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Is there NO replacement for the Melody King Dr.IR

Topic started by babaji (@ 194.223.244.7) on Tue Oct 26 11:15:36 EDT 2004.
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Dear all,

IR is undoubtly the GREATEST melody Composer in TFM history, likes of the great MSV, KVM (the DON of carnatic), GKV,Raveendiren, all come several steps down the ladder!.

I feel VS was the best Melody composer after IR in the 90's, but now he is producing trashes with Udit Narayan.

When are we going to get an MD like IR?

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Responses:

• From: babaji (@ 194.223.244.7) on: Tue Oct 26 11:28:57 EDT 2004
  
  oops Typing error
  
  it shoul be read as 'Undoubtedly'
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.101.37.98) on: Tue Oct 26 11:36:16 EDT 2004
  
  Even if there IS a replacement, will he be accepted as one? :)
  
  
• From: hehehewalrus (@ 130.127.54.133) on: Tue Oct 26 11:58:15 EDT 2004
  
  appadi kelu :)
  
  
• From: sudalai (@ 203.101.73.165) on: Tue Oct 26 12:13:43 EDT 2004
  
  After seven wonders.. is there an eight wonder..?? ;-)
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.101.37.98) on: Tue Oct 26 12:16:46 EDT 2004
  
  naan illai? =P
  
  
• From: babaji (@ 194.223.244.7) on: Tue Oct 26 12:27:41 EDT 2004
  
  Sudalai,
  
  "
  After seven wonders.. is there an eight wonder..?? ;-)"
  
  yes in the name of Aishwariy Rai ;)))
  
  
• From: L (@ 144.42.9.102) on: Tue Oct 26 12:31:14 EDT 2004
  
  For many of those who were teenagers during mid 1960s, MSV is irreplaceble...
  
  For many of those who were teenagers during the start of 1980s, IR is the ONE...
  
  For many of those who were teenagers during mid 1990s, ARR is the ONE.
  
  No matter how old these guys (actually us) become, their affection to their respective MDs won't change, because of one simple fact.. MANASUKKU VASAYAVATHILLAI...
  
  Or I can say it like this.
  
  Our thoughts doesn't age like our body does.
  
  I was a teenager during Mid 1980s. So I belong to IR generation.
  
  Aaana, innaikkum 1990 la, mudhal dhadavai (and orey dhadavai) paartha (pesinadhu kooda illai) andha ponnai ninaichaa manasula oru minnal adikkudhu..(eventhough heared that she is married to someone and living happily)..
  
  Adhey madhiri, in the midst of "Enakkoru Girl Friend Venumada", "Manmadha Raasa" etc, if I hear that Ilayaraja voice singing "Then paandi cheemaiyilae".... heart one second stop aayidudhu..
  
  "Raasavey vunnai
  Kaanadha Nenju".. ketkirappo idhayam kulunguthu...
  
  Appuram
  "Poovey, Ilaya Poovey
  Varam tharum vasanthamey" nnu ketkum bothu, oru mayiliragu vandhu idhayathai varududhu..
  
  Idhai adutha generation la irukkiravanga purinjikka mudiyadhu. Naangalum ARR ai purinjikka mudiyadhu. Enna manasu innum ilamaiya, 1980s la thaan irukku. May be oru 10 varusham kazhichu neengalum (ARR gen) appadi solluveenga.
  
  So, indha vunmaiyai purinji kitta, who is REPLACEBLE or IRREPLACEBLE nnu sandaiyea varadhu..
  
  L
  
  
• From: hhhw (@ 130.127.104.24) on: Tue Oct 26 12:54:22 EDT 2004
  
  L, I was a teen in mid 90s but still like IR :)
  
  
• From: L (@ 144.42.9.100) on: Tue Oct 26 13:05:49 EDT 2004
  
  hhhw,
  
  Vara vara newtfmpage-ukku vulla vandhaaley high-courtukku vara madhiri jaakiradhaiyaa irukka vendi irukku :-)
  
  Anyway, I only said "For many of those who were teenagers.. " and not "For all who were teeneagers..."
  
  
  L
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.101.37.98) on: Tue Oct 26 13:11:34 EDT 2004
  
  ushaara irukaaru! :)
  
  
• From: rs (@ 61.1.201.146) on: Tue Oct 26 13:38:26 EDT 2004
  
  yeah L is right...even now my father loves only MSV music and kannadasan padalgal.. i was crazy about rahman in last 90's .
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Oct 26 14:27:58 EDT 2004
  
  L may have a point in people being nostalgic about their younger years and so being fond of MDs of their times.
  But re: MSV and IR - I think the major difference is in style. MSV always let the vocals flow freely. He used WCM only in the preludes/interludes predominantly. IR even 'messes' with the main tune adding chords and other WCM ornamentations. An anectode to support this point - I have a CD containing kochu kochu santhoshangal and another malayalam movie. The older folks in my house prefer the malayalam movie songs better than kochu kochu santhoshangal. This malayalam movie is a recent one (and surely not by MSV). The reason older folks like this is because it is purely carnatic based. Not much WCM there.
  
