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S. Jaanaki's Quality

Topic started by K Parbhakar Shaastri (@ 195.219.76.228) on Sat May 31 11:15:07 EDT 2003.
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Quality-wise, does Vaani comes anywhere near to Jaanaki?

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• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Wed Jun 4 00:41:14 EDT 2003
  
  This post is not to point anything on Sj's voice quality, but to throw my opinion/view on "Versatility of a singer".
  
  Singing for a child or old woman or a boy by changing voice would lead to just a mimicry. It may be another feather in the singer's cap, thats all. I have listened to many mimicry experts singing in Latha's voice (ditto) esp., the song "Naakoyee ae manguhay..". Junta used to clap like anything. Does this mean, the mimicry expert is a versatile singer? There is an immediate example Sadan, who was part of MSV's team. He can change his voice for a child, lady and what not. But we never even remember that gentleman :-(
  
  IMHO, a singer who can sing any type of song in terms of Bhavam/expression, scales, raaga/talas, styles besides maintaining melody with a focus on diction in any language, is a V.Singer. Through their voice, the listener should be influenced with the experssion irrespective of language. That is "Versatility" :-)
  
  I repeat... this is my personal view.
  
  
• From: satish (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Wed Jun 4 02:17:32 EDT 2003
  
  Ravi
  
  pls give ur mail id. u r one of the rare persons who has thought abt this aspect of the great S.Janaki..i want to talk to u about this.
  
  my mail id is sonasat@hotmail.com
  
  regards
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Wed Jun 4 11:00:05 EDT 2003
  
  
  Subbu, I do accept your views. Maybe I should have mentioned 'Versatility in Voice' rather than
  'Versitality as singer'.
  
  Satish, sure we can talk. My email-id is ravi_odiyur@lycos.com
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Wed Jun 4 11:11:45 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu
  "IMHO, a singer who can sing any type of song in terms of Bhavam/expression, scales, raaga/talas, styles besides maintaining melody with a focus on diction in any language, is a V.Singer. Through their voice, the listener should be influenced with the experssion irrespective of language. That is "Versatility" :-)"
  
  So my question to you is: Does Janaki satisfy all or most of the criteria you mentioned here to be called as a versatile singer?
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 210.214.115.253) on: Wed Jun 4 12:52:54 EDT 2003
  
  Kaumudi,
  
  IMHO, my answer is NO. She has limitation in songs with Sogam, Devotion etc.
  
  Again this is my personal view based on my liking. It may differ from person to person. :-)
  
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.72.95) on: Wed Jun 4 15:03:18 EDT 2003
  
  Kaumudi:
  
  How do we convince these people here about the depth of SJs devotional repertoire? I think we need to bring Saravanan momentarily out of the Vani mould and request him to write some critiques on SJ and her work. Sarvanan, can you hear me? Please :-)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed Jun 4 15:22:56 EDT 2003
  
  the last time i heard, the depth of SJ's devotional repertoire(sure this is a GRE word..Naaz help requested) is 17 feet...NOM to SJ fans including me..:-)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed Jun 4 15:35:51 EDT 2003
  
  Sogam:just a few
  Thalattu maari ponathey
  chinna thaayaval
  kaadhalin deepam ondru
  mani oosai kettu ezhunthu
  paadu nilavey thaen kavidhai
  azhagiya kanney ninaivugal munney
  dhoorathil naan kanda unmugam(didnt she get an award for the telegu or kannada version of this?)
  kaatril enthan geetham
  thaeney thenpaandi meeney
  oru kanam oru yugamaga
  pon vaanam panneer(very light sogam)
  
  Bakthi:unmayavey few
  singara velaney deva..:-)
  maadha un kovilil
  
  how many bakthi films came when she was in her prime?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Wed Jun 4 16:26:43 EDT 2003
  
  Labaku -
  
  Repertoire: List (or inventory)of songs, acts, performance an artiste or a troupe is prepared to perform.
  
  Gre-at to be of help :-)
  
  Did anybody notice that the person who wrote the intro to this thread has already made up his mind? Or should that have been in bold as well?
  
  
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Wed Jun 4 16:52:38 EDT 2003
  
  PS/SJ/VJ - Mukanigal of TFM (LIKE MAA, PALA, VAAZHAI). SJ's rendering of that "Amma........." in 'Isaiarasi' song, film Thai mookambigai - Watch how she brings out the repressed emotional outburst of a dumb woman. she has that extra 'kuzhaivu' in her voice like MS has.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed Jun 4 17:04:33 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu,
  Parunga Mythila PS'a 'LIKE MAA'nnu solranga..appa original MAA kedayatha?
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Wed Jun 4 17:38:27 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu
  Well, I beg to differ. The devotional songs that LLD has mentioned herein are only film songs. One has to listen to her private albums to rejoice the bhakthi aspect of her renditions. As Mythila rightly points out, I think the repertoire (thanks Naaz!) of the trio of PS/SJ/VJ is just a sheer listening pleasure irrespective of what genre they sing in.
  
  I can mention many of Janaki's songs (in telugu and a couple in Malayalam) in the sogam and bhakthi category that may not melt rocks, but will definitely fill the listeners' hearts with an immense emotional feeling.
  
  Should I add "AIMUHONHAF - All in my utmost humble opinion and not to hurt anyone's feelings" at the end?
  
