Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.116)
on: Wed May 1 12:37:58 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
Unfortunately the search engine is down so i checked it in my local database. here is what i found.
sg2m1pn3s - sn3d2pm1g2s - no exact matches.
sg2m1pn3s - sn3d1pm1g2s: no exact match.
i will list all closely related matches (hopefully it comes out in good format, or else i will repost):
chandrika 23 s g2m1p n3s s d2p m1g2r2s
hamsa panchamam 21 s g2m1p n3d1n3p s s n3d1m1g2r2s
sanjivini 21 s r2s g2m1p n3s s n3d1n3p m1g2r2s
ganitha vinodhini 21 s g2m1p n3s s n3d1p m1g2r2s
piloo 21 n3s g2m1p n3d1p s s n3d1p m1g2r2s n3s
sAradha 11 s g2m1p n3s s n3d2p m1g2r1s
yauchana 24 s g2m1p n3d3p s s n3d3p m1g2r2s
mohana nAttai 9 s g2m1p n3s s n3p d1p m1g2s
srothasvini 21 s g2m1p n3s s n3p m1g2s
Name MelakartaID Arohana Avarohana
payasvini 11 s g2m1p d2n3s s n3d2p m1g2s
manmagan 11 s g2m1p d2n3s s n3d2p m1g2s
kokila kAmavardhani 11 s g2m1p m1n3d2n3s s n3d2p m1g2s
chAya saindhavi 11 s r1g2m1p d2p n3s s n3d2p m1g2s
- From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.116)
on: Wed May 1 12:40:29 EDT 2002
Oops, i forgot to check the last one you mentioned sg2m1pd2n3s - sn3d2pm1g2s - that would be pAyasvini (11) from above list. For the rest two check if there is vakra pattern in the song itself, may be it will fit in any of the above list.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.219)
on: Wed May 1 12:49:34 EDT 2002
Sindhuja - you could be the proud inventor of those 2 ragas and name one of them Sindhuja :-)
Vasu, would you also have any info on who coined these names/found those ragas and if there are any compositions? These are all very very rare ragas ...
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.226)
on: Wed May 1 14:17:31 EDT 2002
Woooooooooooooow!,a big hand to Vasu.Thanx a ton!Since the scales I gave don't appear in such a huge list,may be it's me who hasn't deciphered the aarohanam,avarohanam properly.NEways,have u heard the song "Villinayitha...."(by BhArathiyar,rendered by M.S)What raaga wud that be?(If u haven't,then I'll look out for some links...)
BTW,a clarification-D2 is as in GowrimanOhari,d3 wud be the same as N2,right?(just like G2 is sung as R3 in naattai)
IR,:-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.226)
on: Wed May 1 14:19:18 EDT 2002
I think the above song is PAyasvini,from what I gather from Vasu's post.I want a confirmation...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Thu May 2 14:22:14 EDT 2002
Payasvini ? mudhalla paayasini nu padichchutten :-)
- From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.116)
on: Thu May 2 15:08:22 EDT 2002
Long long ago once upon a time i had heard the villinai song by MS in musicindiaonline.com, though now its not available directly on the MS list, you can still hear it by searching for it.
Click search and select "Carnatic | Vocal" in the drop-down and enter "Puruvam" for the search criteria. Im trying to hear the song now but keep getting buffer problems (may be coz of my network). You guys can try it out...
- From: Vasu (@ 192.35.232.116)
on: Thu May 2 15:12:39 EDT 2002
IR:
:-( Unfortunately no, i dont have info on how these names are coined or by whom. Same thing about the compositions too. May be Lakshman (?) who posts frequently on net on composition list has it.
Most raga names are interesting by themselves though! Also Just noticed that pAyasvini is same as manmagan (from the list).
- From: IR (@ )
on: Thu May 2 15:22:37 EDT 2002
Lakshman would have info on anything and everything - he is a nadamaadum database :-) amazing guy :-)
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Thu May 2 19:52:56 EDT 2002
Haris
This is a discussion we have had long back. U asked for a song which I recommended. I have it now with me. check the locker.
Both "keje dheke jaai" and "jhuti muti mithwa" are there.
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From: MS (@ 129.252.26.149) on: Thu Aug 23 18:31:58 EDT 2001
rams:
Brindhaavan saranga differs from madhyamaavathi due to the usage of ni3. the song muththukkaLo kaNgaL goes as follows:
muththukaLO kaNgaL
ripamapaa ri sa
thiththippadhe kannam
nisarimaaa nini...pa
sandhitha vELaiyil
parisa ririri
sindhikka vEillai
ripama pa(panipama)
thandhuvit tEnennai
paaani3sa ririri ni3sa
Hence it cannot be madhyamaavathi. It may be Brindhaavan saaranga.
