i would like to start some discussions on maestro's music.before that i'am ganesh doing my m.sc(chemengg) at iisc.i'am an afficianahdo of illaraja.infact i met illayaraja last yer on march 27 th when he had come to a place called SIRIKOODARPATTI(birth place of kannadasan,near karaikudi).i had 35 minutes of western classical fusion music with him and i would like to share my experiences with all IR's fans.
Topic started by N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18) on Thu Feb 19 15:14:42 EST 1998.
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- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust228.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Thu Feb 19 16:34:06 EST 1998
Ayya voodu therandhudhAn kedakku
uLLey pugundhu pandhi pOdey
yenna Ganesh, saththamE kAnOm?
Kaviyarasu KannadhAsan veettukku Raaja sendrarA? mariyAdhai nimiththamA? Sollavum.
- From: Rajesh (@ pdxss902.jf.intel.com)
on: Thu Feb 19 17:43:11 EST 1998
Ganesh,
enna ippidi interestinga oru topic arambichittu
silenta irukkenga. I am reloading every 5 mins to
see if u have posted or not. Romba soga padathareenga.
- From: Kitcha (@ dhcp232-193.eel.ufl.edu)
on: Thu Feb 19 17:50:32 EST 1998
Ganesh,
We are waiting....
An interesting topic after a long long time!!
- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust200.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Thu Feb 19 17:56:21 EST 1998
yeppA. oRe nEraththula ivLo pEru screenai pAththukittu okkAndhirukkOm? Indiala Ganesh thoongikittu iruppArO? Raajavai paththipEsalAmnA
Ganeshai paththi pEsikittu irukkOm?:)
- From: S.Krishnan (@ 202.54.6.113)
on: Thu Feb 19 22:39:55 EST 1998
Ganesh, romba interesting topic Arambithuvittu engae poyittenga? Expecting a fast response from u....
- From: SATHIYAVAGEESWARAN (@ client-151-200-125-170.bellatlantic.net)
on: Thu Feb 19 22:57:44 EST 1998
Ganesh!, raja oru Kadal!! TFM la yaarum sollaathaathai sollaporingannu ninaikken!
- From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu)
on: Fri Feb 20 00:25:51 EST 1998
Ganesh.. pl. post short topics and the detailed expln. as the first response.. read the how-to document please...
- From: N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Fri Feb 20 14:11:06 EST 1998
hey guys,
as i had some work yesterday i could not mail u guys.illayaraja had come to that place for some felicitation function for kannadasan.since that place was a kook gramam types i seized that opportunitee and i talked with maestro on western classical fusion music.i started with mozart's allegro symphony no.9 and finished off with his symphony.when i left tha place i was totally amzed.i came to a conclusion that illayaraja has not lesrnt music but realised music.more to follow.
- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust133.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Fri Feb 20 14:30:49 EST 1998
Ganesh, how could you access this guy all of a sudden and talk about mozart's sym no 9 and end with his own sym, when nobody gets near him? And when he answers nobody's questions about music directly!! This is amazing!! May be the 'kook gramam' helped you to access Maestro??
Enna Kumudham thodarkadhai mAdhiri irukkE?!! Did you snap a photo with him?? Oh mAn! When will he visit SKpatti next? pAkkanumE!
- From: N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Fri Feb 20 14:58:30 EST 1998
guys,
i was waiting for ur replies.never mind.i'll start it .the first Q i asked him was
1:ayya ungalala aeppadi endha madhiri compositions poda mudiyardhu?
IR:manasukku varadha appadiyae aezhudharaen
2:ungoloda RAMANA MAALAI and GEETHANJALI albums kaettaen.edhukkaiya neenga dheernnu devotional sidela erangittenga?
IR: naan aanmeegathhil ulla eeduppaattil dhan ennoda manasu niraivukku onnu rendu album pannraen.endha ulagathhula elloru therinjikka vaendiyavar RAMANA MAHARISHI.avara pathhi padradhulla enakku manasu romba niraiva irukku.
3:ayya i listened to MOZART'S ALLEGRO SYMPHONY NO:9.ADHUKKUM UNGOLODA SYMPHONEEKUM ENNAIYYA VIDHAYASAM
IR:adipaadaiyya sangeetam garadhu onnu dhan.ennoda symphoneela naan attempt panni irukkarardhu a fusion of classicalk and western music.
