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Can ILAYARAAJA produce a good hit now..?

Topic started by Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on Sat Aug 17 06:56:47 EDT 2002.
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Hi friends ,
Of late i feel that though ILLAYARAJA is the best MD in terms of BGM ,can he give a hit now ..?Noiw pleas e do not say that bharti ,Azhagi ,Kaasi are hits ..I liked them but they are not great ..The cassete sales are good .Agreed.ILLAYARAJA desperatly fails in western beats (now ..),which is evident in DEVAN .Can he give hit like Punngai Mannan ,Veera,Thalapthi ..For the past four years ILLAS has kept quiet .I don't expect him to deliver music like Ar Rehman ,but can he deliver the music which he delivered 10 years ago ...?Something very different ,Melodious .
Even his latest ventures IVAAN ,Enn MANA VAAANIL are not great .IVAAN is good ,but when compare dto SINDU Bhairavi ...sorry ..ENN MANA VAANIL is just average ...say a simlar movie like KIzhagu Vasal had great songs ...!

what do u say ..?

IF i remember his last "GREAT" hit was KAdaluku MArriyadhai .....What do u say friends ..?

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Responses:

• From: sabesan (@ 172.149.64.81) on: Sat Aug 17 07:01:39 EDT 2002
  
  Bharathi ?
  
  
• From: Nane than (@ 203.197.138.199) on: Sat Aug 17 07:07:28 EDT 2002
  
  Hear Azhagi ..
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Sat Aug 17 07:10:45 EDT 2002
  
  hello Nane thaan ,
  i hgeard AZHAGi .it was good .But is it as good as AVATHARAM or VARSHUM 16 which he gave 10 years before and were great hits .I fel ILLAS songs have gone out of craze .Even a recycler like HARRIS JEYARAJ is able to produce some music which has some craze ....
  
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Sat Aug 17 07:54:32 EDT 2002
  
  Mumbai ramki:
  
  I feel that U are a genuine fan. People like me who are in love with IR, but only of IR who was musically dead after 1992-94 are terriblly disappointed with his music righ now.
  
  The examples that you gave were great. The Kizhakku Vasal had no western beats, it simply had folk and he composed a folk song changing a Symphony (Veettukku Veedu). That is what I call greatness. I will call that a blatant copy, if I am forced to, but if you look at it is the mark of the genieous. Listen to Anjali, or Punnagai Mannan, do you think you can get such an Ir again? Major factor why IR seems to have lost his touch is because, he is trying to play music in ARR trendy way and eventually losing his midas touch. Why should he compose songs like what he composed in Devan. LEave those that don't come to you naturally. Albums like Avadharam, Bharathi are gems, even a Non-IR fans like me will have it as a collection, but that's it.
  
  I think, ARR fans are very clear about one think. They know what to expect from ARR and what to expect from IR. What we want is those strings and beats that IR of 80's used to give. The violin that comes from the behind and layers of it one by one unfold and vanish. Now, wouldn't that make people in TN gifted. They can hear both sorts of music, one with acaustic sound and other a completely ultra mordern one. Each one can have their preferences and still enjoy other one. IR left his ground thinking of conquering other.
  
  The greatness of a man lies in his rise. The graph should always have an upward direction. IR's one seems to be more or less horizontal.
  As a music fan of IR before 1990's, I express my anguish like this.
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 213.121.246.138) on: Sat Aug 17 08:28:10 EDT 2002
  
  When IR was new and taking the tfm by storm, there was one humble humility that showed his character as a technician - The movie titles always portrayed as
  'Music (or Isai) - Illayaraja'
  No other added varnanais to that. It was simple and showed a lot of character. I think the first pattam given was 'Innisai Illaval'. But when it came to movie titles it was plain and simple - Isai: IR. For a long time to remember it was this way and perhaps it was one area where the music director had a say. either he could have added some extra title or leave as simple as it. But it changed in the 90s. Maestro and Isaignani started appearing. The simple, plain IR is what the fans are looking for now.
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Sat Aug 17 09:06:32 EDT 2002
  
  Define hit... Mumbai Ramki?? If IVAN is not great what is great tell me!!! All you have to judge is whether the songs fit the movie or not!! Illayaraja is not someone like Britney spears where you can compare her one more time album with oops i did it again. If the movie requires songs like that from Sindhu Bhairavi he can defenitely give songs like that. A man who gave songs in 1985 cannot do that in 2002? Is that what your argument? Do you think he lost his brain alongthe way? I don't what is the purpose of starting this thread other than starting an IR vs ARR fight. You can very well do this on other threads.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.2) on: Sat Aug 17 09:28:55 EDT 2002
  
  Athe 4 per..Athe Javvu...Athe Chewing...Athe Matter..Udungappa...Puthusa ethavathu try pannunga!! :)))
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Sat Aug 17 09:31:17 EDT 2002
  
  Hi Unmai ,
  
  Songs are not just to fit the film ...When i hear it offline (other than with the film) it should be soothing ...This is the real hit ....If it is sufficent just to fit the film then i wil never buy the caassete ..
  
  Even in IVANN ,they may fit .may be .But it should be something more than that .My purpose is not to start an AR vs ILlas fight ..
  
  Iam not syaing ILLAS cannot do that but he is not doing that .Songs should be exciting ,new ,and should have depth .Well ILLAS music has depth but does not have freshness which was once there .
  
