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VALI AND IR

Topic started by suren (@ webcache03p.cache.pol.co.uk) on Sat Jan 9 18:04:00 EST 1999.
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I have always believed that the main reason behind IR`s disappearance from TFM scene,ofcourse
temporarily was because of a poet named VAALI.How
u guys feel about this

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Responses:

• From: NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on: Mon Jan 11 00:00:38 EST 1999
  
  hi suren,
  a BIG YES from my side., i always wonder how this poet is able to push IR out of field who gave him life in TFM., IR gave almost 90% of the songs to vaali in that period & he spoiled almost 95% of them., ( i mean the POST ARR period.,vali was good with IR & gave some excellent numbers - like Marupadiyum, Idayam etc., before that time ). thank god IR is now out of that MAZE., Arivumathi, Pazani bharathi ( amarar. vasan also did a greatwork ) & others do a good job for him & IR is back on track again
  
  NagasubramaniaN
  
  
• From: Sangeetha (@ bluebird.state.mo.us) on: Mon Jan 11 13:24:25 EST 1999
  
  Don't start bashing Vali. He much more talented than Vairamuthu and any other current Lyricist in TFM.
  
  He is more flexible, since MD's are the whole responsible for success and unsuccess of the song, MDs have right to choose lyricist, Playback singers and Sound Engineers etc. So its MD's Responsibility is to make use of Vaali as much they can.
  
  Vaali can write meaningful songs like
  1. "Nazham Vaala Ennalum" - Marupadiyum for IR.
  2. "Naan Aanaiyittal" - Enga Veetu Pillai for MGR and MSV.
  3.And all the songs in Kadhal Desam for ARR.
  
  He can also write songs according to the MD's cheap taste, eg.
  
  1."Samanjadhu Eppadi" - Indhu for Deva
  2."Uttalakka Sevatha Tholudhaan, Adha Uthu Paartha Ulla Theriyum Naidu Hall thaan" - Again for Deva.
  
  So Don't try to find fault on others for IR's disappearance in TFM. There are several reasons for that because of IR himself.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Mon Jan 11 14:53:49 EST 1999
  
  Hi,
  
  I can never accept that Vali was the reason for IR's temporary setback. In fact, Vali was a senior to IR, but agreed, IR was the one who gave life to Vali. He has penned some good lyrics like,
  
  1) kannan oru kaikkuzhandhai
  2) songs in the film "marupadiyum"
  3) songs in the film "idhayam"
  
  and so on. "Marupadiyum" was released only after the introduction of ARR i.e. after "Roja". IMO, I feel that Vali can be compared to the likes of VM. It is very sad that he penned some filthy lyrics in the film "Indhu". Maybe, it was because of the director (Pavithran, man, I don't know why this person continues to torment TF viewers with his violent and third-rated films). Remember, once Vali himself told that he is asked to write some lyrics as wished by the director and the producer because they pay him, even though he didn't want to write such lyrics.
  
  Anyway, I don't think that IR has any problems with Vali now. Soon, I expect their combo will give a mega musical hit.
  
  
• From: Vaali_priyan (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Jan 11 15:16:42 EST 1999
  
  Vaali himself had something to say on this topic (very poetically too...)
  
  "Illakiyathil naan Vanna Thamizh Mazhalaikku paaloottum Thai
  Cinemavil Vitteriyum kaasukku vaalattum Naai"
  
  
  
  That says it, right?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jan 11 15:45:42 EST 1999
  
  Suren,
  I agree wholeheartedly that Vaali is one of the biggest reasons to affect IR's songs. Though there are occasional gems like the "Kannan Oru Kaikuzhanthai" and songs from "Ilamai Ooonjalaadugirathu", Vaali was key in rendering many good melodies as mediocre.
  
  Take any AVM movie of IR after SagalaKalavallavan, the songs reek of crass and infertile imagination.
  Even megahits like "Chinnathambi", "Sembaruththi", "Idhayaththai Thirudaathae"and "Puthu Puthu Arthangal" had very average cliche-laden songs with commonplace expressions like
  -"Kuyilap pudichu koondiladaichu...mayilap pudichchu kaala odachchu"
  -"kaanal neeral theeraatha thaagam" (talk about cliches)
  -and what about the great melody ruined by gibberish like "Salakku salakkuch chelai oru kalakku kalakkum aalai".
  
  Vaali was great when writing for MGR movies of the 60s. From the 70s onwards he was lucky to write 3 good songs a year. The sickness is that he knew he was writing crap just like Vaali_priyan's quote assures us. Contempt for audience by an artist is unforgivable in my book.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jan 11 15:51:57 EST 1999
  
  Another important reason Vaali didn't jell with IR is his urbanized lyrics never sounded natural for many folkish tunes. To deal with this inability Vaali treaded the middle ground and wrote about surface things rather than drilling into the rural culture like VM, Gangai Amaran, Pulamaippiththan, Muthulingam, or R.V.Udhayakumar did successfully for IR.
  
  
• From: mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on: Tue Jan 12 22:05:08 EST 1999
  
  makkalE:
  
  kannan oru kai kuzhandhai is penned by Kannadasan for the movie "BhadrakAli".
  
  Vaali is one of the best existing lyricists in terms of calibre. Vaali gave his best lyrics to MGR songs, eg. PeRRAl thAn pillayA.(kannan pirandhan, nalla nalla piLLaikalai)
  anbE vA(nAn pArthathile, pudiya vAnam), padakOtti(karai mEl piRakka), etc.
  
  Some of the decent songs for IR movies are veera and marupadiyum. He says that he writes according to what movie director is asking for. So they are also one of the reasons for his lousy songs.
  