4:edhu varaikkum naan kaetta symphonyla andha madhiri aedhuvum kadaiyadhunnu ninaikkarean.so appo unga symphony dhan oru trenda set pannumnu sollalama?
IR: yaar sonnadhu.neenga marupadiyum allegro symphonee no,9 a kaelunga.particularlee piece 2 in side B.THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT FUSION OF WESTERN AND CLASSICAL.
i was really amazed by his memoree(side B:piece 2)wow something eppo ninaichaalum pull arikkardhu.
udal mannukku,
uyir isaignanikku,
edhai urakka solluvoam ulagukku
more Q AND A to follow...
- From: N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Fri Feb 20 15:07:08 EST 1998
gopal
the kook grama realee helped me.i had taken a snap with him(2 snaps)i'll be loading it in the net by this weekend.i'll let u know the address and u can see it
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Fri Feb 20 15:47:34 EST 1998
N.Ganesh:
I think that function was organised by TN government, wasn't it? I read about the things happened there. But your conversation is more interesting than all of them. Please continue and i'm waiting for your photos with IR. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
- From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56)
on: Fri Feb 20 16:50:13 EST 1998
symphonykum namakum romba thoorampa.
enkE irunthu Arampikkalaam.
How to name it, nothing but wind music maathri thaan irukuma.
- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust51.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Fri Feb 20 17:10:01 EST 1998
Hmmm. appuram?
- From: Anand (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Mon Feb 23 03:26:20 EST 1998
Ganesh
Unga anubavathai neenga pakirnthundathula romba magizhchi. Naanum antha Raajavoda visit pathi cinema express la padichirunthen. Raaja vairamuthuvapathai tharaikuraiva pesinaarunu potirunthaanga. Oru music directoroda mukkiyamana medium music thaan endraalum lyrics oru booster maathiri illya. Antha vagayla paatha avaroda musickku inniki ithanai rasigargalnu paatha athukku oru minor contributionaavadhu vairamuthu irukkamaattara. Isaignani musicukku ethanayo nalla padal varigala thanthirukkare vairamuthu. Avara pathi raaja nijamave thappa pesinaara. itha nerla partha ungakittendhu therinjukkanumnu nenaikiren. Athoda ramana maalaiya naanum ketten.. athapathi avar enna sonnarndratha theliva sollungalen.. please. Oru naathiganayum aathiganaakkum oru padaippu athu. "Naathigathai pesida naakku thanthaaradi" nu Athmala oru paatu pottare, athavida powerful meaningulla albums Ramanrmaaliyum Geetanjaliyum. Athapathi neenga solratha naan kekkanumnu ovvoru nimishamum reload pannidirukken.
iraivanadi (raajaval aathiganaana),
anand
- From: N. Ganesh & co (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Tue Feb 24 09:24:52 EST 1998
Illayaraja medaila pesarcha, he referred to one song that song was Andhi Mazhai from Raja Parvai.
Raja was of the opinion that lyricists were finding it very difficult to write lyrics for his tune. "Ennoda tunukku varigala thedarathukkaga Natesan Park, Nageshwara Rao Park appadi-ippadinnu allaiyaranga! Varikala ezhudharathukku avangalukku
prasava vedhanai maadhiri irukkaam! ennayya varigal ezhudhareenga? udharanathukku, andhi mazhai patta situation theriyaama oruththar ezhidhi irukkaar. oru piravi kurudan paada vendiya paatta adhu?" (He meant "ovvoru thuliyilum un mugam therigirathu" - fallacy)
Illayaraja's tune is great and Raja is what he is because of his tunes and not because of his lyricists. Of course, Kannadasan and other greats also worked with Raja to give wonderful lyrics for his wonderful tunes. But Vairamuthu..?!
Iraivan adi
Ganesh
- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust202.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Tue Feb 24 10:24:58 EST 1998
apdi pOdu!
