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Two or Three more Harris Jayaraj can throw ARR out of field.

Topic started by Anbu (@ 12.92.216.95) on Thu Apr 5 14:59:58 EDT 2001.
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Before Deva there was a morality in TFM, not use other MDs style of music. When Deva broke that barrier and started doing "doop" role for IR, MDs like Sirpi and numerous MDs who came at that time started imitating IR, people got bored with IR's music style.

ARR's uniqueness is Sound Quality, Similarly when MDs like HJ started imitating ARR's style and sound, it will make people to become sick of his music.

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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 5 15:51:43 EDT 2001
  
  Well..sick maybe a too strong a term...ARR will probably lose his uniqueness..Which means he will not be able to command his high salary ? But why does it take almost 10 years to replicate his sound ?? what is the chidambara ragasiyam ?
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.36) on: Thu Apr 5 16:03:27 EDT 2001
  
  kiru
  
  Look at it this way. Other MDs had to listen to at least 200 songs (50 movies) to get a grasp of that chidhambara ragasiyam. That ARR took 10 years to compose those 200 songs is a different matter :-)))
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 63.97.162.76) on: Thu Apr 5 16:06:58 EDT 2001
  
  Just a curious question doubter? Even after 25 years has some been able to reproduce IR's notes or even come close to it??
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Apr 5 16:12:14 EDT 2001
  
  Why HJ?Can't people like IR or YSR or KR throw ARR off the field?
  If you are expecting two or three HJ's to do what IR can't do I won't agree with u.
  Don't underestimate IR.Have faith.He will come up with music that can overthrow ARR.
  
  Hope IR answers my prayers.
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Thu Apr 5 16:12:35 EDT 2001
  
  kiru:
  
  I talked to my cousin last weekend. He said that minnalE songs are super duper hit in Madurai. I believe that is the case all over tamilnadu.
  
  But why does it take almost 10 years to replicate his sound ?? what is the chidambara ragasiyam ?
  
  Even I asked this question for long time myself. One reason might be getting hold of right kind of equipment is not an easy task in India. Then you have to have the learning curve to know how to use them properly. Harris had that chance by working with Rahman. Now he is on roll. But I believe Deva did a decent job imitating him in 'aasai' just with in 5 years of Rahman's entry.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.234) on: Thu Apr 5 17:34:20 EDT 2001
  
  "Vaseegara" is an ARRish song if you consider only the most obvious factors. But does 'Minnale' have equivalents of "Pudhu Vellai Mazhai", "Tamizha Tamizha", "Rukkumani Rukkumani" and "Kadhal Rojave" to really qualify HJ as someone who can overthrow ARR? It was not just "Chinna Chinna Aasai" that did IR in, though it symbolized what 'Roja' as an album did to IR's popularity. More MDs like HJ would probably saturate ARR's uniqueness, but overthrow him? Not unless ARR decides to walk away (which he might inadvertently end up doing, going by his ADD with regards to TFM these days)! Strangely enough, IR did something like that with his Symphony when ARR first burst upon the scene - not to take away any credit from ARR.
  
  Trend, it is a pity that IR is no longer able to capture the imagination as he did during his peak. But that's true of all MDs. Sometimes I wish ARR were only as prolific as IR to use this most productive phase of his life as an MD. His fans might find a shortage of songs once he is no longer No.1! I don't grudge IR his mediocre albums over the years because even today, 9 years after I first became an ardent IR fan, I can still "discover" a "Pattasa Chuttu Chuttu Podatuma" from 'Poove Poochoodava'.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.231) on: Thu Apr 5 17:39:01 EDT 2001
  
  And seriously guys, some of the absolutely CRAPPY songs that I have been unfortunate enough to listen to while travelling in my colleague's car only reinforce the belief that most of these MDs are to ARR what SAR, CB, Deva and SG were to IR - poor, poor imitations!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 5 18:34:49 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is a product of the cultural transformation that has been taking place in TN. The cultural transformation was aided and abetted by Cable TV, Internet and the liberalised economy. Shankar/ManiRatnam unshered in the yuppie trend, just like BR/BhagyajAj et. al brought in the rustic theme to Tamil Movies. This was a perfect time for ARR to bring in his Western POP inspired melodies and rhythm. rOja was a fantastic debut album. It had the new recording/beats but also the strings/violins which people were used to. The harsh real instrument recordings were replaced with rolled off synth sounds. The by now ubiquitous tabla was totally/nearly absent. Even the drums were synth drum kit. All in all a totaly new sound. Enter ARR !!! ARR then almost totally dropped the Strings, went on to compose songs with the rhythm first and with totally unique groove in every song. This novelty in sound, in every song, even if it had some old tunes mixed in or remade found ready acceptance.
  To supplement his own efforts in coming up with a new rhythm/groove ARR scours around the world for new rhythm sounds. He uses them as is or modifies them. Listens to lots of loops/libraries as part of the research. He listens to songs from around the world to see how they are orchestrated. He will, for example, borrow reggae beats for chinna chinna aasai.
  
