Topic started by Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on Sat May 30 01:10:49 EDT 1998.
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Tamil Cinema's first Chapter consisted of actors
who also sang very well. The two great stars of
that chapter were MKTB and PU Chinnappa. In the
singing department MKTB was clearly the more popular
one among the masses. But, in acting, dialogues,
fights etc., PU Chinnappa was the better one. He
was probably the first to effectively do two, three,
and even ten roles in a single movie.
We have already collected lots of information
about MKTB, thanks to Manisekaran. Shall we do
the same for PU Chinnappa?
Responses:
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg)
on: Sat May 30 05:02:00 EDT 1998
'Chandrakantha' (1936), I believe is the first
movie acted by PUC. He acted as a prince in that
movie. Though it was a success, several movies
acted by him soon after that were failures. The
movie, 'Uththama Puththiran' (1940) by Modern
Theatres gave him a lift again. (This movie was
remade later with Sivaji as the hero.) PUC acted
in dual roles (maaRupatta guNangaLai koNda
irattaiyargaL). Bharadhiyaarin senthamizh
naadennum pOdhinilE gaNeerendra PUC voice-il
indha padaththildhaan idam petradhu. sudhandhira
pOraattam soodu pidiththirundha vELaiyil ip paattum
padamum siRandha vetri petrana. Another big hit
that came soon after was 'Aryamaalaa' (1941) in
Patchiraja Films. aanandha roobiNiyE aariyamaalaa and
siva kirubaiyaal were two hit songs in that
movie. PUC acted in 10 different roles in that
movie and impressed the audience tremendously
as a great actor!
More later...
- From: pg (@ client-116-4.bellatlantic.net)
on: Sat May 30 08:49:30 EDT 1998
PUC's masterpiece was namakkini bayamEdhu ?
- From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ m42.m59.big.ac.at)
on: Sat May 30 11:51:22 EDT 1998
Hi!
namakkini bayamEdhu (rag : kalyani) was certainly a masterpiece, no doubt.
Some other songs of PUC that I can think of are :
1. kAdhal kanirasamE
2. nadaialangAram kaNdEn
3. ellOrum nallavarE, ulaginil
4. a big kathaakaalakshebam in the film Krishna Bakthi.
I will rake my brains to list more songs of PUC.
Regards
G.Ramaswamy
- From: saketh (@ calloway-b-asy-8.rutgers.edu)
on: Sat May 30 13:12:50 EDT 1998
Apart from the song "namakkini bayamEdhu" which is based on the raga kalyAni, there are few more superhit songs of PUC, two of which i can recollect immediately are
1. Nadai alankAram KandEn - KaraharapriyA (superb)
2. Chandrodhayam idhilE - ShankarAbharanam
(i personally feel this is the greatest tamil shankarAbharanam song in its pure form that i ever listened to, though there are lots of songs based on that scale. (of course, another greatest song on the raga is the well-known superhit telugu movie shakarAbharanam and the song "OmkAranAdhAnu".
- From: Vadivel (@ 202-222-131.ipt.aol.com)
on: Sat May 30 16:05:20 EDT 1998
Though I have heard of PUC, I don't know anything about him. Waiting for Manisekaran's memoirs of PUC. Is he a contemporary of Kittappa? One song in a Paandiarajan movie goes like this:
KittappA andha kAlathula kAyadha kAnagatha
P.U.ChinnappA indha kAlathula kAdhal kani rasamE
manmadha leelai MKT kAlathula
...
...
So I think PUC must have come to cine field after KittappA and one of PUC's hits must be "kAdhal kani rasamE". Am I correct?
- From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com)
on: Sat May 30 21:24:52 EDT 1998
Ramasamy Gireesan
Your mention about kaathal kanirasamE song brings back my childhood memories. (Then in cylon radio, (very) old songs were played at 5:15 AM or so, and my father was an ardent fan of MKTB ad PUC). There is a line avaL kANakkidaikkAtha thangam.. that gets repeated couple of times in one of PUC's song. Is this line from kAthal kanirasamE song? Is this song from the film jagathala pradAban? Thanks for any info.
- From: pg (@ client-116-85.bellatlantic.net)
on: Sat May 30 23:47:18 EDT 1998
One more PUC masterpiece :
sArasam vaseegara seer tharum
mugam chandra bimbam
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Sun May 31 00:18:54 EDT 1998
In 1942 PUC acted in Jupiter Pictures' kaNNagi. SV Venkatraman
was the MD and Udumalai Narayana Kavi wrote the lyrics. The lyrics
were very very good and the music was excellent. Several songs by PUC
became big hits:
anbil viLaindha amudhamE
dhEva magaL ivaL yaar
maanamellaam pOna pinnE
But the song mentioned above, chandhrOdhayam idhilE was the most
special song in this movie. adhil isaiamaippaaLar SVV Shankarabharanam
raagaththai saaRu pizhindhaar; chandhrOdhayaththai senthamizh sandham
aakkinaar udumalaiyaar; indha mayakkum rasak kalavaiyai than saareeram
enum paLinguk kOppaiyil parimaaRinaar PUC; moththaththil andha paadal
oru mukkanich chaaRu. -- ippadi solgiRadhu PUC patriya oru pazhaya
journal article.
adhE padaththil naNdu - sippi vEy kadhali naasamuRungaal, thaan
koNda karuvaiyE azhikkum koLgaiyadhu pOl endru naakkil nuzhaiyaadha
oru paadalum uNdu; adhaiyum thiruththamaagavum laavagamaagavum
paadinaar PUC.
