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Malaysian Deepavali Show - RAJANNA RAJA THAAN - From Annakkili to Azhagi

Topic started by Manisekaran (@ 202.156.2.8) on Sun Nov 7 05:23:27 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Last year I did a show on Ilayaraja for Deepavali. IT was so great a hit that the ASTRO Private TV Station is repeating on 9 NOvember at 4.00 pm Malaysian time. This is called RAJANNA RAJATHAAN- covering 25 years of Raja's music contribution. From Annakkili to Azhagi. A great hit. If you can, pls do catch it. You can post your comments on the show here, and I'll respond to them.
Thanks.

Archive of the older songs: http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/hub/f13.html .

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• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Tue Nov 23 10:53:10 EST 2004
  
  RR, thalayai kuniyum thaamaraiye? I consider it a better attempt than Chinna kaNNan(Raja has just used the ascent as the first line :-) )The catchiness/hummability of the tune though is unrefutable.
  
  Manisekaran, good writeup. As for Semmangudi and BMK's quotes, Did you take it out of some other existing site or is it from your own source?
  
  
• From: RR (@ 218.212.113.234) on: Tue Nov 23 11:22:22 EST 2004
  
  vijay: you are right. (haven't we discussed this before :) My point was just that 'chinna kannan' started it all.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 218.212.113.234) on: Tue Nov 23 11:23:47 EST 2004
  
  btw, 'thalayai kuniyum' was already mentioned by Mani sir. That's why I skipped it.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Tue Nov 23 11:57:34 EST 2004
  
  It's interesting to note that 4 out of 5 landmark songs of this thread, related to early days of Raja, probably had Sivakumar on the screen. That sounds remarkable...and also brings a question to my mind, did he have any influence on the music of his films at all? (I'm 100% sure he was no MGR...however, it's hard to believe he wasn't involved at all...)
  
  
• From: Anand (@ 83.216.154.253) on: Tue Nov 23 16:27:56 EST 2004
  
  Dear Mr. Manisekaran,
  Its a pleasure all these wonderful facts about Ilayaraaja. One query I have is this; which is the first song of ilayaraaja where he had used western orchestration? Did he have any say in the beginnings in the compositions or was he influenced like today's MDs by playing what is popular?
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Nov 23 17:59:04 EST 2004
  
  chinna chinna kannan to some extent has the grandeur (chinnak kannan azhaikkiraan) of the thriruvilaiyAdal song with the tenderness of IR melodies (radhaiyai poongOthaiyai ..).
  Another interesting the pallavi and the charanams are introduced completely the instrumentals before the vocals start. I guess the idea is to make the listener familiar with the tune and surprise him/her with the majestic voice of BMK.
  
  
• From: prabhudas (@ 143.104.69.192) on: Tue Nov 23 19:23:14 EST 2004
  
  Thanks, Manishekaran avargale,
  What a great song, unfortunately due to my lack of classical Music Knowledge, I never knew what raaga it was based on till somebody brought this raaga topic when 'Mudhalavan" was released and somebody immediately pointed out IR had done this long ago in "kavi Kuyil"
  
  Kiru,
  my God, I just had the same thought as I was reading Mr. Mani's writing on this, about the instrumentals preceding the Pallvi and charanam in this song.
  
  Small dig,
  Any telugu movie song of Dr. BMK ?
  There is great song by " Hamsalekha" in Kannada by Dr. BMK in the film, "Muthina Haara" for people who are interested,
  
  And finally , still curious if KJJ's first song with IR was " Kannan oru Kai kuzhandai"
  
  Prabhudas
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249) on: Tue Nov 23 21:19:59 EST 2004
  
  Prabhudas: Dr. BMK's TeFM songs (cut-pasted from net :)
  
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  > Could someone please chronicle Dr. Mangalampalli Balamuralikrishna's
  > career in Telugu films as a singer?
  
  I.
  As composer he didn't work for any pre-1980 (the period I am 'somewhat' better informed of) Telugu films, I guess. Infact I can recall only;
  "hamsageete" the famous kannaDa (musical) film, for which he worked (as co-MD).
  
  To my knowledge (rather the first song I have heard of him) his first film song is from: jayabhEri (1959). Followed by another number in naagayya's "raamadaasu" (1964, a film started in mid/late 50s, and stretched over long years). Then came "uyaala jampaala" (1965, singing: ETilOni keraTaalu ...).
  
  In G. Ramineedu's "palnaaTi yuddham" (1966) he sang a good number of songs and verses; for the role: baalachandruDu (quite an unusual selection! G sang for brahmanaayuDu, PB played (and sang for) the role : naagamma). Also in
  "karNa" (dubbed from Tamil) he has atleast 2 songs.
  
  II.
  mounamE nee bhaasha O moogamanasaa (from 'guppeDu manasu')
  paaDanaa vaaNi kaLyaaNigaa (from 'mEghasandESam', picturised on MBK. )
  Sreeraama jayaraama seetaaraama (from 'mutyaalamuggu')
  
  Telugu Film Server listing:
  
  jayabhEri ---- 1959
  nartanaSAla ---- 1963
  rAmadAsu ---- 1963
  dorikitEdongalu ---- 1965
  uyyAla jampAla ---- 1965
  palnATiyuddham ---- 1966
  mutyAla muggu ---- 1975
  guppeDu manasu ---- 1979
  mEgha sandESam ---- 1983
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  No more non-TFM discussion pls.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249) on: Tue Nov 23 21:28:47 EST 2004
  
  Anand: You may want to read Song #2, in the archives:
  
  http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=426
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 68.38.80.142) on: Tue Nov 23 22:05:47 EST 2004
  
  Eden
  
  Wait for the 7th one, it is sure going to 'En kanmani un kadhali...' from Chittukuruvi, another Sivakumar Starrer (I am positive that the 6th one is Chithrai Sevvanam from KVG).
  
