mozart symphony.) that can make around 12000 symphonies, concertos, etudes, overtures, serenades etc..? I mean let us around 6000, at a 50% correction factor themes for western classical pieces?!!!! That means, another 300 years of western classical music from one man!!!
  
  Ravi,what do you say?!!!!
  
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 210.187.7.46) on: Sat Jul 13 22:58:52 EDT 2002
  
  superb "vera velai yedharku " !!Someone can become rich by marketing IR music !!
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 63.89.199.3) on: Mon Jul 15 16:53:31 EDT 2002
  
  I agree with Kiran on points 2 and 3. Though I should admit that I hear a lot of other kinds of music. The one guy who has touched me, other than Illaiyaraaja would be John Williams.
  
  The best way I can describe his works is like this:
  
  A guy who goes up a mountain takes pictures of the stunning beauty atop it, and brings it down to the common man who stands below who cannot afford to climb. A photographer would appreciate the photograph provided the picture has a technical quality to it. A common man would appreciate since the guy gave him a view of the beauty without having to go up the mountain. Illaiyaraaja is that guy without a doubt. Because he has reached levels of music that no one has ever gone or can go. He could have stayed up there and composed music to be heard by others on that level alone, instead he brought the complexities of that level down to the common man who enjoys "Oppaarai". That is him! and that is his uniqueness. I cannot think of anyone in that level doing that job, including the guy who makes music with high-funda synths and computers.
  
  
• From: ravi k.s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.104) on: Thu Jul 18 20:50:44 EDT 2002
  
  Vera velai yedharku: Good points.. I can't agree with you more.. Although your id is funny..!
  
  Eswar: Well put...
  
  As I write this I am listening to "Kan Malargalin Azhaipithaz.." song in Thai Ponngal.
  
  Like so many times in the past I am still amazed by the start...It stards with a chello and then transcends to a violin and flute in duo playing the fugue...this is probably one of the best fugues I have ever heard at the levels of Bach's brandenberg concertos..If you cut and paste together the start and the two interludes with the guitar punctuating the fugue, if forms a nice quartet: chello-violin-flute-guitar concerto in D major ! How IR comes up with such a simple musical pattern with just four instruments ?
  
  Another good example I can think of is "Varuvai Anbe.." in Garjanai..Piano+violin+durms+rock guitar...
  Don't miss these....treasures...
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Fri Jul 19 10:35:18 EDT 2002
  
  As a person i like his
  "thaan undu than work undu endru irupadhu"..
  Most of the MDs are lik that..MSV,ShankarGanesh are of BBC type..
  But the thing which i admire most in him is the time which he takes to compose such gems...How on earth cud someone compose beauties in a very less time..Surely there shud be spl attention by GOD on him..
  His paaramugam towards awards..a kind off tough guy approach..Garvam and talent always will be together?
  And his magnetic voice..Criticisms like no shruthi,rusty voice etc etc doesnt change my liking towards his voice even a bit..
  That start of "Naan thedum sevanthi" and the control thru the whole song of "metti oli"..
  Antha mottai thalai..
  appuram..pazhaya maathiri illayendralum avvapothu "oliyile therivadhu" maadhiri classics kudupathu..
  meethi appuram..veetukku poganum..:-)
  
  
  
  
• From: Nostalgic (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Fri Jul 19 11:25:58 EDT 2002
  
  Guys
  Recently on my trip to India I bought a five CD set of Illayaraja's collection. It was primarily the songs of his first 5 or 6 years.. Wow..
  
  Driving to work this morning, I popped in one of the CDs and two songs later comes this wonderful start "Ennadi Meenakshi ?""
  
  It has been 25 years since that movie and songs were released. I still remember (a school kid then) watching that song in the movie .. It was a new trend, kamal singing, dancing, the rhythm of the song, the guitar, sax and trumpet... it is a true beauty.
  
  If you get a chance listen to this great song that really rocks. I think it was a special number those days..
  
  
  
• From: greatarrlocalir (@ 202.9.180.21) on: Mon Jul 22 01:08:28 EDT 2002
  
  the great arrrahman broke ir's monopoly of trash tunes. So everyone needs to console the loser . that's why ir is being specialised but with only a heavy heart
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 202.142.83.183) on: Tue Jul 23 01:58:16 EDT 2002
  
  "the great arrrahman broke ir's monopoly of trash tunes" -- and now, he becomes the monopoly of making trash tunes??? Poor guy, even for that, he doesn't know, how to create a trash tune of his own!!!
  
  
• From: JJ (@ 65.69.58.197) on: Tue Jul 23 02:11:57 EDT 2002
  
  ARR recycles his tunes!! It is an insult to compare this third rate MD ARR with Maestro IR.
  
  
• From: Ithuthaandaa UNMAI (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Jul 23 03:00:27 EDT 2002
  
  Right, IR should be compared with 10th rate MDs like Sirpy and T Rajender.
  
  Even Deva is MUCH BETTER than IR.
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Wed Jul 24 06:15:10 EDT 2002
  
  Ithuthaandaa UNMAI
  enna kolupu da....
  Unnai yarodu comapre pannalam endru neye sol....
  parkalam un pathilum..
  
  
• From: Ragapravaham Sundar (@ 61.11.81.36) on: Wed Jul 24 07:21:13 EDT 2002
  
  Dear JJ,
  Hats off to you for your comments on ARR. Really he is a third rate m.d. He does not have the maturity to compose tunes like stalwarts like MSV, KVM,IR,etc. In my opinion he is rated as the last of all music directors tamil film industry has produced. Agree?
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Wed Jul 24 08:36:20 EDT 2002
  
  Yes
  
  Marketing and Management of IR album is very poor.
  This may be one reason why some good songs are not popular.
  
  
• From: JJ (@ 65.69.58.197) on: Wed Jul 24 13:49:10 EDT 2002
  
  I guess he is terrific whether it is BGM or Songs.
  Let ARR fans prove that if ARR has scored music like IR has done for Salangai Oli. Let them tell one movie which can compare with Sindhu Bhairavi.
  Accept the fact. That he is the worst MD TFM has ever seen.
  
  
• From: vem (@ 161.114.88.76) on: Wed Jul 24 14:41:43 EDT 2002
  
  i have watched some movies more than 10-15 times just for IR's apt BGM...... His BGM makes us feel happy,sad,etc etc.....
  
  
• From: greatarrlocalir (@ 203.199.228.187) on: Wed Jul 24 23:12:25 EDT 2002
  
  A R Rahman may not be succesful here in the local areas of TN with his bgm but universally his bgm style for his hindi films are accepted and glorified. deaf and dumb fans of local ir hear his bgm in TLOBS and speak. Without his greatness a great director like deepa mehta would not have invited him to compose bgm for fire. And as far as songs are concerned A R RAHMAN is ways ahead of ir which is accepted worldwide. But one doubt: The master is set to compose hollywood films and is making the world notice india in the film music field but local ir has never even succeded in getting noticed in the north. Hardluck IR
  
  Talent always suceeds(e.g. A R Rahman)
  
  
• From: Rangadurai (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Jul 25 00:11:34 EDT 2002
  
  Guys, please dont lump greats of MSV, KVM and ARR with IR.
  IR's period was the blackest period in the history of TFM and luckily for us God saved us by giving ARR.
  
  Now God needs to save us from the fans of IR.
  Even Satan got followers.
  
  

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