1942-il PUC Prithiviraj endra padaththilum nadiththaar.
adhil thanakku jOdiyaaga nadiththa Sakunthala-vaiyE than nija
vaazhkkaiyilum manaivi aakkik koNdaar.
SVV-yin isaiyil PUC pala inimaiyaana paadalgaLai paadiya padam
kubErakuchElaa (1943). Pabanasam Sivan acted as KuchElaa. kaayakalpa
vagaiyaRaavil ondrai saappittu kuchElar kubEranaaga maaRum pOdhu,
vatral vadivam koNda paabanaasam sivan, vaattasaattamaana PUC-yaaga
maaRividuvaar. 'paNam pandhiyilE' endra karuththai veLiyeedum
selvamE suga jeevaadhaaram miga inimaiyaana paadal. Saamaa
raagaththilum Ranjani-yilum amaindha indhap paadal PUC-yin paavam
thadhumbum bhaaNikku nalla eduththuk kaattu. kubEra Chinnappa,
kaadhal maiyam koNdu TR Rajakumari-yai thodarum pOdhu, nadai
alankaaram kaNdEn endru uruguvaar. Karaharapriya-vai kadaindhu
eduththa siRpamaaga veLikkaattum inimaiyaana paadal.
The song, namakkini bayamEdhu in Kalyani raagam, it seems,
was made for the movie, Jegathala Pradhaaban (MD: GRamanathan).
But, it seems the song was never used for the movie.
Kavinjar Kambadhaasan 'kadhaiamaippu, paadalgaL' varaindha padam
Mangaiyarkkarasi (1949). Thaaththaa-Thandhai-Magan endru
moondru vEdangaLil PUC nadiththu asaththiya indhap padaththil varum
paadaldhaan kaadhal kanirasamE. Thyagaraja swamigaLin
naadha dhanum anisham endru Chiththaranjani raaga varNa mettai
appadiyE thazuviyadhu ip paadal. indha Carnatic mettin azhagu,
thuLiyim baadhikkap padaamal paadiyuLLaar PUC. idhE padaththil
paarththaal pasi theerum endra paadalil Chenjuritti raagaththaik
koNdu nenjuruttiyuLLaar PUC.
The article that I have also talks about a movie, manOnmaNeeyam
(1942) acted by PUC and TRRajakumari. It seems the songs in that
movie were a feast in Classical music. I will write about them later.
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Sun May 31 00:23:07 EDT 1998
PG:
The last song that you mentioned is from the movie,
Krishna Bhakthi.
- From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net)
on: Mon Jun 1 02:15:23 EDT 1998
Hi Guys,
Keep up the good work. Unfortunately I cannot comment much since my knowledge of PUC is almost non-existant. I hope we come up with lot of material on other greats of yesteryears like G.Ramanathan, Papanasam Sivan, S V Venkatraman, Subbaraman etc. We can archive these. It will benefit everyone. I am sure lot of people will be interested in these topics. It will also be a good history about the evolution of TFM.
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg)
on: Mon Jun 1 03:03:23 EDT 1998
Suresh:
For PPP I am collecting articles on SMSubbaiah Naidu,
CRSubbaraman, and PUChinnappa. The article on
SMS is ready. Since it will take some more time
to get the other articles ready, I will put the
SMS article for preview here:
http://www.cadcam.nus.sg/~mpessk/sms.html
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg)
on: Mon Jun 1 06:55:14 EDT 1998
PUC and TRRajakumari sang three duets in the movie,
manOnmaNeeyam (Modern Theatres, 1942).
They are:
1. kaNdEn kaNdEn, en kaadhal kaniyai kaNdEn
2. mOhana maamadhanaa
This song, it seems, is a very attractive tune made in
Punnagavarali raagam.
3. undranukkO iNaiyaavaar is in Bhairavi raagam.
PUC also sang two beautiful solos in the same movie:
4. vaanamudhE, maan vizhiyE, unaik kaaNbEnO
5. mOhanaanga vadhani -- Kanada raagaththil
amaindha indhap paadalil Dharbari Kanada-vum
izhaiyOdugiRadhu.
It seems all these 5 songs are wonderful. Would
we ever get a chance to listen to them? I don't know.
- From: Satish (@ cs-line13.cs.umn.edu)
on: Mon Jun 1 22:37:54 EDT 1998
PUC Song list
Here is a PUC song list. There are more empty spaces to fill this time, feel free to add to or correct the list.
