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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.91) on: Sat Jun 1 01:31:23 EDT 2002
  
  Does anyone know who maintains the database:
  http://asp.newtfmpage.com/list.asp
  
  It is in major disarray. Should we look to clean it up? It seems there are sufficient enthu folks here.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.120) on: Sat Jun 1 06:01:31 EDT 2002
  
  IR_fan,Kaathirunda mullai is in Amrithavarshini in pallavi,panthuvarALi in the 2nd interlude and both the charanams.
  But the last line in the charanms "Asai konjam tulla tulla..." goes totally out of rAgam-neither amrithavarshini,nor panthuvarALi,but I think the intention of the M.D was to make it sound like amrithavarshini in another pitch,in which he HAS been successful,I think,coz it DOES sound amrithavarshini to me.If u take the pitch in which the whole song is set in,the swaras for that line wud b-Ma1DaMa1Ma1Ma1Ga3Ma1Ga3Ma(twice)SaMa1Ga3Ma1SaMa1Ga3Ma1SaMa1Ga3Ma1...
  But I tend to hear the above swarAs more easily(i.e intuitively) as SaGa3SaSaSaNi3SaNi3Sa(twice)PaSaNi3SaPaSaNi3SaPaSaNi3Sa,which makes it amrithavarshini.So,shruthibhedam again!
  And from "todarum todarum.."-it is PaGa3SaGa3SaNi3...
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Sat Jun 1 07:15:18 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhujha,
  
  Pretty interesting, abt 'kaathirundha malli'....
  
  i cud see panthuvarali...but i thought even for the pallavi, i felt it is panthuvarali without the rishabham..and u r right abt the tune seemingly shooting out of range in charanams at the end ("asai konjam thulla thulla")..but still does it not follow the panthuvarali protocol?
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.110) on: Sat Jun 1 11:36:53 EDT 2002
  
  Ok, going back to R4 (Raghupathi Raghava Raja Ram), in Hindustani, it is attributed to Raga Gara:
  Listen to:
  http://www.itcsra.org/sra_raga/sra_raga_that/sra_raga_that_links/raga.asp?raga_id=72
  
  and
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/s/?q=Gara&c=0101
  
  Equivalent HFM songs:
  Unke khayal aye to ate chale gaye - Laal Pathhar
  Tere mere sapne ab ek rang hain - Guide
  Jivanmen piya tera sath rahe - Gunj Uthi Shehnai
  Thumak chalat ram chandra - Bhajan
  Kabhi khud pe kabhi haalaath pe ronaa aayaa - Hum Dono
  
  This should be Kaapi??
  
  When someone said that Shubra Guha (same babe singing in the first clip) has sung R4 in Jaijaiwanti - seemed strange but as I poked around found one dude talking about a theory on a form of JJ being a Gara derivative. Listen to:
  
  http://www.sawf.prohosting.com/des/jha_jaijaivantispeak.ram
  
  ... getting too complicated
  
  
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.11) on: Sat Jun 1 12:37:01 EDT 2002
  
  IR_fan,definitely,that line is not PanthuvarALi-how can it be,when it shows Ma1,Da2?Even in "the other shruthi" i wud call it amrithavarshini coz it omits both Ri and Da-so also in the pallavi-that's y I think the pallavi is amrithavarshini(i.e no Ri,no Da)
  Sundar Atre,me HindustAni illiterate-cud u tell me the carnatic equivalent of "rAg Gara"?And if I'm not wrong,Jaijaivanti is equivalent to DwijAvanti?I didn't follow what u'r confusion is.
  That lecture on Jaijaivanti was a nice piece.
  BTW,I feel R4 DOES sound like DwijAvanti.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ) on: Sat Jun 1 20:18:46 EDT 2002
  
  Experts,
  What raga is "Konji Konji" in veera...for me it sounds like Dharmavathy...pls confirm
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.242.27) on: Sat Jun 1 22:12:55 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhuja, can u just indicate the swaras for the pallavi of 'kathirundha malli', as you see it? Then it will make it clear...
  
  Ram, adhai Dharmavathi'nnu sonna MS udhaippar
  :-). Yerkanave naan solli vaangi kattikitten :-)). MS sonnaaru,"11,12 swaras use panra paattukku raga base solradhu aniyaayam"
  
  Is 'priyasaki en priyasaki' from Gopura vasalile too set in simmendramadhyamam?
  
  IR, i tried sending 'kathirundha malli' to ur hotmail account, it keeps bouncing back...can u suggest a way out?
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.165.4) on: Sat Jun 1 22:15:05 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhuja, you will find this quite useful to get Hindustani-Carnatic translations. I don't know much myself - must have guessed by the empty vessel syndrome - but interest it there to learn.
  
  http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/cat4.html
  
  These guys say that Pilu in Hindustani and Kaapi in Carnatic are similar and give this set of notes:
  Arahonam: 'N S G m P 'n D P S'
  Avarohanam: S' N d P d P m g R S 'N S
  
  Is that true?
  
