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What is the reason for Karthik Raja's failure and YSR's success ?

Topic started by Chochan (@ 61.11.85.140) on Fri Feb 14 03:58:37 EST 2003.
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Karthik Raja entered in to film world some expectation when ARR has entered with Roja. Karthik composed two Rajini songs Pandianin Rajyathil and Oru Mina Mina (Ulzhaipali Rajini moive).

He gave hits like Ullasam, but most of the songs were copies songs (i forgot the site name that was mentioned in Antha Vikatan magazine). He got chance for one Kamal Hassan film also.

But YSR from the begining enjoying success (not like ARR). But able to maintain his status in the Music Industy. Respectable Audio sales.

What do you think ?

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Responses:

• From: Paran (@ 210.193.13.137) on: Fri Feb 14 04:27:41 EST 2003
  
  inthe..."not like ARR"...-ne yennathe mean panniringe?..
  
  ARR was not enjoying success from beginning?..
  
  u were comparing KR and YSR..but still involved ARR...yennapa nyayam ithe
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Fri Feb 14 04:36:22 EST 2003
  
  1.I think the commercial success of the film has a very important role ....
  
  2."Most of them were copy songs "- I don't think so ,my friend ...SOme inspiration may be there ,but going to the extent of saying that most of the songs is not acceptable
  
  3.KR is a very innovative MD ..He uses LOOPS very less ,i supppose ..He tries to avoid artifical music which has a got a good craze now ....The recent Three Roses is a good album ,but for these kind of albums peopel look for more Modern rock kind of music which is bit missing
  
  4.YSR is in line with the western rock music and so has picked up the Youth !!!! ,while KR is more classic and has not picked up the YOUTH ....
  
  5.Even after a classic DUMM DUMM DUMM(also a hit) KR has not good films ..This is called BAD LUCK !!!
  
  6.KR has given some bad albums like vanchinathaan ,Enna koru Magan Pirrapan ( except for a song) ..while YSR has not given bad albums ...
  
  Even though YSR has got good commercial success ,i feel KR' music is long lasting than YSR ..For example YSR has not given classics like GRahan ,Ullasam ,ALbum ,Ullam Kollai Poguthey ,DDD
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Fri Feb 14 05:17:36 EST 2003
  
  MR:
  Good analysis.
  
  
• From: Ramanan (@ 217.44.99.184) on: Fri Feb 14 05:44:16 EST 2003
  
  KR is not as succesful as YSR for the following reasons
  1. KR has limited creativity. Maybe he doesn't rely on loops much but his songs sound very repetitive.
  2. KR has a bad name in the industry for being rude and hard to work with.
  3. KR has given a lot of bad albums in the past times.
  4. KR's music is not long lasting. Three Roses was dismal. The songs are poor and it is obvious that KR is trying to use YSR's tactics of the western music to win fans but it not sucessful.
  5. KR is heavily influenced by Micheal Jackson and uses too many of his samples.
  
  Reasons why YSR is succesful.
  1. His music is long lasting and caters to people of all ages.
  2. YSR does not sound repetitive in his songs.
  3. YSR tries to create a new style for every album.
  4. YSR is easy to work with and is ther3fore getting more offers.
  5. YSR knows how to win the crowds with his blend of Western and Indian music.
  
  
• From: shanmuga priya (@ 61.11.85.209) on: Fri Feb 14 06:32:10 EST 2003
  
  what about yuvanshankar raja's new relase of kaadhal kondaen
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Fri Feb 14 06:37:16 EST 2003
  
  KAdhal Kondain songs are good and are better than punnagai poovae ...
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Fri Feb 14 07:04:22 EST 2003
  
  MR, Also KR is more viewed in the shadow of IR though his style is very distinct from IR.KR gives atleast one chance to IR/Bhava, while YSR do not, he keeps is professional diff from family. This again puts him in Shadow. vanchinathaan is a good techno music album. But that was not suitable to Vijaykanth. See him in Amul baby song.Same problem with Alexander. IR nicely modified that in Ramana, songs he has done in Classical, but for re-recording on techno music.
  
  
• From: girish (@ 202.9.177.244) on: Fri Feb 14 07:32:13 EST 2003
  
  hello
  karthick raja came in to the field when ARR is in the acme,so he cant catch the first,but even though he withsranded with some movies
  but ysr is little bit buisness fellow he know the audience tasteand he going on that way
  thats all but KR is brilliant than YSK.
  after uzhaipali a rajni movie illayaraja stopped to come to the musical composing karthickraja is took over that wrok and he is going on in a great way....... no one will not be equal to musical maestro ILLAYARAJA even rahman tooo
  
  
• From: girish (@ 202.9.177.244) on: Fri Feb 14 07:32:23 EST 2003
  
  hello
  karthick raja came in to the field when ARR is in the acme,so he cant catch the first,but even though he withsranded with some movies
  but ysr is little bit buisness fellow he know the audience tasteand he going on that way
  thats all but KR is brilliant than YSK.
  after uzhaipali a rajni movie illayaraja stopped to come to the musical composing karthickraja is took over that wrok and he is going on in a great way....... no one will not be equal to musical maestro ILLAYARAJA even rahman tooo
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Mon Feb 17 16:32:44 EST 2003
  
  I prefer KR to YSR. YSR should stop singing if I should like him.
  KR has given lovely songs in Ullaasam, Kaadhala Kaadhala , Naam ruvar namaku iruvar, Alexander.
  I feel Manickam film is his best.
  
