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Chorus in IR's songs.

Topic started by Sivakumar J Sharma (@ m24.chn.vsnl.net.in) on Thu Sep 24 07:21:36 EDT 1998.
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Dear fans,

It is some time since we really got into seeing more into songs of IR rather than compare him with ARR and so on. Have you ever noticed that all Hits of IR has that chorus ( a group of 10-15 girls) at the BG, humming some great melodies in the songs and in the process adding value to the song. I just can tell you only this- there are less of IR's songs WITHOUT chorus. Plz. post your comments.

For a start, let me give a list of 4 great songs with chorus..

1. Vaa vennilaa--mella thirandhadhu kadhavu
2. Oru naalum unnai -- ejamaan
3. adi aathaadi -- kadalora kavithaigal
4. Chinna chinna vannakkuyi-- Mouna Ragam ( the sensational.. ummmmmm, ummmmm)

Bye,

Sharma.

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Responses:

• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Sep 24 08:24:43 EDT 1998
  
  1.thoodhu selvadhAradi (singara velan)-the best chorus song by IR IMO.
  2.kadavuL uLLame karunai illame (anbuLLa super *)
  It has chorus in-between,though jency sings most of the part.
  3.thamthana namthana (pudiya vArpugaL)a group of girls sing aa aa aa aaa aaa ....
  4.The "Ther" song in Devar magan.terrific
  5.aNNae aNNae (kozhi koovudhu) - 4-5 guys in chorus
  
  more to come ...
  
  
• From: IRfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Thu Sep 24 10:41:31 EDT 1998
  
  Please add the following too to the "songs with best chorus" list:
  1. Manakkum sandhaname kungumame - Dharma
  2. Poo nilavonnu sirikkidhu - Kizhakkum merkkum
  3. Thangachi dhaan thanga puraava - Vasuki
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Thu Sep 24 11:06:09 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  Frankly :Male Chrous voices in Ir songs are often out of tune. Male chorus section is very poor.
  but the Female section is very good.
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Thu Sep 24 12:10:44 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Hear the chorus in "maruthani char eadhuthu"
  in Illaya raagam - Raja has set excellet chorus scores.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.246) on: Thu Sep 24 12:17:04 EDT 1998
  
  somehow, i never get tired of listing IR songs. a few gems:
  
  1. devathai poloru- gopura vaasalile
  
  2. adi ye raasathi - ennuyir thozhan
  
  3. one of the recent best - chorus in 'aruna girana' song in guru.
  
  4. chinna chinna - mouna raagam - brilliant!
  
  5. pani vizhum - mouna raagam
  
  6. idhu oru nilaak kaalam- tik tik tik - opening chorus is amazing! i never get tired even after listening to this song a 1000 times!
  
  7. madai thiranthu - nizhalgal
  
  8. mannava mannava - walter wetrivel - what a chorus! the chorus matches exactly the situation
  and it reaches a crescendo giving a tremendous impact! the picturisation is apt whith blind sukanya turning around in slow motion!
  
  9. en iniya pon nilaave - moodupani - mesmerizing!
  
  10. bhoopalam- thooral ninnu pochu - brilliant chorus at the start of the song. i think the song is set in gowri manohari scale.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: G.Suresh (@ begis50.swift.com) on: Thu Sep 24 15:11:24 EDT 1998
  
  'poonJoalai Nee thanamma...' chorus in 'oru pattam Poochi nenjukkullae..' song from KM is excellant, particularly the instrument bit after the chorus before second para is O! man IR is just great
  
  
• From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Sep 24 15:56:42 EDT 1998
  
  more : aattamaa from captain prabhakaran,
  potri paadadi penne from thevar magan
  and the vande mataram song in kaalapani.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Sep 24 17:08:34 EDT 1998
  
  1. Paaramal paartha nenjam - Poonthotta Kavalkaaran has amazing chorus and orchestration.
  
  2.Vaanengum thanga ven meengal -- Moodraam pirai
  
  But the beauty of chorus in IR songs is that they blend with the song so beautifully, that unless u are very observant , u'll not realise that it's presence.
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ nova11.cs.wisc.edu) on: Thu Sep 24 17:16:28 EDT 1998
  
  Some of the best chorus ever (IMO) were for the interludes of:
  1. Sundari - Dalapathi
  2. O Priya Priya - Gitanjali
  3. Vande mataram - Kaalapani
  4. Vandhal vandhal raajakumari - Oru oorile oru raajakumari.
  
  5. There is also a song in "Mayabazaar 95" that is colored only by chorus. I don't remember the lyrics, but its a great song.
  
  6. There is a similar song(colored with chorus from beginning to end) in the Kannada movie "Shivasainya".
  
  
  
• From: Mano (@ by1.genie.uottawa.ca) on: Thu Sep 24 20:40:30 EDT 1998
  
  1. Sundari Neeyum Sundaran...Kamal, SJ
  Raja thought that introducing chorus bring flavour to the song. In fact, it did and made the song to be a hit one. Kamal Hasan told this in an interview.
  
