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ARR and IR the only trendsetters in TFM in the last 25 years

Topic started by Arjuna (@ 137.73.8.176) on Fri May 16 09:26:38 EDT 2003.
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ARR was a trend setter..All the other music directors other than IR did nothing new!! They are just following the footsteps of IR and ARR..ARR need not waste his time on films that are cheap and he is concentrating on better films in Hindi..It is quite funny when u ppl say HJ,YSR are better than the great ARR..ARR has gone into the history books..The other music directors will be forgotten!!Even during the time,when IR was at this peak, MDs like Shankar ganesh and Chandrabose were hyped so much to be the best..But look at them now..they are no where to be seen..IR and ARR are the only music directors whom the tfm industry will remember in the next 25 years and more!!ARR is GOD!!

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• From: dhana (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Fri May 16 10:29:44 EDT 2003
  
  But why ARR is giving contious flop music in all his reent movies.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.117.103) on: Fri May 16 10:44:44 EDT 2003
  
  that's what he's tryin to say dhana..
  as they say "form is temporary, class is permanent"
  
  why else do u think IR is still doing music? He is a genius by his own right. jus becoz his few recent movies flopped doesnt make him any less a MD.
  same w/ Rahman.
  
  
• From: tat' (@ 134.244.171.98) on: Fri May 16 12:54:50 EDT 2003
  
  Exactly ARR is gone into history books. We almost forgot that ARR ever existed. Atleast IR was giving on and off hits. ARR is giving totla flop. Also he is confused now. He dont know what to give to whom. His latest Udhaya was complete crap. It the form is temporary and that temporary is too long then he doesnt have a class.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 192.127.94.7) on: Fri May 16 13:06:21 EDT 2003
  
  IR and ARR, both of them are trend setters without a doubt. But there is still a difference.
  The was/is/will be nobody who can create music like what IR did. In the case of ARR there are a lot of others who produce the same kind of music(HJ, YSR, VS and a lot others).
  
  To me, IR tops the list of the most creative music. ARR can be no-where.
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.97) on: Fri May 16 13:16:28 EDT 2003
  
  Oh, here we go again with the beating of breast, gnashing of teeth, pulling hair out, tossing dirt upon, and whipping with chains.
  
  
• From: dhana (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Fri May 16 13:45:09 EDT 2003
  
  yeh.I agree with the topic.There is no doubt in that IR and ARR are trend setter.
  
  My question is whose trend is ruling now?
  
  
• From: JLT (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Fri May 16 14:05:14 EDT 2003
  
  Venki, ARR was careful enuf not just to follow IRs style (even though it was a succeful one) but created his own, where as the new MDs cudnt strive for their own sound.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 192.127.94.7) on: Fri May 16 15:13:20 EDT 2003
  
  The requirement for most of the MD's these days is survival. Survival somehow.
  There were days, before the entry of ARR, I was thinking why there were no movie songs like the jingles. My favourite gingles were 'Ariya suvai udhayam pudhiya sunrise...' also 'Idho paaru shripet jaru..'. Then came ARR with the Bang a Big Bang with 'Chinna Chinna Aasai ... '. A trend was set.
  
  Only IR is not taken over by the trend. Man, I hate to hear other's songs.
  
  
• From: Sridhar Chandrasekar (@ 216.73.148.245) on: Fri May 16 16:22:22 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Guys/Gals:
  
  Aesthetically speaking, IR towers all above Indian music composers - he is a genius who has masterfully blended Classical (Indian & Western), Jazz, and Folk repeatedly and made the output popular to boot! When one listens to internationally acclaimed music composers such as Yanni, Kitaro, Vollenweider, et al, one feels sad that IR who is even superior to these folks never got the international acclaim that he richly deserves..
  Well, IR and ARR - it is an unfair, preposterous and lunatic comparison. It is like comparing Sivaji Ganesan and Mohan (remember the guy who used to imitate Kamalhasan)!! Pl grow up and acknowledge genius when you have the luck of being his contemporary. I always believe that I lucked out by growing up when IR hit it big.. He has given enchanting moments of sublime quality of a whole generation of South Indians who grew up in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And what is stunning is that he is still prolific - the music in Azhagi, Bharathi, Kaasi, Solla Maranda Kadai, Manasellam, Julie Ganapathy are fantastic and clearly superior to the other folks who pass off as composers. Let us bow before genius and be enthralled and as I said before thank our stars!
  
  
• From: JPM (@ 62.117.116.98) on: Fri May 16 17:06:03 EDT 2003
  
  Ilayaraja is undoubtedly the most prolific composer of all time in Tfm. Nevertheless we cant take away what Rahman has contributed to tamil music. I personally think that it was Rahman whose songs can be listened to, outside the context of the movie while at the same time fitting the movie it was intended to be in.
  That Rahman set a new trend in tfm is an undeniable fact and anyone who doesnt have retrograde amnesia will well remember what Roja did to TFM. So did his next few films. I think Rahman followed a prescribed strategy in which he became the sole star of TFM and dominated TFM for a period of time, though the amount of time is minscule compared to the years dominated by Raja. Rahman, nevertheless, was responsible for the modernisation and hence propagated a sorta revolution in tfm from more traditional (or more modern 80s) forms of music to more modern concepts. This modern approach to music and sound engineering was a nascent science in tfm at that time (90s) and no one can deny the significance of Rahman in this regard. The argument that it was for good or bad is highly subjective.
  Some people like to stick with traditional music whereas the MTV-era youth stick to modern tfm music. Both of them are not wrong in that they contribute to the evolution of tfm.
  