  IR always had many choice of lyricists: Kannadasan, panju, muthulingam, gangai amaran, Mu. metha, pulamai pithan, die-mandu, IR, etc. He is also responsible for choosing lyricist who gave vulgar lyrics.
  
  
• From: NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on: Tue Jan 12 22:52:49 EST 1999
  
  mannAru:
  'Kannan oru kaikkuzanthai' is the first song in Vali - IR combo. from the film 'Badrakaali'., i am 120% sure about this !
  NagasubramaniaN
  
  
• From: V (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jan 14 12:44:38 EST 1999
  
  I am more than a little surprised with the fluctuations in the level of Vali's lyrics. Where he has given some amazing songs during the 60s and the 70s, as Udhaya has pointed out, he seemed to wallow in mediocrity in the 80s and reached a nadir with disgusting smutty stuff in the 90s. I am unable to comprehend the transition in him.
  
  I have tried to think of possible reasons for this. Some of them that come to my mind are :
  
  * After IR became a major force in TFM, more importance came to be given to music, rather than to lyrics, and this may have made Vali dilute his standards to make himself more flexible, and thereby stay in the race.
  
  * More songs had rural flavour in them, and Vali was clearly not a natural in these settings, and that may have led him to make a compromise that did'nt quite work out (I agree with what Udhaya said here too).
  
  * I feel that VM and GA also may have had an uncanny but not too positive influence on Vali's work thereafter. The so-called "Aatha.." songs penned by these became popular, and the theme of the songs became more rustic and less profound. This probably led Vali to prove a point or two, to stay put.
  
  * I recall a quote made by Vali on his present-day work. He is supposed to have said "KasAppu kadaikku vandhu Gandhiyaththai pEsarudhula arththam illai" . I think this comment about sums up his attitude towards penning lyrics today.
  Frankly, I don't think he feels the need to write profound things in todays' lyrics. So, I feel the change is more voluntary (and hence, sad) than anything else.
  
  As for cliched verses, I feel that VM is equally (if not more) guilty of repeated phrases. Eg. Thangam vechu thEcha kooda erumai nEram veLukkadhu,
  kind of phrases.
  
  
• From: V (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jan 14 12:49:41 EST 1999
  
  As for the contention that Vali was the reason behind IR's "disappearance", I believe nothing can be further from the truth. As if, guys like Pazhani Bharathi and GA are any better in stds !
  
  
• From: suren (@ webcache25a.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Thu Jan 14 17:38:12 EST 1999
  
  I think the main reason was people were fed up with his lyrics especially between the late eightees and early ninetees .It may be something to do with lack of substance in his songs. And IR WAS so obsessed with him to the point of torturing his own creativity.May be the EGO played a big part there.I have used to tell my friends that if IR could get rid of vaali .. then that would be a huge turning point in his musical career. And thank god he is out of the maze
  
  
• From: suresh (@ bluebird.qut.edu.au) on: Fri Jan 15 02:16:54 EST 1999
  
  Does anyone know who wrote this, in "Poovarasan"?
  
  "intha poovukkorarasan poovarasan
  adi punnai vana kuyile
  intha ponnukkoru purushan poovarasan
  adi thenpazhani mayile"....
  
  What utter nonsense & inanity? For this trash, IR wasted a melodious song with a great guitar opening and SPB/Chitra's good singing. For all of VM's faults, I'm sure he'd have done a better job with this.
  
  
• From: Chandra (@ ) on: Tue Nov 30 06:56:17 EST 1999
  
  Hello Friends,
  
  I will not agree that Vaali is the reason behind
  temporary downfall of IR after entry of ARR. Even
  times recently IR has given one or two songs in recent films like Senthooram. Also I also do not agree with our friend critisizing the lyrics of the song in the film Poovarasan. Being a fan of both Vaali and IR Iam not in a position to blame either one and only people whom I can blame is today's producers and Directors. I need explanation from all of them
  
  
• From: Rajesh and Prakash (@ unknown-24-6.pilot.net) on: Tue Nov 30 11:10:24 EST 1999
  
  valli uses meaningless words in his
  lyrics. for eg. dallaku dol dapima.
  if anyone knows the meaning pls. tell
  
  
• From: Raj & Prakash (@ unknown-24-6.pilot.net) on: Tue Nov 30 11:18:52 EST 1999
  
  Hi Guys Are you there?????????
  
  
• From: Radhai (@ h3245.s86b1.baynetworks.com) on: Tue Nov 30 14:16:11 EST 1999
  
  It would be utter rubbish to say that Vaali was the reason behind IR's disappearance.
  
  There have been a lot of songs which Vaali wrote for Ilayaraaja. Eg. Mahanadhi (The lyrics are gems), Guna, Thalapathi, Aboorva Sagotharargal, Marupadiyum, Mouna Raagam, Vaidehi Kaathirudhaal, Chinna Thambi (Thooliyile, Uchanthalai...), Pudhu pudhu arthangal...
  
  Vaali is one lyricist who can adapt to the Music Director and give good songs...
  
  Dont blame it on him. Each one have their peaks and IR had it when he had finished more than 600 songs.
  
  Its like saying MSV's disappearance came after Kannadasan's death... There is a time frame to these. People's taste differs.
  
  
• From: Jana (@ pppa37-resalecolumbus1-2r1168.saturn.bbn.com) on: Tue Nov 30 21:08:33 EST 1999
  
  Guys:
  
  It is absolutely nonsense to say that IR's downfall is due to Vaali. The downfall of IR is because of IR himself and because of his mountainous ego. Vaali is one great lyricist after Kannadasan. It is true that the quality of song from Vaali has deterioritated. But still he is the Best Lyricist in the TFM. Listen to MGR songs in the 70s (of Vaali), they are gems.
  
  
  

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