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Why IR does not concentrate on presentation of song?

Topic started by Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on Tue Sep 30 06:05:05 EDT 2003.
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This post is purely for IR. This post does not belittle the class and greatness of IR. As one of the DFer said IR always leave you longing for more. This is purely that point I would like to discuss.

My question to IR:
You always gets tune in a flash. You have great capability to mend tunes in any way you want. You can if you want give upteen dimensions for the same song. Yet, offlate all your songs look like that you have hurriedly finished, not bothered about presentation. You selected a singer who is most freely available otherwise you use Bhava or yourself, finished most of the instrumentation bit using electronics not taking pains for going for class and real instrumentlist. You have never ever bothered about recording quality, treating as if that it is not COMPOSER's domain. It looks like you are in a race to complete the songs. You have defined your own boundary for all the above. If you concentrate a bit more things will look lot more impressive. Yes, your speed and expection from others is a tall order,but because of this you cant just compromise the output.

But when it comes to Symphony, the ground rules are different. Irrespective of greatness of composition, presentation would be critically looked at. Yes, it depends on the orchestra you are choosing, depends on budget etc. But you cannot take it light, that you can't settle for 2nd best.

You spend so much effort on BGMs. You spend too little time on songs and even little for presentation. I am least bothered that you present such a way that you figure in MTV or Northies channel. But fans like me, though, most of times feel had it been better singers, better recording would have further elevated the greatness.

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Responses:

• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Wed Oct 1 05:23:56 EDT 2003
  
  Speaker
  
  rightly said. I completely agree with you, bcos ur opinion is same as mine:)
  
  however your statement "finished most of the instrumentation bit using electronics not taking pains for going for class and real instrumentlist" cannot be told to IR, since he has been using real instruments for most of his songs.
  
  cheers
  satsona
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Wed Oct 1 07:09:59 EDT 2003
  
  Satsona, right from Friends, you will find lot of electronics been used in his songs. While movies like Thevan magan has full use of real instruments. Sad thing is that I feel he used lot of el in movies like Kasi! IMHO
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.241) on: Wed Oct 1 08:32:25 EDT 2003
  
  speaker,
  
  not frm friends but his music is changed ever since kadhalukku mariyadhai. i dont find his music as good as 80's and the beginning of 90's bcos of the lack of real instruments and more of electronics. ocassionally we do hear songs frm films like azhagi or solla marantha... with real instruments but predominantly his songs has been too much digitized as of now.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 198.38.6.253) on: Wed Oct 1 09:53:30 EDT 2003
  
  Rajasaranam, I agree with you on the ground that with non-digitalized instruments, the songs could be so much better. All composers can take note of this.
  
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 62.215.3.46) on: Thu Oct 2 01:58:55 EDT 2003
  
  what a timing for this thread with Pithamagan release just around and there is news of his Thiruvaasagham in Symphony under production.
  
  speaker, in your opinion what is IRs best album in terms of presentaion ?
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Oct 2 02:30:35 EDT 2003
  
  Geeth, Nenjathai killathe & Thalapathy!
  
  
• From: arrfan (@ 166.121.37.10) on: Thu Oct 2 04:12:07 EDT 2003
  
  it is actually a fantastic topic to discuss. I think IR's music can simply reach anywhere if he concentrates on sounds and recording.
  Music is as much about sounds as it is about harmony.
  Some ideas of his are simply mind-boggling. for example, take his song from 'moondram pirai'. The starting cool song. The ideas there are fantastic....but had he used more exotic sounds, and some additional mixing, the song can be popular anywhere.
  
  But, we cant complain. Simple reason : the man is too much into harmony and everything else is nitty-gritties for him. While new composers spend their time reading the manual of a music software, this guy spends his time on working out some harmony!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 203.197.136.39) on: Thu Oct 2 05:45:41 EDT 2003
  
  Although with synth's a song may sound good for the initial few hearings. But dies off soon from our heart. The recording quality should be kept high, ofcourse but i would prefer to hear songs that are not churned out from the synth's. They sucks after a few hearings!!
  
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Mon Oct 6 14:45:24 EDT 2003
  
  Before 1992 (ARR's entry) did any of you comment on IR's recording quality?? NO. It's human nature to compare old with new but we should realize that IR produced the best during his time with the limited technlogy. But now that all the (so called) composers rely on softwares and synths bcos they are not ctually 'composers' but just sound engineers. IR is the only 'true composer' we have. Many of us know that he is like a 'one man army' and he does everything that's with in his capacity. When it comes to recording he is not giving his 100% maybe bcos that's not entirely his area of expertise. More over, namma cinema-vukku idhu podhum endru avar ninaithirukkalam!
  
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Mon Oct 6 17:01:51 EDT 2003
  
  Guys,
  
  I think IR is really bored in scoring music for films. But still he is doing it for the interest in Music in general.
  
