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Will picturisation of songs makes them more appreciable???

Topic started by Srikanth (@ inet35.us.oracle.com) on Fri Aug 14 15:26:31 EDT 1998.
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I feel that the picturisation of the songs have an impact on the song's appreciability and impact. Let me take an example:
I started liking "Indian"'s songs more only after seeing the songs. They are picturised beautifully.

Vennilave song in Minsara Kanavu has been picturised very well and the impact of the song is augmented manyfold after you see the song. In this case, I liked the song the first time I listened to it (and before seeing it!). I am speaking of it's impact here.

On the other side, Kannodu song would have been great if it had been picturised well. Shankar shouldn't have made a comedy out of this song. Had it been taken in a sentimental backdrop, it would have made wonders.

What do you guys feel about this!!

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Responses:

• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 14 15:52:21 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth: About the vennilavE song.. itha muthalla kEttuttu enga siththi 'EthO pichakkaaran paththu paisavala theeppettila thaaLam pOttukittu paadarathukku pOtta tunennu' sonnaanga. :-). I started liking the song only after seeing the picturization. I didn't see the entire movie though.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Fri Aug 14 16:03:54 EDT 1998
  
  Did you guys know that the picturisation of this song is a straight lift from the movie 'An American In Paris' *ing Gene Kelly ?
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 14 16:29:17 EDT 1998
  
  pg: I would say it a good translation to our screen. Didn't at all feel alien, IMHO.
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 205.147.245.41) on: Fri Aug 14 16:41:52 EDT 1998
  
  I tend not watch a movie if the song is good. An example being "Meetatha oro veenai" from poonthottam.I did have the
  video cassette in possesion but on second thought I just did'nt want to watch this great composition being messed up.There
  are a few songs like "Andhi Mazhai" from rajaparvai,where the director had tried to do justice to the composition.But in
  majority of the cases its downright pathetic."panivizhum Malarvanam" from Ninavellam nithya can be re-shot.Karthik and
  GeeGee made a mockery out of a timeless wonder.Infact all the songs in "thendrale ennai thodu" could be re-shot.The list
  can go on forever. I feel a good song need not have a picturization for better appreciation.Infact on the contrary, it
  destroys the core.This explains why I have watched all ARR movies(just kidding!!Srikanth, U do'nt have to get fired up
  on this).
  
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  PS-My favorite song picturization is "paruvame" from Nenjathai Killathe.Ashok kumar had
  captured the early morning mood and that was clearly world class.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Fri Aug 14 19:51:53 EDT 1998
  
  I am back after a VERY LONG time :-(( Temporary though. :-))))
  
  Anand, we seem to be in the same boat. Visual media is one of the
  most powerful and our movie makers know very well to disuse it. Most of
  the songs lose their charm due to picturization. I think I can list only
  a handful of songs in the whole TFM history where picturzation added
  beauty and power to the song. As mentioned before, paruvamE is a
  good example. Another good one is kAdhalin dhIbam ondRu in thambikku
  endha Uru. Of course, everything is IMHO. But MHO is the greatest,
  isn't it? :-)))))))))))
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Fri Aug 14 19:52:19 EDT 1998
  
  I am back after a VERY LONG time :-(( Temporary though. :-))))
  
  Anand, we seem to be in the same boat. Visual media is one of the
  most powerful and our movie makers know very well to disuse it. Most of
  the songs lose their charm due to picturization. I think I can list only
  a handful of songs in the whole TFM history where picturzation added
  beauty and power to the song. As mentioned before, paruvamE is a
  good example. Another good one is kAdhalin dhIbam ondRu in thambikku
  endha Uru. Of course, everything is IMHO. But MHO is the greatest,
  isn't it? :-)))))))))))
  
  
• From: Mano (@ wheel116.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) on: Fri Aug 14 20:50:27 EDT 1998
  
