Topic started by ~~arochordidae~~ (@ to-cf3.sprint-canada.net) on Tue Aug 14 17:32:02 EDT 2001.
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I'm not playing favourites...ARR is not my fav MD, IR is not my fav MD, and etc. . I just like listening to good quality songs and I don't give a care who makes it that song (of course, if its a copied song, we're talking a whole new thing here)
But, I'm sorta confused abt one thing....Why is that IR, who's music is really good and he's done SOOO many films has not gotten the attention outside of INDIA and here ARR in just a short span has been known worldwide and his music is very well appreciated??
What is it that makes IR lack attention from outsiders???
Muchas gracias, amigos! :)
Responses:
- From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te032.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Aug 14 17:54:29 EDT 2001
first and foremost,
he failed to click with the northies.If arr had failed to strike the gold
in the north, he would be a non entity in the film music scene.
second, arr is product of modern day hype sustained by cable tv and a good PR team.thirdly...
I am sure others will think of more.this should keep us going for another 6 weeks!
- From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te032.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Aug 14 17:54:41 EDT 2001
first and foremost,
he failed to click with the northies.If arr had failed to strike the gold
in the north, he would be a non entity in the film music scene.
second, arr is product of modern day hype sustained by cable tv and a good PR team.thirdly...
I am sure others will think of more.this should keep us going for another 6 weeks!
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ to-cf3.sprint-canada.net)
on: Tue Aug 14 18:03:23 EDT 2001
//I am sure others will think of more.this should keep us going for another 6 weeks!//
Hey...i didn't post this so that this thread would get popular....its just a question that hass been looming in the back of my mind...thatz all, dude :)
One more question, did IR compose music for any HIndi films??
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Tue Aug 14 18:06:04 EDT 2001
//"If arr had failed to strike the gold
in the north, he would be a non entity in the film music scene. "//
since he failed to fail in otherwords succeeded does that mean anything at all? The cruel dismissal of "striking gold" as a passing comment does hide a lot of details.
IR or for that matter no one is a lesser person if he is good in just one language. being good in only tfm is more than enough to be considered the best!
But the question is what does that second string to the bow mean? It is certainly worth more than zero? A person totally brought up in tfm culture has a steep learning curve with the hfm audience leave alone international audience. zubeida's music suggests arr's profieciency in punjabi folk themes? so what does being able to step into a hfm persons shoes and beat the best in the mean ?
//"arr is product of modern day hype sustained by cable tv and a good PR team"//
vague terminalogies!
what does this abstract term modern day hype mean! why is this luxury of being worse but still getting recognition accorded to only ARR?
who are his PR team? why when other people capable of possessing the same PR team not able to acheive these dizzy heights
last but not least...
u have called a bulk of tfm people as "gulliable" people because they have been terribly decived by a talentless ARR now u have doubled these category of people by including hfm people also and then tripled it by including an international audience also.
so does that mean u think all these wide variety of people are stupids?
I guess in your opinion people who buy ARR products are zombies who say " i obey u master" and walk in daze and buy CD's.
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ to-cf3.sprint-canada.net)
on: Tue Aug 14 18:34:49 EDT 2001
well, i sure am not complaining of ARR's world-wide recognition nor am I trying here to start another one of those ARR IR bashings. Its just that why IR couldn't get the same recognition just puzzles me...Again I point out that I don't prefer IR over ARR, or vice versa. Even ARR himself said how he respects IR and all that.
I personally don't think that the fact that IR didn't 'strike gold' in the north was the reason...It could have been a factor but not the complete reason.
Maybe I'm missing something ..... :)
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ to-cf3.sprint-canada.net)
on: Tue Aug 14 18:38:56 EDT 2001
Another issue:
Could it be because of the fact that the world is sort of going through a ....phase and ARR benefited from it?
Right now, in Canada and the U.S, a lot of Indian/Asian customs and music is really popular. A couple of years ago, a whole thing with wearing a bhindi or pottu was really hype here! Now, its the whole shebang with wearing t-shirts with chinese writing!
So, was ARR making music at the right time to get all this attention world wide (lets omit the begin famous in the north tale for a while).?
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Tue Aug 14 18:59:46 EDT 2001
//"Could it be because of the fact that the world is sort of going through a ....phase and ARR benefited from it? "//
how far fetched can people go to discredit ARR?
they wud probably credit osma bin laden from cooking up some devious scheme which fortuitously resulted in ARR seeling more.
Please use this forum to cook up more ways of discrediting ARR.
If someone had said something discrediting IR in the IR's experiments thread then all hell wud have broken loose.
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ to-cf3.sprint-canada.net)
on: Tue Aug 14 21:56:14 EDT 2001
Bharath....get one thing straight...I'm not intending to 'discredit' ARR. I never said that his music sucked or that he diserves no mention. He is good, I do admit , but at the same time, he is more popular than IR for a reason and I'm just curious, ok??
Not my fault, if you view everything in a negative angle....
Sometimes I feel really pathetic posting in this forum...Seems like ppl like G Maurithi seems to be getting answers (no offense, G:)
Keep smilin :)
- From: Neel (@ da001d1718.dal-tx.osd.concentric.net)
on: Tue Aug 14 21:59:37 EDT 2001
For the northies, the name "A.R.Rahman" was easier to say than the name "iLaiyarAjA" :-)
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ to-cf3.sprint-canada.net)
on: Tue Aug 14 23:09:07 EDT 2001
lol, Neel :)
Even with that simple name, I've heard so many versions of the prononciation of his name!