Let me give you a few songs which are good examples of this raga
(1) Shree Ranga pooravihaara - by MSS
(2) Jhooti mooti mithwaa pwan bolein - by Latha in fthe film Rudaali
(3) kaathOdu kaadhOram - from the movie with the same name sung by Arundhathi
I am not sure about the following songs which are seemingly in BS:
(1) Aagaya gangai - Dharmayudhdham
(2) pon ondru kaNden peN angu illai - superb song
(3) keeje dekhe jaai - By Ajoy chkraborty - another fantastic number which gives an idea why AC is respected very highly.
For madhyamaathi there are scores of examples. To mention two :
(1) thOm karuvil pirandhom
(2) nee thaane en pon vasantham - madhyamavathi literaly "rocks" in this song in IR's guitars.
From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Aug 23 19:00:59 EDT 2001
MS, is keeje dekhe jaai available anywhere in the net?
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If people can dig up discussions like these from the old responses and try sharing songs, it would be great. There is one more song -"bina prem dheeraj nahin" from the movie swami vivekananda. I shall first let u listen to these and then will upload. Write your comments here
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Thu May 2 20:54:47 EDT 2002
Hi folks:
I have created a new yahoo group for our community. Here real player files can be uploaded and shared. But I would suggest that you discuss more in the Discussion Forum than in the group. The groups main purpose is to help people like kupps who are from India and cannot dl mp3s. We can upload files to the files section of the group. PLease join the group.
Group page is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/raga_of_song/
Kupps:
Download all the real player files for your listening.
Cheers
MS
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Fri May 3 13:54:58 EDT 2002
Another song in the raga Birndhaavan Saaranga - kaathodu kaadhoram uploaded. Ppl chk out. Compare these songs and post your opinion.
- From: RR (@ 192.122.139.202)
on: Sat May 4 23:53:04 EDT 2002
MS: why don't you make the group public? Then I can directly link the 'Files' section on top.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Sun May 5 00:27:51 EDT 2002
RR - u mean give access to all without moderation ?
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Sun May 5 03:01:31 EDT 2002
Hello experts,
Longtime back i heard that Kunnakudi invented a new raga and named it Jayalalitha....can neone gimme the notes for it....
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Sun May 5 05:30:05 EDT 2002
IR_Fan,
OOr OOr a pogum intha udambu in film Kakkai Chiraginile Nadanamakriya va Mayamalavagoulaiyaa nu check pannunga pl(u had listed as MMG)....IR,MS,Sinduja neengalum confirm pannunga
- From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.245.44)
on: Sun May 5 07:37:14 EDT 2002
Ram, the notes for Jayalalitha raaga is
Aarohanam: SaRi DhaN PoNGaDa
oops sorry: Sa Ri Dha Ni Pa Ni Ga Dha ;-)
- From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.245.44)
on: Sun May 5 07:38:42 EDT 2002
Oops, forgot to mention, the raga has no 'avarohanam'...atleast for the next four years ;-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Sun May 5 07:50:51 EDT 2002
IR_Fan:-)That was cracker
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.56)
on: Sun May 5 08:04:18 EDT 2002
IR_Fan ... with such postings I may have to start calling myself IR_Fan_Fan ... but MS will want me to start a separate thread for that one.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Sun May 5 08:24:33 EDT 2002
Sundar sir
I'm ready to join that Rasigar Mandram(MS sorry for the digression cudn't help it...)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Sun May 5 08:42:34 EDT 2002
IR_Fan,
Oru uravu azhaithahu a song in film krishnan vandaan sung by PS and Mano is Simmendra madhyamam,Ubhayam namma thenisai:-)(Is kuyilukku koo koo koo in friends SM)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Sun May 5 10:26:09 EDT 2002
IR_Fan,
Paadum Vaanambadi in naan paadum paadal sounds like Dharmavathy(experts as usual confirm pls)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.158)
on: Sun May 5 13:14:27 EDT 2002
Jayalalitha-va?Kelvi pattade illiye....(Ram,r u kidding or r u serious?)
IR_fan,appadi ellaam sollaadeenga,"AMMA"-kku kovam varum!;-)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.134)
on: Sun May 5 13:20:55 EDT 2002
Guys, if you are interested in a really neat discussion of Sarang raag along with plenty of sound bytes you have got to visit:
http://www.sawf.org/Newedit/edit10302000/musicarts.asp
there, MS, some relevant info from me for a change :)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.134)
on: Sun May 5 13:37:34 EDT 2002
Madhmadh Sarang and Madhyamavathi are similar - Brindavani Sarang is close but not quite.
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.5)
on: Sun May 5 19:49:46 EDT 2002
IR_Fan, Sindhuja has a valid point. There is no (Am)Ma in the ragam.
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