  I dont think this is the case (difference in fundamental style) between IR and the new MDs. IR also has done similar things like the new MDs, except the beats were different (and they were called dappanguthus one time :))
  
  
  
• From: MumbaiRamki (@ 151.148.60.180) on: Tue Oct 26 14:43:56 EDT 2004
  
  Messes ???_ probably this is what they call as harmony and counterpoint in WCM ......
  
  
• From: kadi (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Tue Oct 26 16:28:35 EDT 2004
  
  k, kochu kochu santhoshangalum malayalam thane?:-))
  
  
• From: hhhw (@ 130.127.119.189) on: Tue Oct 26 20:56:26 EDT 2004
  
  chinna chinna aasai tamil thane? :)
  
  
• From: sid (@ 67.166.209.213) on: Wed Oct 27 00:11:57 EDT 2004
  
  L,
  neenga enna sandhai le sindu padina matri iruk :)
  "Nybaham varude nybaham varude" types
  
  
• From: rs (@ 203.101.42.78) on: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 EDT 2004
  
  sid athu sandhai la sindhu illa sandhu la sindhu
  
  silarukku carnatic pidikkum
  silarukku western jazz pidikkum
  silarukku hindustani pidikkum
  
  music gnanam illatha silarukku manmadha rasathan pidikkumm
  
  avaravar virupam......... :)
  
  in my view , probably only in tamilnadu or rather in india, ppl (including me ) are more attached to the artistes rather than thier composition itself..for them even appreciating a fellow artiste's work is like insulting their favorite.. that is why we see threads like ' Parasuram - Hit of the century, i cant stop raving about the songs, return of the master, etc., ' and 'Konji pesalam - excellent melody, unrecognized gems, inner depth life, only geniuses can appreciate' . If we cud come out of this it will be better not only for us but for our favorite musicians also........
  
  saying this my liking for ARR stems not only for his awesome music but it is mostly for his character selfless, non-egoistic, humble... i am a fan of ARR ever since pudhiya mugam and was praying for success every time he releases an album :)
  
  
• From: babaji (@ 194.223.244.7) on: Wed Oct 27 05:53:50 EDT 2004
  
  K,
  
  "MSV always let the vocals flow freely. He used WCM only in the preludes/interludes predominantly"
  
  So true!!!
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Oct 27 14:05:18 EDT 2004
  
  Mumbai Ramki,
  I said 'messes' from the point of view of a indian/carnatic music purist.
  Lets take two songs from the same movie and see how IR caters to the purist and the young/lay crowd.
  'andhi mazhai pozhigirathu' -This song has all the indicators of a 'modern' song. It starts with a heavy beat and beads, drums, a different electonica sounding chorus and a stylish tune(it is not your 'grandpa's tune :)). Even the mridhangam plays a pattern that is normally played on drums. But IR cannot let go his hands without his creative touch. He brings in his own gury TV Gopalakrishnan for the first interlude. TVG's voice contrasts with the modern voice of the main singers. It is also like a 'sample' as they would say it these days. TVG's aalapanai bit is also added to the main tune in the two charanams. Note, the main singers continue to sing in their own stylish way without resorting to classic carnatic. If at all the singers need to some 'stretching of the notes' it is overlaid with the singing of another in the end of the charanams. The second interlude is mainly piano and strings and it is an exploration/version of the same phrases sung TVG but now in a WCM style.
  
  'azhage azhagu' - this song should surely appeal to the purists. One line of the tune flows smoothly to another (unlike andhi mazhai). The singing is full of gamakams. again the interludes are very modern with bass guitar and other instruments, all exploring the main tune from a rock/wcm music point of view.
  
  So IR uses WCM aspects more as an innovation or as a different version of the indian tune. The music is still rooted in indian origins and the content/quality is very high.
  
  
• From: thumburu (@ 83.89.145.50) on: Wed Oct 27 16:28:34 EDT 2004
  
  I feel ARR and VS have effectively replaced IR in melody. Sample these
  ARR's "ennuyir thozhye", "theekuruvi" from KKS
  VS's "aalankuyil", "vizhiyil vizhiyil" from Chathurangam. Amazing amalgamation of novelty and melody roots. Even raja is not able to do this offlate.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Wed Oct 27 22:50:47 EDT 2004
  
  "Even raja is not able to do this offlate."
  
  Congrats! You are the first person who is able to analyze what IR is able/unable to do.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.101.33.179) on: Wed Oct 27 23:50:41 EDT 2004
  
  I've always felt a lotta ppl have been able to analyse what IR's able/unable to do.
  
  And I've also realised thumburu's the only one who got away w/ his analysis! :)
  
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.204) on: Wed Oct 27 23:51:03 EDT 2004
  
  arambhichitaanya.....
  aiyoo...ini deepavali thaan
  
  
• From: babaji (@ 194.223.244.7) on: Thu Oct 28 05:28:52 EDT 2004
  
  Thumburu,
  
  "I feel ARR and VS have effectively replaced IR in melody."
  
  vare vaa, pineeteengha ponga :(
  
  pls list some of IR's melodies, if you know any, (Obviously NOT) well, if you have heard IR's late 70's still Mid 90's melodies you would not comment like this !!
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.101.39.55) on: Thu Oct 28 05:42:43 EDT 2004
  
  I dont get it..
  u ask us if there's a replacement. If someone does give u an answer, u dont (not too surprisingly) agree at all.
  y ask in the 1st place?
  
  

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