  Enjodi Manjal Kuruvi...SPB,Chitra,SPS Vikram I don't like this song that much.
  Etho Mogam Vandhatho...SJ Punnagai Mannan
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqn-024.compuserve.net) on: Thu Sep 24 22:40:37 EDT 1998
  
  My favourites,
  1. Thamthana Thamthana (though Jency and Sasirekha sang out of tune, the composition was masterly)
  2.Devadai pol oru penningu
  3.Kannukkulle Yaaro (I hope you can add this to the 'chorus' list)
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqn-024.compuserve.net) on: Thu Sep 24 22:41:41 EDT 1998
  
  Ilamai enum poongaatru should top my list
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ nova13.cs.wisc.edu) on: Fri Sep 25 00:20:24 EDT 1998
  
  Manitha Manitha - kann sivandaal mann sivakkum; one of his all time best. I tried desperately for this song, couldn't get it.
  
  
• From: Sivakumar J Sharma (@ m14.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Fri Sep 25 02:50:45 EDT 1998
  
  Hey guys,
  
  The response to this section has been superb, thanks for the same. Anyway, it cannot be denied that not only the song, but also the whole movie's story base is depicted in the chorus usage by IR in his songs. You can notice that the chorus is so apt that the feelings, mood and the weightage of the situation is well brought out by the song and the chorus.
  
  AND IT IS A FACT THAT NONE OTHER THAN THE MAESTRO IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. Probably, ARR needs to learn a lesson or two form IR.
  
  Sharma.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.172) on: Fri Sep 25 04:11:48 EDT 1998
  
  
  
  IR's influence on Karthik Raja shows in the melodious song in the film 'Ullasam': "Veesum Kartukku"... The chorus "yaaraval Yaaraval" apparently by a bunch of PS Senior Secondary School girls has been very well rendered, with a scale-change in between... amazing stuff. It did sound like an IR composition.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Sep 25 06:10:45 EDT 1998
  
  IMO, chorus in some of the songs has spoilt the song. One such is Oru paTTAm poochi from KM (sorry suresh ;-)) ).
  
  another song with great chorus is "mannan koorai chelai" from kAlApAni. The "huyya huyya" part is terrific.
  
  There is one more song in vanaja girija with great chorus.CAn anybody help me out???
  
  
• From: Mano (@ ecarh29c.nortel.ca) on: Fri Sep 25 08:50:29 EDT 1998
  
  Sure Shanker:
  It's Unnai Ethir Parthen... a Beautiful song
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Fri Sep 25 15:43:05 EDT 1998
  
  Hi guys,
  
  I wanted to mention 2 amazing male chorus performances in IR's songs. The chorus in "kaththum kadal ullae oru" and starting chorus in Vettri Vettri enru sollum koyil mani song.
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Fri Sep 25 15:45:14 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  I just remembered !! "Sevvanthi Poo mudicha chinnakka"
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Fri Sep 25 15:49:22 EDT 1998
  
  2 more,
  
  Back ground chorus in "en veetu jannal" - out of world
  
  and
  
  4 th song (is song in side B in Guru - I forgot the start), can someone help me out
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Fri Sep 25 15:51:48 EDT 1998
  
  Looks like vijay has mentioned it already it is "Aruna Girana Dheepam" song in Guru
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ lpcat102.oardc.ohio-state.edu) on: Fri Sep 25 17:13:24 EDT 1998
  
  I agrre with S K Sharma
  
  
• From: Sriram lakshman (@ sf-dnpqn-071.compuserve.net) on: Fri Sep 25 22:39:48 EDT 1998
  
  I thought the chorus in 'Poonthalir aada' esp. when it comes in each time after the pallavi is rendered is super. 'En iniya pon nilave' also had good chorus
  
  
• From: raghavan (@ helena.cs.wisc.edu) on: Fri Sep 25 23:14:26 EDT 1998
  
  "malai kOyil vaasalilae" from Veera had a
  great chorus.
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-11.bellatlantic.net) on: Sat Sep 26 08:04:28 EDT 1998
  
  ARR's use of female voices in 'putham bhoomi vENdum' in thirudA thirudA is just stunning. rAjA has never tried this type of chorus in any of his songs. Surprising that rAjA is the classically oriented one but never tried such western opera type chorus !
  
  
• From: Ye Fan (@ spider-tr074.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Sep 26 11:03:21 EDT 1998
  
  PG
  
  IR chorus and vocal interludes are more difficult and totally folk material and never else attempted in this woruldu. We are in India, not in Italy to ask for opera type chorus. ARR is comfortable doing what IR has not done before, so he is going places and bringing in outside cultures and doing it in such a way that they appear non-Indian and not done before, when actually ARR simply cuts from Italy and pastes in India!!! There is a limit.
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ scproxy1.sc.intel.com) on: Sat Sep 26 18:04:07 EDT 1998
  
  Pg,
  Even I was mesmerised by the stunnin' chorus in the song that u mentioned. I was so carried away that I was thinking that it would not be long before RPH came to ARR requesting him to compose a Symphony! :-)))
  Well, time told me otherwise. ARR has never used that kind of chorus again. Surprising isn't it? , esp. considering the fact that Thiruda^2 songs were so widely appreciated (Even people in Mumbai bought the Tamil versions of the Casette!!)
  I wouldn't at all be surprised if ARR in fact QUOTED some classical chorus piece for this particular song! :-)))
  
  Srinivas
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-151-198-136-72.bellatlantic.net) on: Sat Sep 26 18:15:24 EDT 1998
  
  Thiruda Thiruda's dubbed version Chor Chor received extemely bad reviews in Hindi Press. TOI (or was it Filmfare ?) trashed the songs. That really shows the music knowledge of those northie reviewers.
  
  I am as big an ARR-basher as any but till somebody proves me otherwise the benefit of the doubt goes to ARR. It is not easy to cut & paste such a chorus into a tamil song.
  
  

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