- From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66)
on: Wed Aug 15 05:14:42 EDT 2001
//Sometimes I feel really pathetic posting in this forum...Seems like ppl like G Maurithi seems to be getting answers (no offense, G:) //
I Dunno, but I just start a topic if I am intrigued by the question or wonder what will be ppl's reactions.
And ppl Post because they think that the Posting Deserves Their Words...
( one more advice, instead of the Single 'WHY' title, make a bigger title.
ANYWAY WHY ARR IS POPULAR IS BECAUSE HIS MUSIC HAS CROSSED BARRIERS... THATS THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT...
IF ARR HAS'NT COME, CABLE, INTERNET AND ALL THE REST WOULD HAVE still been there, but there would be no IR
- From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66)
on: Wed Aug 15 05:15:57 EDT 2001
Just meant to say that Cable tv and internet dint make ARR popular
- From: ravi (@ 167.230.227.60)
on: Wed Aug 15 12:50:00 EDT 2001
Is ARR really that popular and well-known outside India ? (I'm not saying he's not. just curious to know).
So, was ARR making music at the right time to get all this attention world wide
valid point. India is growing on the rest of the world now. The west's attitude towards India is changing. Moreover, the media are making the world smaller & smaller, so it's easier for an Indian musician to be heard by the rest of the world than it used to be. Where Thyagaraja & Muthuswamy Dhikshithar known outside India ?
Another reason, I think, is that IR's music has a strong native flavour, unlike ARR. So a foreigner can't identify with IR's music as much as they can with ARR's music.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Wed Aug 15 12:50:33 EDT 2001
Yaaro :
"good PR team"???
I dont understand - has ARR employed a group of drum beaters who go about blowing his trumpet ?
Please explain...
Archordidae :
>>>Could it be because of the fact that the world is sort of going through a ....phase and ARR benefited from it<<<
I am sure that MSV, IR and ARR have achieved their success because of these 5 factors :
1) Age 2) Time 3) Place 4) Perspiration 5) Inspiration
IR working his way up the ranks could strike gold with "Annakili" when MSV was a spent force in TFM..IR brought in the freshness
ARR has done the same...struck gold with "Roja"..of course this happened at a time afterr the Gulf War had brought in Star TV...economic reforms were on..Indian markets were being opened up...so all this worked in ARR's favour but pls note..if ARR lacked the talent or the quality or the global appeal in his music, these winds of change wouldn't have lifted him to these heights..
History repeats itself..so after ARR is a spent force..then here we go again :)
- From: ravi (@ 167.230.227.60)
on: Wed Aug 15 12:52:59 EDT 2001
read as Were Thyagaraja & Muthuswamy Dhikshithar known outside India ?
sorry for typo.
- From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-tf084.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Aug 15 13:42:13 EDT 2001
I think the foremost reason for ARR fame is his ability to click well with the north indian audience.IR gave far better music for maniratnam's films-but only roja had a theme which north indians could identify.he came at the right time when Northies were getting quite fed up with the likes of nadeem s etc
( still remember a comment of a chap sitting next to me when I was watching roja-songs are good but BGM dhan korvaiya ille)
because of his work in shekhar kapoor's films he came to attention of ALW and rest is history.
ask the north indians to list whom they think are the best indian music directors-even if one of them lists IR in the top ten-well, i will stop posting in this forum and spare you all:-)
the fact remains that for the north indians, indian film music is synonymous with hindi film music.can anyone else deny this?to click on an allindia level, you have to vibe with the north indians.there is nothing chuvanistic about this statement-that is the plain fact.If ARR had been like raja acheiving success only in South indian films-i am sure he will be like what IR is like.
- From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com)
on: Wed Aug 15 13:46:09 EDT 2001
the point that needs to be answered is this
is the IR kind of people limited to south India?
or
did IR limit himself to south India?
- From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2)
on: Wed Aug 15 14:03:45 EDT 2001
Why ARR not IR, definetely a good question.
When IR was in field, HFM has RDBurman, SD Burman, Lakshmikanth pyarelal, Naushad, OP nayyar, Salil Choudary all the legends. Why would someone leave them and go to somewhere else for music? All these were great legends. Even worst case Bappi Lahiri was around who was ready to cater their needs. If one would have a feast at home, would any one like to go to hotel to eat? Definetely not.
But see the current situation. When ARR enetered, Most of them are gone. There are guys like Nadeem Shravan, Annu Malik, Dilip Sen - Sameer Sen, and lot many unknowns. Out of these how many have standards, quality, consistency like the list when IR had? This was the first advantage ARR had over IR.
The current generation likes pop, bhangra etc., ARR was ready to give them what they want. How many duets, karuthamma of ARR had gone to HFM? Only Humma, Chayya were liked by them of ARR. ARR gave them what they required which their current MD's lot couldnt give. This was advantage 2.
The media, communication, internet, globalisation advantage etc was one more advantage which IR didnt have. Also more southies are into producing, directing movies in north than IR time. which was a great advantage to ARR. Roja, Bombay were released in Hindi also but how many MR's movies before Roja were released in Hindi/Tamil at a time?
Major fact is that depending upon the current situation, any one would have taken the advantage, but ARR was the one who first took the advantage so became popular. Can somebody imagine Deva could enter HFM? Even he himself couldnt, but this is happening. It took so long for Deva but he is doing.
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