  Another site:
  http://www.nerur.com/music/ragalist.php
  
  gives a completely different set of notes for kapi, containing only one Ga and one Ni - which is clearly not compatible with R4
  
  Gara notes are given in this site:
  http://www.dhadkan.com/classic/cla10g.htm
  
  Arahonam:SaRe Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni Sa.
  Avarohanam: Sa Ni (flat) Dha Ni (flat) Pa Ma Ga Re Ga (flat) Re Sa.
  
  I think the earlier site:
  http://www.itcsra.org/sra_raga/sra_raga_that/sra_raga_that_links/raga.asp?raga_id=72
  
  may be more accurate.
  
  So what TFMs to compare R4 with?
  
  btw, Jaijaiwanti and Dhqijawanti are the same.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.137) on: Sat Jun 1 22:24:08 EDT 2002
  
  IR_fan,the swarAs for the 1st line:GaSaSaSaNiSaNiSa(twice)PaSaNiSaPaSaNiSaPaSaNiSa(Ga3,Ni3).
  Sundar Atre,will look into all those links in a short while....
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.165.4) on: Sat Jun 1 23:56:46 EDT 2002
  
  My guju friend confirmed that Vaishnava Janato is "hardcore guju" .... hope no one complains about all the digression - it is the fault of Anu anyway:) MS/IR_Fan ... please chime in.
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.245.172) on: Sun Jun 2 01:20:32 EDT 2002
  
  sundar atre, i too second the claim that it is 'hardcore gujju' :-)...
  
  ROS members, confirmation please,
  
  a) Kallukulle vandha eeram enna (i think it is sivakumar movie)
  b) Good vandiyile oru kaadhal vandhirichu - (Mohan, ilavarasi movie)
  c)Poongatre theendaathe en nenjai thoondaadhe - [Kungumachimizh is the movie, revathi in that song, sung by S Janaki)
  
  Are these songs (listed above) all set in Brindhavana Saranga?
  
  Also, i wud like individual opinions on 'Kathirundha Malli'..i got Sidhuja's :-), no one else till now....
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.245.172) on: Sun Jun 2 01:28:53 EDT 2002
  
  Also about 'Oranjaaram Usharaiyya Ushaaru' sung by SPB (i think it is a parthiban movie, Kakai Chiraginile)...In the lyrics itself SPB sings/mentions about the tune shifting to Desh in charanams (the line saying"dey badava, ennada desh ragathukku maaritte?")...but what abt the pallavi?
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.133) on: Sun Jun 2 02:05:23 EDT 2002
  
  Sundar Atre-looked into all those links.Even as far as my knowledge goes,Pilu IS the same as KApi,but those notes of Pilu that u've given(i.e Arohanam and avarohanam)-obviously,i can't confirm coz I dunno.I feel it doesn't tally with the KApi notes-SaRi2Ma1PaNi3Sa,SaNi2Da2ni2PaMa1Ga2Ri2Sa. And in that nerur.com link,KApi doesn't figure at all-there's a KarnAtaka kApi and a kApi jingala,but no kApi-so i dunno what u're talking of.
  DhvijAvanti,since u've confirmed is the same as Jaijaivanti is defined by-SaRi2Ga3Ma1PaDa2Sa,SaNi2Da2PaMa1Ga3Ri2Ga2Ri2Sa.And the notes of Gara-u've given them u'rself.So there's a very slight diff..So as for R4,i'm not able to decide if its Gara/Jaijaivanti,since the 2 are so similar and coz I've not listened to the song fully.So,the confusion is betn. Gara and Jaijaivanti-why kApi????puriyillai.
  And,what is "thaat"?And what is rAg "kAfi?
  
  
• From: rajaraman (@ 203.197.61.180) on: Sun Jun 2 03:27:37 EDT 2002
  
  How is it that most of the raagas rendered in Karnatik music are in the sudha madhyamaum segemnt? There are vey few in prati madhayamam and are far outnumbered by the sedha madhyamam segment. Any reason evolutionary,scientific or otherwise? I have posted this query on another site also.I look forward to some fascinating response from you guys.
  
  
• From: rajaraman (@ 203.197.61.180) on: Sun Jun 2 03:29:09 EDT 2002
  
  How is it that most of the raagas rendered in Karnatik music are in the sudha madhyamaum segemnt? There are vey few in prati madhayamam and are far outnumbered by the sedha madhyamam segment. Any reason evolutionary,scientific or otherwise? I have posted this query on another site also.I look forward to some fascinating response from you guys.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.98) on: Sun Jun 2 05:47:41 EDT 2002
  
  U've generally said "Karnatik music" and not janya rAgAs,hence I say this-the no. of Shuddha madhyamam nad Prati madhyamam melams is equal,i.e 36.But if u're talking of Janya rAgAs,r u sure that {{There are vey few in prati madhayamam and are far outnumbered by the sedha madhyamam segment.>>>If this is true,then I dunno...IR,MS and others,pl. help.BTW,what is "sedha" madhyamam?I'm assuming its a typo.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.98) on: Sun Jun 2 05:49:03 EDT 2002
  
  typo-"nad" in the 1st line is "and".
  
  

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