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Banning Hindish Singers in Tamil

Topic started by tamilian#1 (@ 66.81.114.203) on Wed Dec 4 10:15:48 EST 2002.
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I am fed up when a nice tune turns sour grapes due to the singers inability to pronounce tamil. The latest being "kadhal pesasu" from "Run".

Try pronouncing one word wrong in a Hindi song...There is a big hue and cry abt it. Even big names like SPB and KJY are made fun due to their accent.

How do we let the Tamil MD's know that a majority of us feel ROBBED of our money when the album that we buy has hindish sounding songs. let udit, sukwinder and sadhana learn to pronounce tamil properly and then come to sing...Is this too much to ask for?

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Responses:

• From: An (@ 170.140.250.40) on: Wed Dec 4 15:10:16 EST 2002
  
  I am with you on this. Wonder why these MDs opt for these singers!!! And wonder why the Producers insist on these morons who don't even make an attempt in better pronunciation. They can't get away with saying that these are saleable names!! They may be in demand in the North, but not here!!! Give me SPB, Jayachandran, madhu Balakrishnan, Yesudas, Karthik or Harish anyday!!!
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Wed Dec 4 16:54:28 EST 2002
  
  I totally agree. I was listening to a song from villain the other day, with Udit Narayan and Sadhana Sargam spoiling the song entirely. I wonder how the producers/directors take it that this kind of pronounciation is the "in style" one. We are seeing more and more songs given to such insipid pronounciations. This even makes Hariharan look like a good tamil singer!
  
  
• From: vazhippOkkan ! (@ 12.96.7.17) on: Wed Dec 4 17:07:32 EST 2002
  
  >>majority of us feel ROBBED
  
  Accept it or not, majority of such songs become hits (kaadhalikkum pennin kaigal, salaam gulaamu, till the latest kaadhal pisaase). So, the MDs tend to try more such numbers...
  
  So both, people and the MDs are to be blamed for this.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Wed Dec 4 17:24:49 EST 2002
  
  Do you guys feel that the lyrical content in present day songs is worth sung by native tamil singers?i dont think so...
  Ennennamo lyrics,yaar yaaro paadraanga..oru ezhavum puriala..
  Gone are those days when people pay attention to lyrics first when they listen a song....ellam late 70's oda pochu..
  
  
  
  
• From: vazhippOkkan ! (@ 12.96.7.17) on: Wed Dec 4 17:40:18 EST 2002
  
  peeps : are you 40+ now ? ;-)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Thu Dec 5 08:39:53 EST 2002
  
  Vazhi,
  I am elder than Shalini but younger than Ajith..:-)
  
  
• From: tamilian#1 (@ 66.81.119.107) on: Thu Dec 5 08:56:57 EST 2002
  
  I mean what is the point for udit to sing that song. we all know madhavan does not talk like that..why suddenly would he then sing this particular song "kadhal pesasu" in a hindish way...Is madhavan's character in RUN gone nuts or something.
  
  Same analogy can be used for using udit for Rajni in Muthu.
  
  How does the MD justify this move? What makes him feel that Udit is the singer for the song? Aren't there better singers who can pull of the song better?
  
  My opinion is irrespective of who the MD is he should be strongly rebuked for such a tateless move...
  
  
• From: Nazir (@ 172.166.84.182) on: Thu Dec 5 20:16:56 EST 2002
  
  yeah right why use shreya goshal for a tamil village belle character played by Rathi?
  why use sadhana sargam for nandita das in alagi..why why
  
  
• From: devakumar (@ 210.210.34.212) on: Thu Dec 5 23:09:07 EST 2002
  
  As long as people like ARR and Vidhyasagar have confidence in their own music and own singers and just dont get carried away and obsessed by North indian "Moagham",it is really tough to change this sad state and scenario of TFM.
  There was a time in between when lousy tamil singing singers like Udit,"Sick"winder Singh,etc were not quite seen and it was the rise of singers like Srinivas ,Harish Raghavendra,Sreeram etc.
  "Run" has spoilt it all again.It is only to blame Vidhyasagar to have used Udit for "Kaadhal Pesssssaaaaasssse" calling this vareity and this has become a bad precedence again for the other crazy ones.
  Please stop this shitt and see what the hindi guys do.They dont let anyone kill the nature and the flavor of the language.Malayalam is also another best example of preservation of language.
  Dont pass these sick tamil songs and pronouniciation to our next generation.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Fri Dec 6 03:06:31 EST 2002
  
  Its become a fassion to blame only ARR and some times VS.
  
  What about K, YSR and even IR who is repeatedly using SS. What about Deva and SAR.
  ARR introduced UN and SukS to tamil Audience but who used them repeatedly?
  
  LOgic has gone for a BIG DUCK.
  
  
• From: Tamilan (@ 62.199.220.2) on: Fri Dec 6 04:44:13 EST 2002
  
  I am tired of singers who can't pronount tamil words clearly like that song in Red(thill thill thill ithaly kadhil), why spoil a beautiful language as tamil. The trend was set by AR Rahman and then the other music directors copies him(deva, sar, yuv, karthikraja, vs harish jeyaraj etc).
  When will the tamil film industry realise how terrible the bad pronounciation of tamil words are nowadays. It does'n help that they use many english words ( also a trend set by rahman and the lyrics writers)
  
  Rahman shame on you
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Fri Dec 6 04:49:34 EST 2002
  
  Haa..haa..haa..
  Tamilan are always in the blaming side...they will blame the fashion but will not even hold their hands to cover their nudity...
  
  Rahman Shame on you.....it should be shame on the others...God got them the life with a bit of grey matter inside the head right...what's it doing...?
  We coolly blame the post man but fail to condemn the news.
  