  On a personal note, I conclude that Rahman, since achieving the heights of Superstardom: the most significant example being a mobile phone company choosing him as a sort of brand ambassador, has chosen experimentation to cliche. Something unique for a music director in India. Probably the first of his kind in India. Surely Airtel had done its homework in market research. This is just to prove that he has the mass-pulling power however non-profitable his recent ventures may have been. In fact, I think that his recent very serious experiments, are aimed at his hard-core fans and not at the general public who seem to have settled into an nostalgic-rahman mode which is were the other rahman-wannabes come in. IMHO, most of the music directors either try to emulate Raja or Rahman most of the time, and moments they are not, have become very rare. Vidyasagar, Yuvan Shankar show some promise but they have to show more than what they are doing at present, to get out of the literal prison created by raja and rahman. all imho.
  Whil Raja was prolific in simple, yet unbelievably memorable tunes (i wont include interludes since they r so 70-80 for me) and Rahman who has his own share of great tunes and amazing sound engineering (which is no less: considering what good is a great tune if not given in a good package).
  I am 23 now. While I accept that Raja was King in the great hits of yesteryears, I am somehow convinced he is out of touch with the present in his more old fashioned melodies (well.. except his recent masterpieces like apdi pakkurathenna, rokkam irukkira and Muthu Muthu Pennukkoru :) ) in his recent films. But Sadly, Rahman seems to be out of touch with most other than his devout fans in his parthale paravasam, baba, Kadhal virus, udhaya and paarsuram.
  IMHO, these movies contains great songs (well, u may call me biased if u dont listen to Adhisaya Thirumanam, Maya Maya, Vaan Nila and others, Anjanam and Jack 'n' Jill / Muppadhu Nimidam).
  I dont have a conclusion.. as in the end, its the ppl who decide what is good against the bad. Individual opinions are lesser than public opinions, after all has been said and done.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Fri May 16 21:57:00 EDT 2003
  
  The present trend setter ARR should give atleast one hit at present.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 219.65.118.14) on: Sat May 17 03:11:10 EDT 2003
  
  the present trend setter needs a movie that lives upto his calibre.
  
  and did u realise that the last few releases of Rahman had absolutely no marketing in terms of trailers, ads and the works?
  Almost all films releasing nowadays flood the tv w/ ads, trailers, contests and what not. Rahman was just unfortunate that neither Kadhal Virus nor Udhaya had pre release hype. Same for Parasuram. But w/ Boys next, u can be pretty sure about the kinda publicity the movie gets. ANd THAT's when u'll see ppl's +ve feedback to ARR's magic.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Sat May 17 03:53:48 EDT 2003
  
  There is one thing that must never be forgotten. IR is not a magician. He is the real thing.
  
  No matter how great the greatest conductors of our time like Herbert von Karajan, Lorin Mazel, Leonard Berstein, etc. are, ppl will always have at least one level of respect higher for the ones responsible for the actual work. The composers.
  
  Having said that, its stupid to compare ARR to IR. It is even more stupid to wait to hear what ARR has said abt IR or how much he likes IR's music.
  
  There is only one composer in India and that is Ilayaraja. Ilayaraja composes orchestral music of great complexity and great melody. Additionally, he composes tunes for songs too. Now try beating that! Show me a composer, not only in India, but anywhere in the world who have done that or who can do that.
  
  From the simple yet powerfully emotional baby child like music for the little baby in Mundhanai Mudichu to the very complex and bombastic but powerful as ever music in Lajja, AND from the village dappanguthus from his early movies to the beauty of Nee Partha in Hey Ram.
  
  It's not sheer luck nor is it magic. It's not temporary delusion nor is it a stunt. It's not a cut&paste and nor is it a fluke. But rather it's juz our .....Ilayaraaja.
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.97) on: Sat May 17 09:04:21 EDT 2003
  
  oh bombast
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.103) on: Sat May 17 11:54:53 EDT 2003
  
  Here is a question for the lauding IR fans: Certainly IR is masterful at creating melodies, harmonies, counter-point, chordal progressions and thematic elements. I think he's a bit weaker with catchy hooks, bass riffs and engaging beats, and I don't care for his MOOD BREAKING theme inventions which work with the movie but against the song .. I mean ..with all his inventive writing, it's as if he's trying to prevent from getting into a groove or building a solid piece of music with his constant transitions. So while I can appreciate the lushness of his writing, why is it that IR has doesn't move me, doesn't make me want to dance, sing, tap feet, or listen to his music over and over, yet "lesser" composers have!!? Explain that to me.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.109.34) on: Sat May 17 22:39:40 EDT 2003
  
  outsider,
  i cudnt have put it better. Some of IR's compositions make me respect him as an MD, but never bring out ne kinda emotion outta me. I wasnt able to explain it too!
  
  Malarodu malaraaga from Bombay was one song that almost moved me to tears. JC's version of KM was touching too.
  Endrendrum Punnagai from Alai Payuthey always gets me in the groove. I jus cant stop nodding my head and tapping my feet and have to control myself in public places from singin out loud.
  Pachai Nirame, Udhaya udhaya, Nahin Saamne tu(Taal), Pudhu vellai mazhai(Roja) and a lot of other songs by Rahman(esp from Taal) give me goosebumps. I mean, It kinda has a different feel to it. Aaaw, cant explain it! :)
  
  

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