Raaja in recent times, never spoke, speaks ill of anyone. But, donno, when it comes to vairamuthu, dharma adidhAn. In 96, i remember reading an article in Dhina Thandhi. In a public meeting, vairamuthu says " enakkum isaignyAni Ilayaraajavitkum idayE yendha pirachanayum illai. inru nammidayE isai amaiththukkondirukkum avar oru arivujeevi. avar azhaiththAl enrum nAn avarukku pAttezhudhuvEn. "
Ippadi pEsiyapin Raaja yEn manaththAngal vaithukkoLLavEndum? AanAl, Raaja has something deep inside against vairamuthu and donno what it is. Raaja, thannai ditch seydhavargaLaiyellam yEtrukkondu meendum isaiamaiththu tharuvArAm, Aanal yEno, vairamuthuvai accept seydhukoLLamAttArAm. Why?
My opinion: ivLo philosophy pEsum Raaja, indha hatred ai thookki pOttuvittu oru nalla kavignyarin varigaLai use seyyavEndum. Come on Raaja. You can do it.
Adhu sari, piravikurudan yeppadi "ovvoru thuLiyilum un mugam therigiradhu" enru pAduvAn?
Poetic justice, may be? yEdhEdhO kuppai vrigaLyellAm vittu vittu, indha pAttaiyum, vairamuththuvaiyum sAduvadhu yEno?
andha RamanarukkE veLichcham!!! RamanA, 'nAn' pOgamAttEngudhE. vidamudiyalayE RamanA.
offtrack:
'trample on my body
dance on my head
until this i
of mine is dead'
.......S Beck
- From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com)
on: Tue Feb 24 10:58:04 EST 1998
gOpAl :
In rAja pArvai kamal is not a piravi kurudan. He becomes blind in his childhood. He mentions (to Madhavi) that he lost his eyesight during a typhoid fever. There are flashback scenes where he sings/dances/plays with his nanny in which he has proper eyesight.
IMO all this adulation has gone to IR's head. He has lost his balance. All the problems with directors etc is bcos of this. The directors tend to treat IR as an equal partner in their creative venture while IR thinks he is doing a favour to them. All the newcomers like RVU etc suck up to IR mention what Raja wants to hear and he gives them a good score. All this talk about anmeegam has done IR no good. I was listening to avathAram today and there are lines in which he derides ARR's music : 'pAttunnu ninaippadhellam adhu pAttaha iruppadhillai - adhu en pAttu illai'. And one more : 'adhukkahathan isai avathAramA nAn porandhEnnu boologam pArattumE'. These lines have no connection to the story and is pure 'thaRperumai'. As much I enjoy IR's music I hate his inflated ego.
- From: N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Tue Feb 24 13:35:44 EST 1998
gopal
i totally disagree with u.IR kku ego irukkaradhulla thappu illai.even greats like chaplin was hajjar egoist.talent irukkara edathhula garvam irukka than seiyyum.naanum neeyum paesi mudikkara matter kidaiyadhu edhu.one more point,we really do not know about the cokld war between raja and vairamuthhu.appadi irukkaraechae eppadi gopal raja vairamuthhu pinnadi odanum.rajakku musiccum poda theriyum .lyricsum ezhudha theriyum.ana vairamutthuvirkku.......
guys, I HAVE LOADED MY PHOTO WITH IR IN THE NET.PLEASE GO AND SEE IT.THE ADDRESS IS
:http://www.chemeng.iisc.ernet.in
in that go to STUDENTS SITE
THEN CLICK ON RESEARCH STUDENTS SITE.
IN THAT CLICK ON GANESH N
AND FINALLY IN MY HOMEPAGE CLICK ON ILLAYARAJA LINKS AND SEE THE PHOTO
IRAIVANADI GANEE
IRAIVANADI GANEE
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Tue Feb 24 13:51:35 EST 1998
couldn't get into your homepage, Ganesh. anybody else having the same problem?
- From: Anand (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:06:01 EST 1998
Yes dudes,
Even I couldnt get into the homepage of Mr Ganesh.