  And by the way, I don't like the title either. I was so turned off by the title that I decided not to write much, although I am a big SJ fan too. What good discussion is this kind of a title statement going to generate anyway? Was any aimed at in the first place?
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Thu Jun 5 00:09:46 EDT 2003
  
  Hello Friends,
  
  I am sure that we are not fanatics of an individual. Fanatics generally, for the sake of putting up their favorites, use unhealthy language and distort facts to suit their purpose. I accept that there are lots of fans for SJ, but it doesn't mean the everyone has to accept that SJ is the greatest singer. Everyone is entitled to his / her opinion, isn't it?
  
  I may feel that VJ or PS is better than SJ - that doesn't make me right always and others wrong - it is ONLY my opinion. Why do junta feel that everyone has to compulsorily accept SJ as the greatest? I am hopeful that people would have the maturity to respect other’s opinion?
  
  I have a great passion, respect and love for Music since 50’s….till 90s, and I love each singer for their individual talents. I openly say that SJ is NOT the only great versatile singer in Tamil film music, though I love many of her songs. I find different kinds of beauty in each voice of MLV, P Leela, Jikki, JamunRaNi, PS, VJ, LRE, SJ, and the new generation singers from Chitra, Sujatha etc. Perhaps, my open view discomfort you all? If so, I can not help. I believe I am entitled to my opinion.
  
  I would like to conclude that every singer (am confining to south) is great in some or many areas and at the same time each one has their own limitations. But more or less SPB in Male category and VJ in Female category have wide horizon of their talents and versatility, though VJ is not my No.1 favorite singer. This also, according to my frame of versatility in a singer (NOT a MIMICRY expert).
  
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Thu Jun 5 09:45:58 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu
  I didn't mean to offend you or anything like that. I apologize if I did so. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and I am not trying to deprive you of that. But it is the tone of your post that kind of hurt me and possibly a couple of other SJ fans (including the very last line in your latest post).
  
  And also I am not one of those fans who try to convince people that SJ is the greatest or someone else is the greatest. I wonder what made you think that I was canvassing for her although I did make a single statement in that sense in my previous post.
  
  In any case, I don't wish to dwell on this kind of an activity that spoils the atmosphere around here.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Thu Jun 5 09:54:59 EDT 2003
  
  Labaku -
  
  Ododi Vandhu Seidha Udhavikku "Thanks" Ledha? :-)
  
  
• From: sai (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Thu Jun 5 10:18:03 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu, I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion but are you kidding when you say that VJ is more versatile than SJ? VJ can sing only carnatic based songs. SJ is the complete singer
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Thu Jun 5 10:27:08 EDT 2003
  
  LLD Naaradhar, trying to add fuel to already boiling fire...??
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.72.95) on: Thu Jun 5 11:55:30 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu - It would be unfair to call SJ a mere mimicry expert.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu Jun 5 13:34:43 EDT 2003
  
  Naaz,
  Neenga thaan ennoda official english teacher...Teacher'kku ethukku "Thanks" sollanum?Ungalukku entha vishiyathilayavadhu doubts(apart from english) irundhudhunna night entha time aanalum kavalapadama call pannunga..Its my pleasure to help you.:-)
  Mythila,
  Aanalum neenga PS'a 'LIKE MAA'nnu solli irukka kudathu..:-)..athu manikka mudiatha kutram.
  Subbu,
  SJ fans DONT consider her great coz she does mimicry..so stamping her as ONLY mimicry artist and sweeping her other singing capabilities under the carpet is really unfair.
  IMHO,she is the best in emotions..and gosh..u hav to watch her sing..like a robot..lol..noo expressions in face or hand movements..but voice does everything..the thullal in the prelude of aagaya gangai..the kirakkam in ithu oru nila kaalam..the erotica in meendum meendum vaa..the kurumbu in naan paada varuvaayo..the grasp of tune in metti oli kaatrodu and santhathil paadatha kavidhai..the high pitch(her FORTE) ease in adi aathadi and konjam sangeetham katru thaa..
  the gasping of air in inji idupazhaga..
  she may not have PS's pronounciation or VJ's voice..but both of them cannot reach her in ehibiting the emotional content of the song strictly IMHO..:-)
  
  
• From: Rani Padmini (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Thu Jun 5 14:23:48 EDT 2003
  
  Chithra is the best. When she came to tfm she put the mukkanigal out of work. So Chithra is better than the mukkanigal. She is amirdam.
  
  
• From: Brat (@ 168.122.13.40) on: Thu Jun 5 19:14:02 EDT 2003
  
  From: av (@ 132.206.72.95) on: Wed Jun 4 15:03:18 EDT 2003
  
  
  Kaumudi:
  
  How do we convince these people here about the depth of SJs devotional repertoire? I think we need to bring Saravanan momentarily out of the Vani mould and request him to write some critiques on SJ and her work. Sarvanan, can you hear me? Please :-)
  
  Is saravanan listening??
  
  
  
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Thu Jun 5 22:33:52 EDT 2003
  
  Kaumudi, av and others:
  
  From my long interaction with this forum I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not easy to convert people who have strong opinions either for or against some artist. When you notice strong opinions it is best to accept that as a fact and stop putting forth more and more arguments.. they will be wasteful anyway. Perhaps, after a long time of arguing you will lose energy and then see the truth in what I am trying to say.
  
  

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