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Is Ilayaraja Made Directors or the Dirctors Made IlayaRaja

Topic started by Bala (@ 209.0.156.100) on Fri Sep 27 13:55:21 EDT 2002.
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There is always a dwelling talk in the south indian film , whether Ilayaraja's music made the Directors popular among the public or the Dirctors Made IlayaRaja popular among the public.
There were a lot of controversies among the legendary directors and Ilayaraja due to that.So many Directors they have chosen different Music directors to prove that they can stand without IlayaRaja.Will they succeed? Lets discuss about that on this thread...

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• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Fri Sep 27 15:30:53 EDT 2002
  
  Directors making IR famous ellam konja kalathukku thaan..in his starting years..
  Then he was on a ride..he made many Directors popular..Cassette sales goes high and people will come to know the director,producer,lyricist name thru cassette even if the film is a utter flop..but there is a big share from lyricist..
  Sundarrajan,Kovaithambi,rajkiran and many others...
  we can say IR was helped by BR,Panju Arunachalam,MR(who gave him hitech films) in shaping his career..any director who gave IR a chance to venture into untouched areas in film music(atleast by himself) then they are surely helping him in one way or the other..
  
  
• From: K (@ 12.104.48.60) on: Fri Sep 27 16:38:46 EDT 2002
  
  The first few movies like annakili, Kavikuyil, Lakshmi, Chakkalathi, Uravadum Nenjam which popularized Ilayaraaja were all by not very famous directors.
  
  Because his songs were becoming so popular, he was approached by big directors like Sridhar, K Balchandar, Big producers like K Balaji, Devar films, AVM and Big stars like Sivaji.
  
  With regards to the last point, in my opinion only Panju Arunachalam has been the one who can be attributed to helping IR become famous. Bharatiraja debuted only after IR's initial success and Maniratnam debuted much after IR became really popular. The songs for maniaratnam's first movie "Idhayakoil" was legendary and the banner under which it was produced by KovaiThambi - people at that time went to see the movie for the songs. The banner was made popular by movies like Payanangal Mudivadhilai, Naan padum Paadal etc. Even "Mouna Raagam" which made ManiRatnam popular, I went to see because of the songs like "Chinna Chinna Vannakuyil" and "Nilave vaa".
  
  That's one of the reason I like Ilayaraaja's achievements - he started out at the bottom and did not have to use other brandings to promote his career and built a superior brand on his own for himself.
  
  
• From: mr aavudhu ma_y_r aavudhu (@ 64.12.96.72) on: Sun Sep 29 23:30:11 EDT 2002
  
  Is a goood point. while people like Rahman will thank mani rathnam a thousand times, IR does not need to shower praises or thanks. IR was for years going for a chance and if PA had refused, somoene else would've given IR the chance. Plus, for a genius like IR it is the work that he has to be thankful. i mean, an industry like films otherwise we would've seen him waste his ttalents on producing symphonies right at that time.
  
  I think IR was a thing that was inevitable, (also aided by the fact MSV, SG, VK were at their low ends) foir the main reason that IR was preparing to be the all time composer thru films and nothing could've stopped that from happening.
  
  as for mani rathnam, he is lucky. i really don't understand how he is different from any other cliched director. he lacks humor, lacks style but has lot of lighting effects. MR was lucky to have the support of IR.
  
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.95.127.5) on: Mon Sep 30 01:20:30 EDT 2002
  
  Nice topic to discuss, though this is sort of repeat topic.
  
  Directors made IR.
  Theoretically, this is applicable to PA only as he is the person who gave a chance to him. We can go on argueing that if not PA some other guy would have him. Still I cannot think PA would have any influence on IR, because songs were out of trend.
  Mahendran - He is the person who could have made highest impact on IR.
  
  IR made directors.
  We can split this into to subtopics. Whether the songs make the directors or the BGM make director. Answer may be both. If we want to view the director apart from commercial sucess then IR definitely made most of the directors. Only few directors could build movies without dependent on MD eg. Bhagyaraj, Visu, T.Rajendar.
  
  There is a dialogue in Poovellam Kettuppar, that songs make up about 2 reels and remaining 11 reels is story, dialogue etc. so in a movie MD is also a part of the success. But this not totally apropriate for IR because, IR is in every movement of the film, be it closeup, long shots, dialogues, silence etc.etc. IR has made many directors. He did the job much better than directors(BR). Many times only one thing is fixed at the start of the movie that is IR music (This is mostly true now also). For BGMs directors have no clue, it is purely in the minds of MD. Apart for IR other MD are having a standard formula based. Use the song bit for filling up part, use commercialy available loops, all keys in synthesiser for suspense situation, flute for intimacy, violin for pathos etc. But IR never limit to these things. For example in Udanpirappu(P.Vasu), a beautiful clip will flow right through the movie which exhibit the relationship between Sathyaraj and Ragman, which no other MD can even think of.
  Currently so called super directors like Shankar, KSR are no doubt commerically great. But to prove themselves as director of merit they need to go a long distance. In summary, IR made directors mostly.
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon Sep 30 01:41:17 EDT 2002
  
  Good Thread
  
  
• From: Neethipathi (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Mon Sep 30 02:01:55 EDT 2002
  
  Another excuse for a ego boosting exercise for IR and bashing time for the rest of the folks.
  