And I feel Gopal is perfectly right. I would also like to add my views to it. Ganesh said IR as a great is bound to be an egoist. But an egoist is one who talks little about others. I hope everyone agrees to this. So what is RAJA's feeling towards Vairamuthu?... is it not jealosy? Remember you can never compare twp persons of differnt professions. Raja is extremely great as a MD. But definitely Vairamuthu is not a MD.. then why compare IR with VAiramuthu? IR denied VAiramuthu the due recognition and appreciation he deserved. That could be one reason why Vairamuthu left IR and joined AR. The latter could bring very great honors and awards to the kavignar. I am not glorifying VAiramuthu, but I simply agree that Vairamuthu is equally good in his profession. OK things stop with that. But this jealosy hasnt done any good for Raja. His music has missed the harmony of good lyrics of Vairamuthu. Raja has gone under a state of depression where he tends to compare himself with every tom and harry of the world even though they are not related to him or his profession. HE probably disguises this state of mind with his spiritualism
- From: Anand (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:32:07 EST 1998
I could go into Mr GAnesh's homepage. I did it through YAhoo Search. There is no www in the address which GAnesh had given try without it
- From: Anand (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:32:25 EST 1998
I could go into Mr GAnesh's homepage. I did it through YAhoo Search. There is no www in the address which GAnesh had given try without it
- From: Satish (@ caesar-224.cs.umn.edu)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:40:46 EST 1998
The address seems to be http://chemeng.iisc.ernet.in/ganee/raja.html
- From: Krish (@ sb-fw1-ny.i11.advantis.net)
on: Tue Feb 24 18:32:14 EST 1998
My opinions about the stuff reported about IR is that he is getting a bad rap. Unlike when ARR came to the scene when everyone immediately handed him the stardom, IR fought every inch of his way to gain his reputation. In fact, it was so ridiculous that AIR (the source for most tamil music lovers) would not even play some his most popular songs like: Vangona, Sorgam madhuvile, etc.. He never depended on anyone. His star was rising at the same time as Kamal and Rajini. I think he played a major role in the successes of vairamuthu, bharatiaja and maniratnam just to say a few names.
So given all that, when a GV threatens you or Jayalalitha insults you or Balachandar doesnt' respect your work, I feel IR was right in standing his ground. I would have done the same even without all the talents. I respect someone who stands up to the so-called powerbrokers in the industry.
It saddens and shames me that not only the people in TN (and India) realize the existence of such a rare genius in their midst at this time but spread uncalled for and undeserving dirt.
- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust253.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Tue Feb 24 18:39:11 EST 1998
PG
I really dont recollect the storyline of
RAjapArvai and that was a slip. Thanx. Why AvathAram? Listen to kOlangaL. The song (pallavi)goes like this:
''Thamizhan padachchu vachcha
metteduththu vadakkE thirudugirAn
oruththan arachchuvachcha mAveduththu
thirumba arachchidurAn''
Now, who is that oruththan? The words are very very tricky here. It can be either
1)MDs in the north lift tunes from the south. recycling is taking place...(this is the general tone/logic of the pallavi)
2)now, the hidden connotation is - MDs in the north lift tunes....this is happening on the one side. On the other side, one guy is recycling his old tunes.......Is he not referring to ARR in this place?? Now, why should he do that?? When kOlangaL was released, definitely Deva was not at his peak (in terms of aping prowess)And ARR was up the hill then. It sucks. The problem is/was if any of these lyricists had put their foot down, Raaja would have not done this. Again, in this area, Raaja has compensatory skills. He can write well too (His songs in nAdOdi thenral are firsthand testimony!!).
Anand:
"HE probably disguises this state of mind with his spiritualism"
That was the punch of the thread.
Yes, as Ganesh says, ego by itself, is a very vast topic. The fun and irony mixed here, if there is life form, there is ego, to me. And when thinking is involved, Omigod! there is no boundary.
Thanx to Raaja's ego. If there is someone who is so very bold and courageous out there in TN? It is Raaja. Now, I am veering off the context and Ravi is breathing at my neck. So stop stop :<)
- From: gOpAl (@ 1cust140.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Tue Feb 24 18:54:55 EST 1998
Ganesh:
Good snap with Raaja. OK. Who is Ganesh?:) The one in red T Shirt??
- From: Dev Mannemela (@ softgate1.softimage.com)
on: Tue Feb 24 19:12:51 EST 1998
Ganesh,
What are the "Western" and "Classical" (music ?) fusion you talk about?
And what is "Side B" of Mozart's 9th???
Dev
- From: Anand (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Tue Feb 24 23:10:32 EST 1998
Ganesh,
Admit you were lucky for that life time opportunity... buddy. I meant your snap with IR
Anand
- From: Rajesh (@ pdxss902.jf.intel.com)
on: Tue Feb 24 23:11:31 EST 1998
Gopal,
In the song 'Tamizhan padachi vecha' I don't think
he would have referred to ARR. I felt it was a
followup to saying, Northies copy Southies. Well,
ur interpretation may be different. You may say ARR, others may feel it refers to so many MDs. So
why single out ARR here?