  Chance illay.
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 203.124.139.195) on: Fri Dec 6 07:26:45 EST 2002
  
  Getting those Bollywood rejects and slotting them into Tamil movies opened up this Pandora's Box.
  
  When directors started saying goodbye to character actresses like Revathy, Shobana(who have an excellent knowledge of classical dance - BTW, gone are the days when aspiring artistes take formal training in classical art forms!) and injected the northies into our films, all for the sake of injecting some 'newness', we ended up having these atrocious song sequences. After all, what these imports call dance are merely a few foot-tapping routines. So the next natural step was to bring in the singers-with-an-accent.
  
  Now though, the phenomenon of having VJ sing a classical number for Revathi, or Chitra for Suhasini finds expression only in our memories. In a way, I am glad that nowadays a Chitra or a VJ are not called in to sing for these here-today-gone-tomorrow heroines! What a mismatch that would be!
  
  
• From: confused (@ 65.95.161.109) on: Fri Dec 6 07:44:13 EST 2002
  
  totally agree, hindi singers have nasty voice :)
  
  
• From: confused (@ 65.95.161.109) on: Fri Dec 6 07:44:47 EST 2002
  
  totally agree, hindi singers have nasty voice :) they all have squeky voices, not a man's voice
  
  
• From: devakumar (@ 61.11.82.229) on: Fri Dec 6 09:43:48 EST 2002
  
  It is high time that the tamil audiences show our protest against such nasty things which have gone beyond control and constantly encouraged by all md's under the leader ship of ARR.Let us buy materials which have no such lousy voices.
  Let us avoid such cd's and tapes
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.109.104) on: Fri Dec 6 10:35:53 EST 2002
  
  Where did all this hoopla go when Sadhana got her national award?
  coz she'll have no awards this yr?
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.109.104) on: Fri Dec 6 10:41:03 EST 2002
  
  Admit it folx...
  Pronunciation or prununjation, they've managed to give some beatiful pieces like Swaasame, Azhage Sugama, Konjum Mynakale; the catchy and very much suiting the hero "Kadhalikkum pennin" from Kadhalan and have even given voice to SPB in "Lucky lucky"!!!!!!
  
  Nowadays lyrix are to the extent that ppl who understand tamil wud squirm tryin to read it ,forget sing.. that's y Hindi singers are a safe bet i guess! ;)
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.109.104) on: Fri Dec 6 10:42:14 EST 2002
  
  naraya typos!
  PARDON ME! :)
  
  
• From: Maverick (@ 192.128.134.68) on: Fri Dec 6 13:09:46 EST 2002
  
  haha !! I can't believe when you people talk about condemning songs like Kaathal Pisaasu, Kulu Vaaliley, Kaathalikkum Pennin Kaigal which were made huge hits by Tamizh audiences. You guys are blaming MD's for making Hindi singers sing in TFM , but you forget the most important factor. If the people who decide the fate of these songs think of it in the same way and didn't make it a hit, obviously MD's would have stopped it. You guys listen to it again and again, enjoy it, and then come to this thread and post as if you are the guardians of Tamizh. If people really want to do something for the language there are many better ways to do it rather than commenting about these songs in TFM.
  Cmon folks !!! Every Gajaa, Subramani and Hari could see the logic of these songs becoming big hits and continue to use those singers in future. Even you and me would have done it if thats the what the people wanted.
  
  I guess it is all about the changing tastes. We would not be eating these pizzas and burgers (and all those so called 'junk food' & 'fast food') if it was not for the need to change to something different other than the traditional Dosa and Idly. As long as the Dosas and Idlies are still there , why do you worry about pizzas and burgers ? Everybody has got their own place in this world.
  
  If you are talking about other local singers not getting their chances because of this phenomenon, that won't be entirely true. BCoz all new MDs are also introducing some very good singers who are also good in Thamzih - HR, Karthik , Manicka Vinayagam .. and many more.
  I agree that a nice song like Kaathal Pisaasu did not have best of Thamizh singing, but I am not sure if it would have beome the same big hit, if such song was sung by someone without that stylish Thamizh accent. The jolly tune sounded even better with Udit's voice.
  
  And talking about ARR getting all the flak for this phenomenon, I wonder if he gets the deserved credit for introducing all the other wonderful singers in both TFM and HFM. Believe me, I am not one of those biased hardcore ARR fans. I am a fan of any good TFM, thats all. But , haven't you guys noticed that even YSR who is a 100% Thamizhan like you and me sings with a different kind of accent in many songs. You can notice that he too bends the pronounciation rules when the song's situation demands it. ("iLLamai" beomes "elamai" in some of his songs ).
  
  And I dont agree that by using Hindi singer, these song sound Hindish . I dont think that 'Kaathal Pisaasu' 'Kulu Vaaliley' 'Salaam Gulaamu' sounded like a Hindi Film song. And cmon folks, feeling like robbed of your money because someone sings 'Paravaaillai' as 'Parvailley' ?? That, I feel is a bit too much. Look at the brighter side of things !!!
  
  
• From: sukkarotti (@ 68.113.36.96) on: Fri Dec 6 13:19:34 EST 2002
  
  Jeez... Like someone said up there, most of the songs sung by non tamil singers become hits... I dont mind Udit Narayan at all... I find his accent cute. Now dont get mad at me. Its my opinion.
  
  And yeah, having him sing kaathal pisasey for a madhavan movie is.... STUPID. I dont care if the voice doesnt suit... but why give a pretty racey song to such a dud dancer like Madhavan? Bah!
  
  That was definite P.Deva song. OK... that was tad off the subject.
  
  The only song that supposedly got on my nerve was "July Malargaley"... the lady pronoucing 'malargaley' was.. very very annoying... otherwise all the other songs by non tamilians arent so bad...!
  
  

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