  It is not just a single movie which iam referring to ...a lot o movies since 1994 ..There are some exceptions like SETHU,KADALUKU MARAYIDHAI(exciting music ),HEYRAM(Fresh,In-Depth Music) ,TIME(Fresh-6 songs each of one type-that's want we want)..
  
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Sat Aug 17 09:52:20 EDT 2002
  
  You yourself have mentioned Sethu, Heyram, Time are good. You also mentioned Kadhalukku Mariyathai is the last hit. What are you trying to prove? I don't find anything wrong with IVAN compared to the craps like BABA, PANCHATHANDIRAM i get to listen to these days.Bharathi is really good. May be you don't like little heavy carnatic music. I like it. That's why i love IVAN. You don't have to listen to it 1000 times to like it.
  Just listen to it once without any bias in a quiet place, you will enjoy sudha ragunathan's brilliant vocal.
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Sat Aug 17 10:21:02 EDT 2002
  
  hi Unmai ,
  HEYRAM,SETHU,TIME
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Sat Aug 17 10:25:04 EDT 2002
  
  hi Unmai ,
  HEYRAM,SETHU,TIME
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Sat Aug 17 10:25:17 EDT 2002
  
  hi Unmai ,
  HEYRAM,SETHU,TIME ,KM are four movies .He has done 75 films in thae past 5 years i supose ......
  
  
• From: K (@ 208.171.9.162) on: Sat Aug 17 13:35:15 EDT 2002
  
  The answer to this question, in my opinion, is how you define a "hit".
  
  If you are talking about quality in music and excellence in composition and orchestration, it is my opinion that IR is not only continuously offering that but has become more and more sophisticated in that quest. Just in the last 10 years, IR's compositions have been mindblowing eventhough not well known. Long time ago, I started a thread of un/under appreciated songs to list tons of them. Albums like Veera, Rajakumaran, Mahanadhi, Pattu Paada Vaa, Pattu Vadhyar, Siraichalai, Avatharam, Guru, Yathra Mozhi, Moga Mull, Nilave Mugam Kaatu, Pooncholai, Bharathy, Time, KM, are the well known examples. But let's take some of the one that havent gottent the recognition..like Sethupathy IPS - the songs in this movie are unbelievable all based on western classical tunes...How about songs from Kannathal, Sendhooram, Karuvelam Pookal, Kadavul, Karisakattu Poove (Aaayiram Kodi), Rettai Roja. In terms of variety, IR has given westren classical, pop, folk, carnatic - all during the past decade with the same ease. I do no think there has been any drop in IR's quality or excellence of composition. They have become more sophisticated over time. I have been an IR fan since 1976/77 and look forward to his new albums with the same level of interest as before.
  
  But if you define hit, by the number of people who clamour for his albums, they have had a significant decrease and may never catch up again. I have my own opinion as to this chasm between this difference. The latest craze in the last decade was based on a generation that craves for acceptance by the hindi audience and being considered hit. So if you chose to cater to just that audience by being aligned to the manirathnams and the hindi actresses club, instead of having the courage to charter various forms of music, the hip club would consider it hip to listen to your music. The latest trend in singing where even singers who know Tamil well try to sing with a slang for the song to be considered hip is a great example of this insecurity. Now, if IR albums need to be selling like this, it can easily be acieved with clever marketing and positioning. (I am in marketing and have given this a lot of thought and it can be easily done).
  
  However, IR who has achieved that part of being #1 for so many years and probably more interested in pushing the limits in terms of quality of composition (hence the interst in movies like Kutti, Karuvelam Pookal, Bharthathy, Azhagi etc.) may not be driven by the drive of being #1 in album sales and hence a moot point.
  
  Just my thoughts.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Sat Aug 17 13:37:33 EDT 2002
  
  "People like me who are in love with IR, but only of IR who was musically dead after 1992-94 are terriblly disappointed with his music righ now."
  
  Another term for this is 'gypsy'. Poor unrested souls.
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.253.40) on: Sat Aug 17 18:20:47 EDT 2002
  
  K,
  I liked your posting.
  The variety IR continues to provide in his music is awesome. Even though all songs or albums of his of late may not be big hits, (thanks to many factors, including poor marketing/audio companies/ poduction houses), one cannot simply get away with accusations like 'he's lost his touch, he can't compose for today's generation etc.).. That's hogwash. For every classic 'Edhilum Ingu IruppAn Avan yAro', he comes up with a trendy, youthful 'appadi pAkradunnA vENAm', stylish and innovative compositions in their own right.
  
  I strongly feel that most of the songs he composed in the 80's were well ahead of their times. And if a movie today with a new-generation MD has to come out with just one 'guest' song from his repertoire, it is bound to be lapped up by the people, and most probably be the best song in the album.
  He's not in a hurry to prove a point and seems to be comfortable accepting assignments in his own pace and his own terms. Some of his choices sure are questionable, but he may have his own reasons (and because of these reasons, he still continues to be an enigma)!
  In fact I see a renewed vigor in his releases of late. For every dull song, he makes up with an outstanding composition in the same album. As a fan of Indian Music, I can live with that. And am looking forward to some of the non-film projects that he's so passionate about.
  NamachivAya... any news on its progression?
  
  
• From: nac (@ 65.191.53.57) on: Sat Aug 17 19:17:19 EDT 2002
  
  i feel Illayaraja is coming back strongly. Ivann and kathal saathi are two good soundtracks which has more than a couple of songs in the TRUE maestro style. I think he's du out for a real big one.
  
  

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