  IMO, I tend to not to watch a movie based on the song. I can provide you many examples, but the list is too long. Some of them would be, Pon Maanai Thedi..(Enga Oor Rasathi), Eeramana Rojave..(Ilamai Kalangal), Paal Nilavu..(Yaaro Azhairarkal), Pooparikum Nerathiley...(Karaiyai Thodatha Alaikal). I did not like the above movies because the songs were not picturized well.
  However, this is just opposite for ARR. Some his copositions became popular because of the picturization, such as mustafa mustafa song. Even all Gentlemen's song became popular after movie release. Lately, 'Kannodu Kanpathellam' was spoiled by shankar. I don't appreciate the song anymore because of this. Well, I think I have said enough.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ spider-te083.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 14 21:37:22 EDT 1998
  
  One song which was badly picturised was Netru Illadha Matram in Pudhiya Mugam. The song is great, when you watch Revathi doing I dont know what, it has always been painful for me.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Sat Aug 15 00:44:21 EDT 1998
  
  There is one song of IR, which the picturization made all the more sweeter for me.. 'E kuruvi chittu kuruvi' from mudhal mariyaadhai. Great imagination by BR and stupendous work by Sivaji. avar mugathula thOnikkum antha santhOsham. Man he really enjoyed singing to that kuruvi. :-).
  
  
• From: Veera (@ 1cust144.tnt2.det1.da.uu.net) on: Sat Aug 15 02:44:13 EDT 1998
  
  Folks,
  
  For a movie BGM is lifeline.For a song Picturisation is life. Only classic directors do a great job. Of course IR has inspired many directors to outshine and exhibit their talent.
  
  Song of Raaja "Poove sempoove" from Solla thudikuthu manasu was mocked and picturised on raadharavi. Lenin I think spoilt the show.What a song by the maestro?
  
  MAnirathnam,KB,Sreedhar(old movies),Mahendran(Azhagiya kanne) from Uthiri Pookal,KViswanath are some of the directors who know to bring out the song thro excellent picturisation. Of course BR is class apart.
  
  Examples of each:
  
  Mani-> Poo-malaye,Yaar Veetu roja,Anjali,
  
  KB- Any movie involves the song that just essays the story.
  7 Swarangalukul,Kaatrukenna veli, Ilakanam Marutho?, Punnagai mannan(Iru kodugal),Sollathan Ninaikiren,Junior etc.
  
  sreedhar- Poomalayil,MUthukalo kangal,Songs from Nenjil oru alayam.
  
  Mahendran - songs from mullum malarum,Nenjathai killathe,Metti etc.
  
  KV- Sankarabaranam songs,Salangai oli- Nadha vinodhangal, Songs from Swarnakamalam(telugu) amazing picturisation.
  
  All BR songs are out of the world.
  
  Senthoorapoove,Vaan Megangale,Ninaivo oru paravai,Indha minminiku kannil, Poo kadhave, Pon malai,Madai thiranthu.
  
  Idhu oru nila kalam - tic tic tic.Just like a western song.
  
  Again this is strictly my opinion. I might be wrong too.
  Thanks
  
  Veera
  
  
• From: Ichiboy (@ 202.54.33.211) on: Sat Aug 15 13:52:04 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Regarding Kannodu(Jeans),IMHO it was picturised well because when u consider the situation where a girl is supposed to dance as two girls it is bound to be funny,ain't it?????Ya I do agree that the mood of the song was maybe spoilt a bit.Another extremely well picturised song is Chinna Chinna Aasai(Roja) which reflects the childish character of Roja
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Aug 17 04:25:21 EDT 1998
  
  Another song that b'came popular bcos of visuals is Mukkaala...(kkadhalan).
  A lot of songs of IR have been spoiled by picturisation.
  Arumbum thalire ,an extraordinary song from Chandralekha was spoilt by Vijay and the first SON of Vijayakumar -Vanitha ;-)))
  similarly, Allah un anaipadi from the same movie.
  
  I think U people have missed out BaluMahendra (camera kavignar).
  the picturisation of almost all songs he's made has been just great.
  ex: all songs from moonram pirai (poonkatru esp)
  all songs from raman abdullah.
  all songs from Marubadiyum
  all songs from ...................
  
