Topic started by cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on Thu Jul 20 06:52:03 EDT 2000.
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Hello friends,
It's me again. And this time, I met IR alongwith another newtfmpage regular, CSG. Unlike the previous occasion, when there was no scope for a chat, today we sat and talked with IR for about...god knows, time stood still, guys. We have no clue.
There were so many things we wanted to ask him, but in his presence, both of us were tongu-tied. Finally CSG found his voice and complimented him on his latest album, Bharati.
He's so incredibly down-to-earth and accessible. And he doesn't spout profundities, but speaks just like you would expect any layman to. That's his greatness. I'm still on a tremendous high....
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- From: eden (@ 61.1.250.213)
on: Fri Jul 28 08:06:22 EDT 2000
Viswa!
* He was at the top for 15 odd years and got to score the music for 800 odd films.
* He was the selling point of many a movie, and was the only MD to be accorded a hero status.
* He was respected and honoured by a long host of musical celebrities
The greatness of IR is having the status of `ALL THE ABOVE AND MORE' whereas you got to compare one different guy for each of them:-))
If IR is Carl Lewis, ARR may be just about Ben Johnson:-))
- From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com)
on: Fri Jul 28 09:49:43 EDT 2000
eden: aarambichchaachaa?:-)
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Jul 28 11:54:08 EDT 2000
anban:
You are new to DF, isn't it ? This has been there since time immemorial. When you cannot change it, live with it :-)
- From: anban (@ 139.85.161.162)
on: Fri Jul 28 12:01:42 EDT 2000
vere vazhi ille MS
adjust pannitu dhan poganum
- From: RameshG (@ 206.175.177.58)
on: Fri Jul 28 12:07:19 EDT 2000
cram and CSG
ungallukku ithu taevadhana. Etho IRaa Pathooma poonommannu illama .. You wrote two sentences and other have been analysing it for three pages.
Ungallukku Ereninna Bothayellam Erangiirrukkum. To get it back probably get it back u will have to meet IR for another three times.
(IR intha pages paathhuirundha ungalae kuuppiduvarandrathu santhegam)
NOM;-)
- From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net)
on: Fri Jul 28 12:37:32 EDT 2000
MS,
appadi podunga.:-) ethu cycle mathiri thirumba thirumab vanthukittey erukkum as long as there is "smoke" from the origin (i meant IR);-)
by the way, MS i have sent you a txt file to yahoo account. pl. check.
was there similar kind of konthalippu when MSV went down?thevaye eillama IR' mandai uruluthu engay. I think he should restrict and confine himself more to music. more he talks more trouble he gets. :-)
Bug
- From: Karthik Raja (@ nat-198-95-226-224.netapp.com)
on: Fri Jul 28 12:39:57 EDT 2000
Wait....wait....I will tell my papa about you all.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Jul 28 13:42:27 EDT 2000
Bug:
Can you please re-send ? Sorry folks for the digression.
And to your question if there was a similar wave when IR raced past MSV : I am sure that atleast newtfmpage was not there :-)
- From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net)
on: Fri Jul 28 14:58:57 EDT 2000
Karthik Raja,
un pechu "dooo Kaaa". enimel villayatil serthuka maatom po.:-)
MS,
Lucky newtfmpage was not there at that time. eillati oru periya mahabharatham nadanthirukkum. I have sent the txt file . pl. download.
Bug
- From: Prez. Fight Club (@ 205.252.37.3)
on: Fri Jul 28 15:11:20 EDT 2000
When IR raced past MSV, it happened so quickly and so comprehensively that people forgot MSV completely.
- From: KR (@ nat-198-95-226-224.netapp.com)
on: Fri Jul 28 15:13:12 EDT 2000
I will tell my papa not to talk to strangers like Bug, Cram, CSG.
- From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net)
on: Fri Jul 28 15:30:32 EDT 2000
Prez. Fight Club,
It is the same situation now. ARR paced past IR as quickly as he came.
People like us are still extending this like a "rubber".;-)
I came to know that bharathy cassette sales isn't upto the mark. My friend went to a popular cassettes sales shop last week and when he asekd for this movie.....owner replied that he hadn't heard about that yet. my friend had to visit several other shops to get this cassette. nambalai mathiri "nostalgic" makkal thaan ennum polambi kittu erukkom.
KR ;-)
Bug
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Sat Jul 29 03:11:21 EDT 2000
karthik raja kavhthurathenga etho nanum cramum unga appava andavan puniyathula sandichom,athe andavan karunai irundha marupadium sandikka vaiuppu ketaikanum,athula manna vari potathinge, ungalukku punniama pogum
- From: Athi (@ ip106.schiller-park8.il.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Sat Jul 29 12:12:53 EDT 2000
Udhaya,
Belated thanks for the appreciation of
my posting. It is just that I was trying
to analyze why IR would have talked like
that. As you would have observed, there are
many of us HCIRF who find fault with
anything that he mentions. When we say we
are HCIRF, we should not be so harsh
towards what he says and try to understand
it from his angle.
Srinath, your posting was highly enjoyable
especially about Mentalrathnam(what an apt
name !!!). It looks like his next movie
is with Sarathkumar and I wonder what all he
is going to take. May be he will get Sarath
his first national award (knowing the jury's
members softcorner towards his recycled
creations) !!!