  IR is just a MD. Period.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.95.127.5) on: Mon Sep 30 02:15:10 EDT 2002
  
  Is it neetipathi or neethi - pathi (Half neethi)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Sep 30 03:38:07 EDT 2002
  
  If MR hadn't inspired IR to reinvent himself in "Thalapathi" we wouldn't have got those wonderful songs ! But it's a sad thing that they chose to part ways after that film.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Mon Sep 30 05:19:47 EDT 2002
  
  cosmician,
  
  If MR hadn't called upon or been recommended ARR for Roja, he would still be couped up in his panchathan room.
  
  my point being: are you sure it was not IR who would have inspired MR in the first place.
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.70.249) on: Mon Sep 30 05:46:24 EDT 2002
  
  MD inspiring a director (of MR's calibre) is the best joke I have heard in recent times.
  
  Joke adikkirathu endru mudivu eduthu vitteenga, appuram enna? Dhool kilappa vendiyathu thaane! :)
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.70.249) on: Mon Sep 30 05:49:15 EDT 2002
  
  In IR's case "We can go on argueing that if not PA some other guy would have him. "
  
  But for ARR, "If MR hadn't called upon or been recommended ARR for Roja, he would still be couped up in his panchathan room."
  
  Funny, isn't it?
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Mon Sep 30 06:32:56 EDT 2002
  
  well...not funny at all.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.95.127.5) on: Mon Sep 30 06:56:24 EDT 2002
  
  If Dirs not motivate ARR then Dheen Isai malai and Set me free would have been super duper hit albums.
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 210.187.110.230) on: Mon Sep 30 08:30:19 EDT 2002
  
  1)ITS IR WHO HAD STARTED PUTTING MUSIC IN DRIVER'S SEAT FOR FILM SUCCESS...i.e. MUSICAL HITS....TILL THEN ITS LIKE MOVIE WITH GOOD MUSIC...BUT NOT GOING TO MOVIE FOR ONLY MUSIC...why ?? even SHOWING MDs BIG PHOTOS ON POSTERS TOO STARTED WITH IR COZ PPL USED TO GO TO MOVIE FOR IRS MUSIC....THAT PROOVES HE HELPED DIRECTORS...hee hee
  
  2)IR IS THE ONLY MD WHO DOMINATES DIRECTOR ON SCREEN EVEN WHEN ITS NOT SONG....I STILL CAN REMEMBER ONE TELUGU MOVIE CALLED 'SAAMRAAJYAM'..(MAMMOTY)...WHERE THE POSTERS SHOWED BIG IR PHOTO WITH CAPTION... SENSATIONAL MUSIC HIT BY IR....BUT U KNOW THE MOVIE HAS NO SONGS...THEY WERE REFERRING TO BGM....THAT EVEN CLEARLY PROOVES HIS MUSIC NOT EVEN SONGS CAN HELP DIRECTORS....
  
  3)MANY TIMES CRITICS EXPLAINED HOW IRS MUSIC ELEVATES A SCENE....IRS MUSIC IS NEVER SUBMISSIVE TO DIRECTION...AND DIRECTORS ALWAYS LIKE MUSIC TO BE SUBMISSIVE TO DIRECTION ...THATS WHERE THEY GOT FRICTION WITH IR...LUCKILY THEY GOT AR WHOSE MUSIC IS HIT AND SUBMISSIVE TOO ...BUT IN CASE OF IR WHEN IR RULES HE USUALLY WONT SHARE HIS THRONE....THAT PROVES WHY TOP DIRECTORS WILL FIGHT WITH IR...
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Mon Sep 30 08:36:29 EDT 2002
  
  Some more examples where IR made directors are:
  
  R Sundarrajan, K Rangaraj, Mu Kalanjiyam, etc.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 132.206.124.201) on: Mon Sep 30 09:50:23 EDT 2002
  
  Nobody made Ilayaraaja. His hard work made him. Hid dedication and god-given gifts made him.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 172.145.3.187) on: Mon Sep 30 10:18:10 EDT 2002
  
  ok, an UGLY DIGRESSION
  
  did'nt IR mom and dad make him :-)...
  
  sorry guys :-)..... carry on bashing IR/ARR/MSV - man i wish there was some 80/90 year old guy who can support MSV's MD ancestors (whoever they r)...
  
  END DIGRESSION
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 213.189.83.103) on: Mon Sep 30 10:51:29 EDT 2002
  
  if this question was asked in the 80s, then certainly IR was making directors give big hits. many new directors came and made big just because of IRs music. in the same way some of the directors like BR, KB and MR extracted some very good music out of IR thus making him more famous.
  
  same question in the 90s and here there can be arguments. new directors, new MDs, different combinations were being tried out in this period. IR making directors is on the wane. And there is no way of telling that this giant is still being made by directors. IR can still hold on his own. But, the top directors of present day extracting the best out of him is sadly missing.
  
  
• From: sathish (@ 213.18.146.142) on: Mon Sep 30 11:57:13 EDT 2002
  
  SAbesanm
  
  That was a good one
  
  
• From: Praba (@ 203.197.142.162) on: Thu Oct 3 09:36:23 EDT 2002
  
  Let me put it this way. What would have happened to films of Mahendran, Balu Mahendra, R.sundarajan if Ilayaraja had not done the BGM.
  They would have been flops.
  According to Mahendran himself, the producer of Mullum malarum cursed him after seeing the Rush of the film without the BGM. It was a totally
  different story with the BGM. So rest assured IR created Directors in the 80s.
  
  
• From: Pothumda Saami (@ 203.106.70.53) on: Thu Oct 3 10:45:17 EDT 2002
  
  Please continue here:
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/3512.10.41.22.html
  
  
• From: badri (@ 202.9.180.238) on: Thu Oct 3 11:15:23 EDT 2002
  
  good kiran,good comment.
  
  

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