One question: Do the names "Kunnakudi Venkatrama Iyer" and "S V Venkatraman" refer to the same person?
Song: Aanandha Roobiniye Aariyamaala
Film: Aryamala (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa (ten roles)
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: ??
Lyric: ??
Ragam: ??
Song: Anbil Vilaindha Amudhame
Film: Kannagi (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: S V Venkataraman
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: ??
Song: Chanddrodhayam Idhile
Film: Kannagi (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: S V Venkataraman
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: Shankarabharanam
Song: Damodhara
Film: Sudharsan (1951)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??
Song: Dheva Magal Ival Yaar
Film: Kannagi (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: S V Venkataraman
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: ??
Song: Ellorum Nallavare, Ulaginil Ellorum Nallavare
Film: Krishna Bhakthi (1948)
Star: P U Chinnappa
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: ??
Ragam: ??
Song: Enna Seithai Appa, Enna Seithai
Film: Sudharsan (1951)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??
Song: Kaadhal Kani Rasame
Film: Mangayarkkarasi (1949)
Star: P U Chinnappa (triple role)
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan, Kunnakudi Venkatarama Iyer, C R Subbaraman
Lyric: Kambasadan
Ragam: ??
Song: Kanden Kanden, En Kaadhal Kaniyai Kanden
Film: Manomaneeyam (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Md: ??
Lyr: ??
Ragam: ??
Song: Maanamellaam Pona Pinne
Film: Kannagi (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: S V Venkataraman
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: ??
Song: Mohana Maamadhanaa
Film: Manomaneeyam (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Md: ??
Lyr: ??
Ragam: Punnagavarali
Song: Mohanaanga Vadhani
Film: Manomaneeyam (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: ??
Lyr: ??
Ragam: Kaanada, Darbari Kaanada
Song: Naadha Dhanum Anisham
Film: Mangayarkkarasi (1949)
Star: P U Chinnappa (triple role)
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan, Kunnakudi Venkatarama Iyer, C R Subbaraman
Lyric: Thyagaraja
Ragam: Chittharanjani
Song: Nadai Alangaaram Kanden
Film: Kubera Kuchela (1943)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: Kunnakudi Venkatarama Iyer
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: Karaharapriya
Song: Namakkini Bayamedhu
Film: Jagadala Prathapan (1944)
Star: P U Chinnappa
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: Kalyani
Song: Nandu Sippi Vey Kadhali Naasamurungaal
Film: Kannagi (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: S V Venkataraman
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: ??
Song: Paarthaal Pasitheerum Pankajavadhana Senkani Vaai Sirippai
Film: Mangayarkkarasi (1949)
Star: P U Chinnappa (triple role)
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan, Kunnakudi Venkatarama Iyer, C R Subbaraman
Lyric: Kambasadan
Ragam: Chenchuruththi
Song: Sarasam Vasigara Kangal Seer Tharum, Mugam Chandrabimbam
Film: Krishna Bhakthi (1948)
Star: P U Chinnappa
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: ??
Ragam: ??
Song: Selvame Suga Jeevaadharam
Film: Kubera Kuchela (1943)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: Kunnakudi Venkatarama Iyer
Lyric: Udumalai Narayanakavi
Ragam: Saama, Ranjani
Song: Senthamizh Naadennum Podhinile
Film: Uttama Puththiran (1940)
Star: P U Chinnappa (double role)
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: ??
Lyric: Bharathiyaar
Ragam: ??
Song: Siva Krubaiyaal
Film: Aryamala (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa (ten roles)
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: ??
Lyric: ??
Ragam: ??
Song: Unakken Veen Kavalai
Film: Sudharsan (1951)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Papanasam Sivan
Ragam: ??
Song: Undranukko Inaiyaavaar
Film: Manomaneeyam (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Md: ??
Lyr: ??
Ragam: Bhairavi
Song: Unnadiyil Anbu Vaithen Kanna Paramatma
Film: Sudharsan (1951)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: G Ramanathan
Lyric: Bharathiyar
Ragam: ??
Song: Vaanamudhe, Maan Vizhiye, Unaik Kaanbeno
Film: Manomaneeyam (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, T R Rajakumari
Sing: P U Chinnappa
Md: ??
Lyr: ??
Ragam: ??
What are the songs in the following movies:
Film: Chanda Kantha (1936)
Star: P U Chinnappa (first movie)
Film: Prithviraj (1942)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Sakunthala
Film: Harischandra (1943)
Star: P U Chinnappa, Kannaamba
- From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-6.rutgers.edu)
on: Mon Jun 1 23:32:55 EDT 1998
satish,
The song "Enna seidhAi appa, enna seidhAi" is in the raga Sindhu Bairavi (The song which is closest to the tune set in the same ragam is "vAzhndhAlum Esum, thAzhndhAlum Esum, vaiyagam idhuthAnadA".
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