Someone has expressed his desire about
how IR should talk about ARR and compared it
to MSV and IR. Main difference is IR's musical
knowledge was much more wider than MSV which
is unfortunately true for ARR and
also IR respected MSV even during those days
when all MSV fans used to deride him. Have we
every seen ARR expressing some sort of respect
for IR? All he repeatedly mentions is he
never listens to IR's music and his music
will be totally different and will never
be copied from anyone(eventhough we know
the reality).
Diamond was eulogising ARR till sometime
back like comparing him to IR and concluding
that ARR is superior but now even Diamond
will not make such statements after their
well publicised rift recently.
Ofcourse diamond has now even gone to the level
of working with YSR and will soon be making
a statement comparing YSR with ARR and concluding
that YSR is the best.
Athi
- From: Athi (@ ip106.schiller-park8.il.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Sat Jul 29 12:14:37 EDT 2000
Mistake in my previous posting. Read
unfortunately true as unfortunately not true
Sorry about this
Athi
- From: aruvi (@ nerys13.slip.yorku.ca)
on: Sat Jul 29 18:13:46 EDT 2000
Oh...dhevudu!:-))
- From: SL (@ snfca060-0885.splitrock.net)
on: Sat Jul 29 23:27:55 EDT 2000
Udhaya, a little too hasty ?:--))
- From: Jagroc (@ ac902917.ipt.aol.com)
on: Sat Jul 29 23:30:08 EDT 2000
Hello,
IR's Comments (from Cram's posting):
>"Tamil cinema oru kurugiya vattam. Enna >situation kuduthara poraanga?
>Ellaame enakkullenthu vanthathu thaan. antha >nerathula thonichchu. potten. idhula directors, >kathai, situation ethuvume ennakku inspiration >illai. Music should not be made. It should >happen.
>"tamil cinemavukkaga naan isaiyamaikkarathilla. >ennoda isaiyai athula seththukkaraanga.
>"ippo tamil padathula enna situation kuduthara >mudiyum?
This clearly explains why most directors and producers are avoiding IR. Imagine if you are the director and you tell IR what you want. IR doesn't give a damn about your comments and does what he likes. Would you go to him again? Basically there seems to be no respect for the talents of the other artistes. IR's music could also be trivialized by saying "Enna perusa music podapporaru? Athe violin, guitar, piano, flute, drums,... thaan! Pudhusa onnum illai!".
IR's thought seems to be that whatever he gives on the spur of the moment is perfect and cannot be improved. This is where ARR scores, I think. He takes a lot of time in fine-tuning and improving his product. The job of the MD is give something that others like. To know what others like you have to ask them.
IR has given so many great songs composed in a matter of few minutes. Imagine what impact he can have if he puts more effort and time into polishing each song!
- From: venus (@ 227.santabarbara-01rs15rt-02rs13rt.ca.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sun Jul 30 00:36:53 EDT 2000
Bug:
It is nothing new. It may be apt that IR scored music for Bharathy film. After all, Mahakavi's funeral was only attended by 14 people and now we talk so much about Bharathy, when he is not around. Whatever we do now will it anyway compensate whatever he went through during his lifetime. To me, if we like the product let's enjoy it why need to worry about popularity of the producer(It holds good for IR/ARR or any other MD).
- From: Athi (@ ip100.schiller-park9.il.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Sun Jul 30 01:22:01 EDT 2000
Jag,
What do you mean by polishing? Is it using
the latest sound recording equipment?
Also ARR who gives the best output according
to you(ofcourse inspiration from different
sources), is already feeling composing for
tfm to be monotonous while if IR talks about
similarity of the situations after composing
for nearly 800 movies, it looks unacceptable
to you. Consider the fact that IR has composed
so many variety of tunes for similar situations
and has tried innovations like rich interludes,
fusion of indian and western music etc.
And without adequate musical talent,
polishing will not help.
And as I already mentioned earlier, composing
looks too simple to IR and so the indifference.While for ARR, for getting a complete tune itself it seems to take a few days and after adding all the sound recording techniques(which ofcourse seem to be very similar and so may not take that much of time), the director himself will forget what situation was
explained to him ! And ARR has never tried to
work with any new directors, actors as his
attempts at that have very badly backfired.
Many examples can be given for that. Working
for big directors and getting the hype is
not a big deal and let ARR try to prove
first that a movie can run just for his music
alone. IR has already done this so many no
of times and many people like Mohan etc will
vouch for that.
And ARR's (lack of) BGM knowledge is
well known which is IR's forte.
And have you not read articles about IR giving
30 different tunes for a total of 6 songs
in a movie. Does this not mean that he is
listening to the directors? All he is refering
to is invariably the directors will give
very similar situations and he gets
different ideas at those moments. Considering
the variety of tunes he has composed, this has to be accepted eventhough his statement might indicate his indifference towards that(which is because of his vast talent).
Athi
- From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.61)
on: Sun Jul 30 23:12:45 EDT 2000
For "andhi mazhai" situation in Raja Parvai , IR had reportedly given 30 tunes ! Kamal found it so difficult to choose from them, that he took two full days to just make the choice - the rest , as the cliched statement goes, is history !! - Souce : Kamal in an interview some 6-7 years back
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