  If u 've noticed there's something common for all his duet songs.The hero and heroine won't be singing at all.the song will be going on in the BG.for instance, Rajanodu rani vandhu serum (sadhi leelavathi).
  Poovannam (azhiyatha kolangal) and more...
  i found this type of picturisation interesting.
  
  
• From: f_ir_f (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Aug 17 05:06:33 EDT 1998
  
  Good topic Srikanth...
  Picturization is purley directors taste and I personally feel BR is the best when ever it comes to picturizing songs! But after seeing BR's work, I have a feeling that song lingers in me more and it makes the song more pleasent one!
  
  In 'sevvandhi poo mudichcha chellakka' song, he simply plays with visuals! He usually goes for one single frame/shot for one line of song to give a visual impression. Also for overlapping/layered music, he goes for overlapping / mixing two different shots! His style of picturization can be taught as lesson in film institutes I guess!
  
  In 'kaadhal mayakkam' [AVM-in puthumai peN], beats proceed with a break and Revathi also approaches her lover with 'naaNam' according to the jathi! Its really marvelous!
  
  In 'vEdham puthithu' [kaNNukkuL 100 nilavaa??], there is very good depiction: 'kathalaragaLukku ulagamE kallaai samaindhiruppathu pOl thOndriyathu'ngra line-kku lovely visual representation koNdu vandhuruppaar!
  
  kadal alai'yai kooda paattukku thagundhaarpOl songs-la use paNNi iruppar!
  
  'maanjOlai kiLi thaanO', 'koyil maNi Osai thanai',
  'adi aaththaadi iLa manasonnu', 'un veLLi kolisoli veethiyil kEttaal', 'naadham en jeevanE', 'thaamarai poovukkum' ... BR-Oda list romba perisu. I'll continue later ;)
  
  In other directors:
  
  'kuyil paattu Oh vandhethenna iLa maanE' - oh boy! I donno who has directed this! but its simply lovely! Starting prelude'la meena'vOda paatha-k-kolusu varra frame-ukkum music-um romba lovely! similar music-k-kku athE paatla pinnaadi, oru aattu-k-kutti slow motion-la thuLLum! oh.. boy! Cant describe it here! indha song sequence-kkuaagavE, kuyil paattu has become my all time favorite!
  
  In maha nadhi, 'Shri Ranga ranga' paatil, 'inbam pongum thEn gangai neeraadi'ngra line-ukkum 'thendral pOla nee aadadi'ngra line-ukkum naduvula varra small musical piece-kku, camera will move faster to catch kamal & shobana in the temple! But that fast movemnet creates some lovely patterns of the 'grill' in the koyil thaazhvaaram! Its amazing!
  
  Worst picturization-ukku:
  
  'darling darling darling' paattukku konjam kooda music sense-E illaama andha aRputhamanaa violin-ai naasthi paNNi iruppaanga!
  
  ... more later!
  
  
• From: bull (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Aug 17 06:29:25 EDT 1998
  
  IMO there is big contrast in picturisation of
  songs with most directors. For ex., the same
  BR who as Veera said (I think it was Veera)
  picturised most songs of mudhal mariyaadhai
  so well didnt do it for the songs of
  nizalgaL all that well. I think that
  especially the pUnggadhavE song was quite
  badly done though some people might argue that
  doors were shown opening etc., the doors
  themselves look pretty gaudy and the rest of the
  song is quite bland with those two just looking
  at each other. But naadodi thenRal has
  got excellent picturisation indeed!
  
  pg : Its true that the veNNilavE dance
  is a lift from An American in paris, in
  fact a lot of Prabhu Deva's dances makes one feel
  that he is a great Gene Kelly fan, but for this
  one even the settings near water etc., were the
  same (only in that movie it was shot on the banks
  of the Siene river!). But even then there is an
  element of individuality with PD's dances. Its not
  that the whole thing is lifted as it is, there are
  some few subtle changes in it too.
  Im
  certainly not an expert in this but IMHO just
  about the best picturisation is in Maniratnam's
  movies. kaNNaaLanE from Bombay is
  one of the best picturisations Ive seen.
  Including pagal nilavu with one of IRs
  masterpieces pUmaalayE thOLsEravaa
  
  

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