  
• From: vanavil (@ 203.195.193.83) on: Tue Feb 18 01:15:03 EST 2003
  
  Alakamperumal who did Dumm Dumm Dumm with KR is currently directing a film with srikanth and merra jasmine in the lead. Who is the MD, anyone having any idea?
  
  
• From: f#min (@ 61.11.85.46) on: Tue Feb 18 02:13:13 EST 2003
  
  I will agree with Ramanan!!!!!He is rude with all producers and directors and has got a big ego the size of his double egg head.....at the end of the day his producers cannot even walk properly cause of the big hole down under KR gives them......????
  
  
• From: Kum_Laden (@ 24.100.182.75) on: Tue Feb 18 02:31:30 EST 2003
  
  What Ramanan wrote is absolute blindness. YSR might be good but KR is no second to him. KR has given unique albums such as 'Album', DumX3, Ullah Kollai Poguthey etc.
  
  I dont see anything of YSR come close to the songs of 'Album' except for Nandha!
  
  The answer of the question Why KR didnt succeed is the question " Why Anbe Sivam failed while Dhool dhooled! "
  
  Laden
  
  
• From: Lankan-Gyal (@ 217.44.99.198) on: Tue Feb 18 03:26:16 EST 2003
  
  Actually in 3 roses,Album, DUMx3 and UKP most of the songs sounded similiar.
  Chellami Chellam is like Ullam Kollai Pohghuthe.
  Kadhal Vaanoli is like Oh Dil se Pyar.
  KR is a big crap!
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.244) on: Tue Feb 18 14:15:30 EST 2003
  
  Kum_Laden, I tend to sympathize with you. There was once a time where I preferred YSR over KR, but that's not the way it is anymore. After hearing 'Dum Dum Dum' and 'Vaanjinathan', I started to develop somewhat of an affinity for KR's songs.
  
  As someone mentionned in another thread, methinks as though KR takes after GA, while YSR takes after IR, now this in terms of commercial success, not quality. Remember, Gangai Amaran entered three years after Ilayaraja, but left the field of MDing nine or so years ago, whereas Ilayaraja is still riding high in the field.
  In a sense, there is a correlation. KR's filmscores are few and far between, while YSR's are more numerous nowadays.
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Thu Feb 20 08:55:03 EST 2003
  
  " KR has a bad name in the industry for being rude and hard to work with. "
  
  Ramanan,have u ever been a producer and approached karthik raaja ....??
  These points are out of our reach,verification and let us not comment on these
  
  "Chellami Chellam is like Ullam Kollai Pohghuthe."-The style is same ,but the tune is definetly different .
  
  
  
  "Kadhal Vaanoli is like Oh Dil se Pyar."-Well,i Don't think so !!!!Both are entirely different my friend ...
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Thu Feb 20 09:09:20 EST 2003
  
  purv ,
  DUMM DUMM DUMM is ok ,but did u start liking KR from vanjinathaan ?????Nothing wrong ,but surprising !!!!!!!VANjinathaan has one really bad song( Sirrikum siripillae) and others are really averegae numbers ,but i agree it is a different album from KR ,esp Amul Baby song
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.179.185.126) on: Thu Feb 20 17:48:59 EST 2003
  
  Here is my two paise!!!
  
  Music industry is governed by consumerism these days. Consumers are kings. ARR and YSR have succumbed to this and say, 'well, its alright, we'll give you what you want or we'll give you what we think you want!' Consumers are happy and are in a sense, experiencing their power to rule the music output. Most 'successful' MDs these days, I should admit, are so consumer focussed that they have forgotten the fact that good music has the power to stand on its own leg (Does this explain why TFM is in a vicious cycle of degeneration?).
  
  KR says, 'Well, I'll give you what I like, and you either take it or leave it.' IR does the same. While, IR can afford to do that, does KR have the strength of conviction and patience to change the tide? Only time will tell. I notice that he is currently engulfed by self-doubt. This is evident from his two recent products, Album and Three Roses. While 'Album' is filled with confidence, 'Three Roses' has uncertainity written all over it (I do acknowledge the fact that Album was made much after Three Roses).
  
  I was quiet pissed off with KR's statements in the Saregamaremix interview for Three roses. Statement for example, 'Flute, actually was my favourite instrument, but all the music directors here copied my dad's style and used it everywhere and in every song which made me hate that instrument'. If he didn't intend to mean this way, he needs to be more careful. He already has people thinking that he is arrogant.
  
  No true musician will ever say that they hate a music instrument. This to me is an unforgivable sin.......
  
  
• From: . (@ 172.179.185.126) on: Thu Feb 20 17:52:26 EST 2003
  
  'quite pissed off'
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.25.28) on: Thu Feb 20 20:34:04 EST 2003
  
  Well, Mr. Ramki, I did avoid Vaanjinathan at first, but recently went back to listen to the songs just because I needed a short respite from listening to IR's works. I listened to the songs, and I liked most of them.
  
  
• From: Chochan (@ 61.11.80.188) on: Sat Feb 22 04:52:44 EST 2003
  
  Success of the film also matters a lot for their success. KR hasn't enjoyed any good success. DDD is not a big hit.
  
  YSR is good in understanding the market need and addressing the same properly.
  
  

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