  Sivakumar waS so lucky that he had 3 great hits in 76/77, Annakili, bhadhrakali followed by Aatukkara Alamelu. With such great hits he was considered a big star then and he signed on to innumerbale films. Thanks to the gaining of superdom by Rajini/Kamal, Sivakumar lost his star-power (How long can luck last??)..
  
  Sivakumar had more films to come with great songs by IR even though almost all the films bit the dust.
  Muthal Iravu, Kadavul Amaitha Medai, Kannan oru kai Kuzhandhai, kavikuyil, Poonthalir, Chittukuruvi (Rosappoo Ravikkaikari is an exception) to name a few.
  
  Eden sir, to say that Sivakumar may have a say in music is like saying Mohan or Ramarajan had a say in the music of their films. Sivakumar is far better than the other two, but still he was just lucky to have IR and his great music
  
  Bala
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Nov 23 22:14:01 EST 2004
  
  Prabhudas,
  Birds of a feather flock to the same website and to the same discussion thread :-)
  
  Also, notice the immediate start of the song with a single note. It is like a master batsman making a single in the first ball he faces with a good shot..no 'mattai pottu' steady aagi ..appuram run addikkira business :-) (I hope get my tamil cricket slang) It would be nice if people compare this with 'oru naal pothuma' for orchestration purposes. Notice the trailing notes at the end of each line. There is also bass guitar backing at the start of each line. Even if IR uses a tabla, his songs will sound 'much fuller' than the previous 'old-fashioned' MDs. There will be something behind the tabla, you dont know until you hear ones without them (though oru naal has a violin following the vocals).
  
  
• From: prabhudas (@ 143.104.69.192) on: Tue Nov 23 22:18:36 EST 2004
  
  Thanks RR,
  
  Sorry for the dig,
  
  I will stick to TFM particularly IR songs in this "mother of all threads about Maestro" as Mr. Manishekaran has a lot more to offer
  Happy Thanks Giving to all
  Prabhudas
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249) on: Tue Nov 23 22:44:08 EST 2004
  
  >Notice the trailing notes at the end of each
  >line. There is also bass guitar backing at the >start of each line.
  
  kiru: that was sharp. Didn't notice before. Wonderful! Thanks for pointing it out.
  
  btw, can you drop me a mail? was out of touch for a long time.
  
  
• From: jeeves (@ 203.101.40.22) on: Wed Nov 24 04:05:08 EST 2004
  
  In 1976, when Ilayaraaja captured the imagination of the people of TamilNadu, India with a refreshingly virile folk musical sore for his first film, Annakili, he was dubbed a folklorist. But with every successive film a new genre of music was explored and new possibilities within the genres were brought to the fore. In the film KaviKuyil (1978), Ilayaraaja composed a brilliant number using the raga RithiGowlai (Song Chinna Kannan Azhaikiran), which was rendered by the Carnatic exponent Dr. M. Balamuralikrishna. The important feature to note, however, is the second version of the same song in the same film, sung by playback singer S. Janaki. Within the melodic part remained purely RithiGowlai (Song Chinna Kannan Azhaikiran - Second Version) the strings section played music in the European Baroque tradition. In a sense, this song was the precursor of the path Ilayaraaja was to take later in his musical explorations. Throughout the song, Carnatic music was not permitted to dominate the Western strings nor was the Western music allowed to drown the Carnatic raga. In the pluralistic domain of Ilayaraaja’s music, there was to be a harmonious coexistence of several genres.
  
  written by A. S. Panneerselvan
  (Article published in frontline, September 10, 1993)
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249) on: Wed Nov 24 04:52:54 EST 2004
  
  jeeves: true, the fusion was wonderful. That he took Ritigowla for this experiment was something great.
  For the benefit of all, I'm adding an audio link to this song. Listen to the SJ version.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Wed Nov 24 11:09:43 EST 2004
  
  Well, Bala, it was just my `loud thinking' about the Sivakumar influence...However, it's quite possible that Raja created certain numbers keeping the on-screen person in mind. With Sivakumar being a next-door-man-kind and also with roles of that nature, Raja worked out some `soft' numbers on him...again me `wondering'...
  
  I'm not a big admirer of Sivakumar...but always felt he has a `tolerable' screen presence and performs to an `agreeable' degree...even occasionally good, as in the case of `sindhu bhairavi'...can't bracket him along with the likes of Mohan, Ramarajan etc.
  
  
• From: JeyaBalamurugan (@ 143.115.159.56) on: Wed Nov 24 13:33:55 EST 2004
  
  Eden, i second your words about Sivakumar.Undoubtedly, he is an actor of huge potential.Every song that Isaignani composed for this versatile actor,still stands out for its uniqueness.Paadum Vaanambaadi from Naan Paadum Padal is one such song which defenitely needs a screen presence of an actor like Sivakumar.Same kind of situation has been graced by him in Ilanjolai Poothatha. Talking about the influence of the actor in a song, I don't belive Veteran actor Shivaji ever dictated to the MD about what he wants.Rather he influenced the MD to match his repertoire. Sameway, Isaignani would have been influenced by Sivakumar's acting and that made him to churn one of his all time best for this actor.Just my two cents.
  
  

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