  He expects challenging projects for which commercial can't cater. For him it is like doing the same work for last 25 years without any improvement.
  
  Once he was so frustated, that he was telling that "Directors are expecting never before heard tune from me, while providing the same situations. From there side, they don't try to give never before handled situations to me".
  
  For Example if you look at Hey Ram, he raised up to the occassion, as it was never before told story, situation and every thing.
  
  But how many movies like that our commercial cinema can produce? It is sad for fans like me that he lost interest.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Mon Oct 6 17:59:53 EDT 2003
  
  AS,
  Should we not be angry than SAD for our gr8 genius to succumb to some small stuff... This was the same person who gave continuous HITS.....
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon Oct 6 21:14:49 EDT 2003
  
  Now most of the other "super hit" songs, just look at their quality. appaling, it may take No1 place for 3 months and one more jerk is going to take another place.(I am not saying No1 rating is THE scale of quality)-Manmatha rasaa... What to say!!!
  
  All we should look it is the sheer quality of some of IR songs are so good, but because of recording or singer capability the entire stuff looks pathetic. Example, in manasellam, illaya nathi, the instrument bit is a class apart compared to SS rendition. I dont believe IR can easily be influenced by recording company to use hindi artists. How a man with such vast knowledge, able skill to assess the capability can go for Bhava, Shreya, SS while Chitra, Swarnalata are longing for singing a song for him. I am totally frustated with his approach.
  
  Anytime and Anyday, most of his recent tunes can reach greater heights, had he concentrated bit more. What makes him to go for such cheap and shoddy stuff? Funny thing is that, recent albums looks so pale in comparison to 80s when technology was pretty limited. Just listen, Bagavathy puram gate vs Manasellam. IR is working agaist himself in most of the situations.
  
  X, till we are exposed to better sounds & clarity, IR fans would be demanding better class.
  MIL, I agree with you. I am actually agitated with this approach...
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 24.184.29.127) on: Mon Oct 6 22:07:42 EDT 2003
  
  Speaker and MIL,
  
  When IR was growing there was some goal in cinema he wanted to reach. So at that time, whatever kuppai situations given to him, he made a musical beauty out of it.
  
  Now he probably feels that there is nothing more for him to achieve in cinema. This happens for people in the same profession for quite some time. I am seeing this fatigue in ARR music also when compared to his earlier hits. But for ARR it is slow, because he does less number of movies. Also now the expectation of audience is different. They want new combinations of sounds, recording quality, etc. Even if some good song should reach mass, it should be capsuled with some unheard sounds. IR is always apprehensive about synth. as he feels it misses some vital frequencies which can touch listener's heart.
  
  With all these, some of his gems went unnoticed. Probably he is also frustated. My point is we can't be angry with somebody's state of mind.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 209.101.193.66) on: Tue Oct 7 00:21:51 EDT 2003
  
  AS,
  It is not a state of mind we are talking about. How can you accept that he has reached the goal, because, in my opinion MUSIC IS OCEAN and anybody has not conquered it fully. IR, atleast has no competition in a sense ( I am not talking about Sales here), i.e, everybody identifies IR Music differently and distinctively when that is a case
  He has more time to give HIS MUSIC which is accepted. So I will be angry (chellama) with IR that He is deceiving his fans of the Quality Music he produced before!!!! or he is thinking this is enough for them (FANS)
  
  My point is WHEN I BELIEVE IN IR CAN DELIVER, WHY CAN'T IR BELIEVE IN HIMSELF TO DELIVER?
  
  what is the confusion? What is wrong?
  
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.89) on: Tue Oct 7 00:49:37 EDT 2003
  
  Why IR does not concentrate on presentation of song?
  
  Bcos he just doesent care abt the ppl. listening to it.....he thinks watever he gives ppl. have to listen to it.......this attitude of IR is/was ARR's biggest strength..........
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Oct 7 09:52:19 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY,
  Why are u bringing ARR here?
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Tue Oct 7 10:29:06 EDT 2003
  
  MIL,
  
  Agreed Music is ocean, but film music is limited. Nothing is to thrill him more in Film Music.
  
  That's why he tries to use all the might for bringing in Thiruvasakam project. I think still he does movies to get money power to accomplish other tasks like Thiruvasakam, not because he likes to do movies.
  
  MADDY!
  
  I think IR is not as arrogant as you think. This is all portrayed and exaggerated by Journalist. Once he made statement like awards are not important to me. My fans are very important to me. Whereever they are they wait for my song. They are my biggest asset.
  
  He do not give interview in maganzine and not involved in all the gimmicks. His point was "I can tell everything through music, then why explicit interview?". He is entitled to have his own opinion.
  
  ARR in his own words said that he learned that with intoxication one can produce good music from IR.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Tue Oct 7 10:30:30 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY
  Read it as:
  
  ARR in his own words said that he learned that without intoxication one can produce good music from IR.
  
  

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