  Contrast with IR - knows folk music well, learns carnatic and WCM thoroughly. Has all the basii compositional techniques in his head by now. Goes on to create his own version of songs or what a song should sound like. He starts with a melody, comes up with a nice accompaniment on tabla/mridhangam/drums or a combination of these. He uses his WCM techniques to orchestrate the interludes etc. Voila you have a IR song ..one has nice drums, one has just tabla. One has drums in the pallavi, mridhangam in the interlude and tabla in the charanam etc. Sometimes he maintains the groove throughout, sometimes he has pure melodic interlude..No strict pattern, no strict formula.. You dont know what to expect..But surely musical if you had the patience to give it a listen.
  
  Anyways, I am digressing too much. Recording wise I think I know what ARR is doing. With IR, the instruments are in the background, vocals in the foreground. ARR its the other way (the vocals have more reverb than the instruments).
  YSR is also recreating this sound, but his equipment is not as good as ARR's.
  
  Should IR try to overthrow ARR ? This should be talked about in commercial success alone. Because when it comes to songs there's not much I think IR has not done. He has 'been there and done that'. Maybe KR and YSR can fight it out. IR probably should do something bigger than songs. Along the lines of HTNI or NBW.
  
  
  
• From: jujube (@ 129.24.244.224) on: Thu Apr 5 18:39:49 EDT 2001
  
  i dont understand why some people have so much hatred towards arrahman!? and why somebody should overthrow him??
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 5 18:41:38 EDT 2001
  
  BTW, I wanted to conclude that IR is a genre creator than a follower. Many more MDs in the future can always look to his songs for inspriation and guidance in compositional techniques.
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 199.166.248.180) on: Thu Apr 5 19:31:04 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru
  
  I have lost that impression on IR (that he is only a trend-setter and not a trend-follower), when he started giving songs to singers like Hariharan, Shankar Mahadevan et al.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 5 20:56:27 EDT 2001
  
  Raising to heights and falling distance downward is naturural. Backtracking the music history, we see this downfall becomes inevitable for all, irrespective of their great aptitudes. At every crossroads, the simplest possible explanation repeatedly given was the change in trend (I don't mean you, Trend). Going a stride forward, it can easily be verified that this breakdown occurs when the flavor is overtasted for a long duration..Somebody pointed out that IR's fall-down was an eventuality of Deva, SAR,Sirpi etc..Well..I beg to mention that this fall down hits more rigorusly the toppers and not the mediocres. That means Deva,SAR etc..etc die hard..This matters little as they don't anticipated to leave any fingerprints either..Coming to ARR, I see a group of people tasting every cup of ARR's soup, irrespective of its matching taste...ARR himself is wee cautious from collapsing...With the value of music insights he has this event is supposed to be much faster than any other,s...The columns holding back the brige could well be the composing for hindi films, contacts, hypes, popularity wave etc..etc..Unfortunately, the publicity for hindi films abroad is much more compared to poor tamil films...for time being, HJ's restaurant also supplies a similar soup probably for a lower price....KR..YSR...have also lighted and decorated their hotels...change in the perception of listeners is inevitable and goes according to nature's theory..If ARR not today, for sure tomorrow....However, from the starting onwards, IR seem to be let alone in this Cat-rat pursuit...he secured his track properly and cared to maintain his track unmatched by anyone...Many of IR's creations stimulate the moods and sentiments and thus stick in the thoughts forever..
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 5 20:59:45 EDT 2001
  
  there is typo,
  
  "the starting onwards, IR seem to be let alone in this Cat-rat" should be read as "IR seems..."
  
  sorry for that
  
  
  
• From: ddd (@ 161.142.100.85) on: Thu Apr 5 22:43:09 EDT 2001
  
  going back to same MD over and over and over again spoils the TFM as an industry. It happened to IR, happening with Deva and SAR.
  
  They (producers and great film makers) must use alternatively good talents like IR, ARR, YSR, KR, HR, PM, Vidhyasagar, Adithyan, Deva, SAR, for each forthcoming films so that we taste some variety and no one will be overthrown just like that. Tamil film industry can be considered one of the most static industry with very slow progerrrrssion. I hope u understand the whole issue.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 209.197.171.167) on: Thu Apr 5 23:04:51 EDT 2001
  
  It happened
  
  An ARR-versus someone other than IR feud:-)).
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Fri Apr 6 08:48:13 EDT 2001
  
  From: jujube (@ 129.24.244.224) on: Thu Apr 5 18:39:49 EDT 2001
  
  
  i dont understand why some people have so much hatred towards arrahman!? and why
  somebody should overthrow him??
  
  Hatred is caused by jealousy. ARR should be the only MD in history of IFM to be criticised,scrutinised and hated to this level for no fault of his other than giving good music
  and liked by public throughout the world.
  We should learn to live with it(and probably he does too:))
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Apr 6 09:15:33 EDT 2001
  
  I really didn't get the reason for the hatred over arrahman. But now I got it.
  
  People who really don't know about the talents of IR are thinking ARR dominated IR in music field. That inferiority complex transfomed into hatred towards Rahman.
  
  You pitiest creatures of the world, please try to understand the music not the music directors.
  
  

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