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MSV after IR's Entry vs IR after ARR's Entry

Topic started by sangeetha (@ 12.77.8.49) on Fri Mar 2 22:21:17 EST 2001.
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Veteran MSV survived in the industry for quite a long time when comparing drastic downfall of Maestro, right after the ARR's entry. Why?

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• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.212.90) on: Sat Mar 3 00:21:44 EST 2001
  
  aioooooo...... how many more threads will we have to thrash IR...... ellam naeraaam
  
  
• From: man (@ 203.197.182.114) on: Sat Mar 3 00:58:40 EST 2001
  
  True MSV survived for long because the industry directors & producers did not "hate " him . Iliayaraja was an unexpected change
  
  IN Ir case people were waiting for him to be dethroned & they lapped it up when they foung ARR & it was a "welcome change ".....not for me i love IR but for the industry .
  
  
  But IR inspite of the intial downfalll has survived & is staging a comeback against all odds.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.163.212.90) on: Sat Mar 3 01:08:05 EST 2001
  
  what do u mean by MSV survived ? how many movies did MSV give as HITS after IR came in ? i know of 1 or 2 movies that were real GREAT hits - Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu and the famous Ninaithalee Inikkum ? i feel, compared to that IR is still giving lots of hits (atleast according to his fans like me and others).....
  
  
• From: man (@ 203.197.182.114) on: Sat Mar 3 01:52:53 EST 2001
  
  After ARR came in IR gave lot of songs which were good but not acknowledged as the mood had changed.
  
  The same thing happened with MSV . He was giving good hits ..but the masses had turned their backs on him...
  
  Ninaithale inikkum : Compared with the quality of Orchestration & music MSV gave .........i am sure IR has not given one like that after ARR entry...before that yes certainly....
  
  He has had a bad run & is coming out of it ..
  But Initially MSV fared better with the onslaught of IR than IR with ARR
  
  The media & the changed times has a role to play in that.
  
  
• From: Vijay Venkatram J (@ 203.197.154.43) on: Sat Mar 3 04:19:53 EST 2001
  
  Sangeetha,
  U r totally wrong! U know, after IR's entry many fans suspected MSV's creativity itself but nothing of that sort happened to IR! Can any ARR fan say that Hey Ram or Bharathi is a trash!
  In fact, ARR fans hear music from all other MD's but hardcore IR fans like me are still able to get new IR albums at least once a month! Compared to 52 films/year which IR did in His peak time what He does now is very less but still it is more than ARR quantitatively and qualitatively!
  I say again! Ur statement is exactly opposite to the truth! IR after ARR's entry has the following hits:
  
  1)Devar Magan
  2)Aranmanai Kili
  3)Valli
  4)Marupadiyum
  5)Mahanadhi
  6)Rajakumaran
  7)Veera
  8)Avathaaram
  9)Ellaame En Raasa Dhaan
  10)Paattu Paadava
  11)Raasaiya
  12)Sathi Leelavathi
  13)Siraichaalai
  14)Naattuppura Paattu
  15)Poomani
  16)Devadhai
  17)Kaadhalukku Mariyaadhai
  18)Raman Abdullah
  19)Kaadhal Kavidhai
  20)Poonthottam
  21)Veera Thaalattu
  22)Housefull
  23)Manam Virumbudhey Unnai
  24)Nilave Mugam Kaattu
  25)Mugam
  26)Time
  27)Kannukkul Nilavu
  28)Bharathi
  29)Sedhu
  30)Friends
  Still, ARR vs IR fight is continuing but MSV vs IR fight stopped in 1982 just 6 years after IR came in! But ARR has almost 10 years over and still I and thousands along with me are fighting for IR! Doesn't that make a difference?
  Even now there are directors like Siddique (Friends) who say that they will make films only with IR! The fact is that IR Himself is refusing so many projects as He doesn't like the same old stories!
  I will be happy if u put some sensible and historically acceptable queries!
  Yours,
  Vijay.
  
  IR fans please come to:
  
  http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/maestroilaiyaraajafansclub
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.238) on: Sat Mar 3 05:03:45 EST 2001
  
  siNdu mudidhal to the core...IR has even asked producers not to leave MSV, did work together for a few films, made MSV even part of his team (as conductor)...where's the comparison?
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Sat Mar 3 06:42:03 EST 2001
  
  To all:
  
  Why again the same topic in different thread.
  Every man has his rise and then should fall. That is the nature. Not even a single human being in earth has till now been in his position in which he was earlier.
  Take the Don Bradman..he is fine and best cricketer and all that is good. But Sunil Gavaskar outlasted him in the number of centuries he scored (29 vs 34) and runs and then came Border and now its sachin.
  Name will remain but definitely statistics will change and you will not remain as you were.
  
  vijay_venkataraman:
  I know you are an IR enthusiast. But your list of IR's hits is exagerated. Compare IR of 90's with IR of 80's (Might be a good thread) . Can these list of films stand against the 100's that IR gave in 80's. He was king at that time. But in 90's he could give only Veera (Konji Konji) and KM (Ennai thalatta ) two hits which were a hit thru out the year- why even after.These were even heard and preserved by non IR fans. Other films music in the list are really quality music- no doubt, but they could not catch on to the already changed taste of majority of people.
  