- From: Swami (@ 129.252.22.135)
on: Thu Feb 26 01:21:33 EST 1998
I feel our interprettation of the songs would be very much influenced by the bias we all have for IR. Afterall to know that Raaja doesnt write the lyrics to all his tunes(which in a way or other seem to glorify the MD himself and seperate him from the rest )is very important . This philosophy of glorification has been in vogue from NIZHALGAl itself. Remember the song " Madai thiranthu thaavumnathi alai naan". The early life sufferings of IR would have made him vow to himself to prove something to the world. And when he did it perhaps he found reasons for being a braggadacio! Who cares afterall we are all after his music!!! Forget if he pulls ARR or Anumalik or etc etc. See he doesnt pull our leg.
- From: N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Fri Feb 27 14:21:46 EST 1998
thanks guys for visiting my homepage.i totally don't agree to the saying that vairamuthhu is as great as raja.his songs are monotonous when he sits with ARR.eg the song chinna chinn aasai,enai kaanavillayae naeetroduu...
well coming to my discussions.raja was explaining to me the niceties of culture music and he says that in the west everything is written down meticulouslee.that's what raja is preciselee doing.recently i happened to listen to a mozart symphonee( arecorded one).i heard a piece which had close resemblance to ARR'S puthhum pudhu bhhoooomi vaendum .... from thiruda thiruda.
and his song kuluvallilae from muthhu is a direct lift fron mj's dangerous.
what a shame !!!
I agree that even IR lifted i love u song frm boney m in the film priya.raja himself ahd agreed to that.the point that i want to drive is IR HAS NOT LEARNED MUSIC BUT REALISED MUSIC else we would not be talking about him.
IRAIVANADI GANEE
ps:i'am sorry for giving a wrong address for my homepage.yaa!there is no www in my address.
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Fri Feb 27 15:46:01 EST 1998
ganEsh,
you seem to have learnt one thing very well from iLayarAjA - to
market yourself well and create an air about you - sorry. You
haven't given us the complete details about your meeting with
rAjA which was the topic's main intention, as I understand.
Rather you seem to be unnecessarily stretching the topic desulting
here and there. kumudham romba padippIrgaLO?
No offence meant.
- From: Rajesh (@ pdxss902.jf.intel.com)
on: Fri Feb 27 21:22:09 EST 1998
Arul,
In my opinion,main thing IR didn't know properly was to market himself.
- From: N.GANESH (@ 202.54.37.18)
on: Sat Feb 28 11:07:01 EST 1998
Arul,
i think u have not gone through my discussions before.well the discussion i had with IR regarding
fusion music goes like this:
Q: i happened to read an article in kumudham about your interview.adhula the kumudham editor had asked u about a particular composition( I MET BACH IN MY HOUSE AND WE HAD A TALK......from HOW TO NAME IT).We as hearers felt as if you r greeting Bach ( infact ur music conveyed that precisely).
adhukku u told that u wanted highlight the classical ragas hidden in Bach's original score .
Immediatelee i asked raja "ayya westrn musicla violin and giutars than adhigama irukkum.ongoloda HTNI albumla tablavoda neenga classical touches koduthhadhai naan fusion musicnnu sollalama?
IR:HTNI NAAN KAY AANDIRUKKARA VIDHAM IS NOT COMPLETELY FUSION MUSIC.IT'S JUST MEANT FOR HIGHLIGHTING THE CLASSICAL RAGA'S IN WESTERN MUSIC.I COMPOSE A PARTICULAR PIECE IN WESTERN NOTES AND SIMULTANEOUSLY I HIGHLIGHT THE CLASSICAL RAGAS IN THAT SCORE.
- From: Kannan (@ 98ccb91e.ipt.aol.com)
on: Mon Sep 6 05:43:02 EDT 1999
Ganesh,
I went into your home page, but i cudn't able to see the picture.
- From: Ram (@ )
on: Tue Jun 18 23:32:39 EDT 2002
Folks:
How come the movie Raja Paarvai doesn't even have five votes on IMDB? Given the number of IR and Kamal fans, I would have thought that 100s would have voted.
RP
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