  
• From: Abdul (@ 203.199.235.164) on: Sat Mar 3 07:35:20 EST 2001
  
  This is a wierd comparison. When MSV is still great and composing different varieties of subjects including devotionals, IR doesnt (except for his paid films). Dont compare IR with MSV. IR came out with a clout of new directors like Barathiraja and Baghyaraj who boomed in after 1976 and MSV was not compatible with them. MSV measured his work and accepted assignments and IR accepted all the advances and had overbooking.
  
  When 10 quality music of MSV was released, there were 30 so so music of IR released at the same time. Invariably, even if considered proportionately, there were more hits of MSV. This can be made out if a ,sensible, survey is done.
  
  ARR also accepts selected movies of his taste and does good to film music. There is no question of comparison. MSV & ARR yengayo poittangappa! Summa poochu kaamikkadheenga.
  
  
• From: Vijay Venkatram J (@ 203.197.154.42) on: Sat Mar 3 08:33:59 EST 2001
  
  Dear SK,
  U better read TFM History! Its become a fashion for u all to bash IR! U know all the 30 films I mentioned have equal gems to His 80's songs! Only thing, u were listening to Him in the 80's and in the 90's u were too busy changing your culture!
  
  Dear Abdul,
  You rae posting comedy! IR doesn't do devotionals? Only paid films? Haven't u heard Ramanamalai,HTNI,NBW,Geethanjali,Geedhavazhipaadu,Vedhagaanam,etc. Your MSV himself has told, "Raaja ennai vida adhigamaai saadhidhu vittaar!" What else do u want?
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Sat Mar 3 09:47:34 EST 2001
  
  vijay_venkat:
  Again you proved that you are IR enthusiast.
  You have said that I bashed IR. Man I won't do that even in my dreams.
  Yes, I am one of the rarest and gifted music lover who is a fan of two great icons of TFM. I do not support ARR to bash IR or vice versa. Both have entertained me a lot and are doing so.
  My view is a balanced view and it is the fact. As I have mentioned in my earlier posting, I do not say that the 30s that you have mentioned are thrash. I just said that it didn't click because the flavour and fragrance that was there in IR's music in 80 simply lost its smell in 90's.
  Man, keep your hand on your chest and say that IR of 90's was the same of IR of 80's.
  I just mentioned the decline of IR - the decline of an emperor, which is obviously true. Now a new prince ARR is there.
  It was same as ilaya RAJA rised a RAJA of tfm , when MSV declined slowly. Its now IR's turn. Tommorow ARR will get his turn. You can't stop it.
  IR is a red rose. He will remain a rose. Now a new color of rose has come into the market. It's just the game time.
  
  (bayangara unarchchivasa pattu ezhudhitten...Manchica)
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.28) on: Sat Mar 3 09:49:02 EST 2001
  
  SK;
  
  I accept your Bradman concept. Nothing to blame on the IR's quality of music. I am surprised to see that why you have mentioned only two songs in his bunch of entire hit list. That is the first bias, blocking your mind. IR hits are are much, much more than you have mentioned.
  
  Downfall of MSV was much sharper than IR. When IR stepped inside in late 70's people felt a musical revolution ( I still remember how Annakili songs spreaded over my place thro' tent speakers) and IR became sole choice. IR sustained his genoisity by proving himself in both rapidity and versatility. IR's music survived and survives ever. However, it wasn't the same case when ARR stepped in. Yet there at least a large percentage of people don't have clear idea what ARR is? And now this problem has further mounted after the entry of innumerable no. of young musicians. When they come up with some sort of music, IR's music stands out in quality, which is a clear proof that IR is a sun amongst uncountable number of stars. A recent proof is "Bharathi". ARR can be a powerful star...but whether is it as powerful as sun...is questionable. IR is a Bradman of Music. How Don's name survives as long as the cricket, in the same way IR's name in music. Arguements are just tiny tides against a big mountain, which neither hides nor disturbs. If they are not, then tell me how our time passes??
  
  
• From: prabhakar (@ 195.99.125.202) on: Sat Mar 3 10:09:17 EST 2001
  
  The whole topic is a wrong one. After IR came, there was talk for about 5 years wheter IR or MSV is the best. After that, MSV had no films and nobody even talked about him although he was a great music director. Compare it with that of IR. Even after 10 years of ARR, people are still talking if ARR or IR is the best. What more, there are only two styles of music in Indian film industry. One is that of IR and the other is that of ARR. And even during this lean patch, IR still has given great hits and he has changed his music style so many times and people have loved his music during this time. the only misfortune for him and his family is that most of his movies failed at the box office although some of them were very good. There is still hope that he will make a comeback if he gives two consecutive good hits. MSV was never innovative during his lean patch. In fact , he lost his touch in the 70s and was never able to adapt to the new wave that lashed tamil films at that time in the form of bharathiraja, mahendran, balu mahendra and others.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.187) on: Sat Mar 3 10:49:45 EST 2001
  
  Prabhakar;
  
  "The whole topic is a wrong one"
  
  I don't see anything wrong with the topic as such. Why do you feel so?
  
  

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