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'Converts' from IR/KR to ARR and ARR to IR/KR Anyone? Why did you change or accept?

Topic started by Music is not dead (@ 63.215.116.233) on Sun May 20 02:54:43 EDT 2001.
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I am beginning to appreciate ARRs music recently. Formerly i was biased against him because of the contrived nature of the tunes, lack of meaningful preludes and interludes, lack of surprise elements in the songs 'n lack of melody. now with mudhalvan, rhtym, etc. this guy has matured dramatically. i am beginning to appreciate ARRs music over IRs for just one reason only. ARR is a genius in creating 'Musicals', just amazes me. (no wonder Weber has taken on rahman.) Plus, it is a music you can listen with any pretentious sophisticate around you. IRs you have to have folksy people with you. Sophisticates and city breds generally shy away. IR has not ventured into 'Musicals' arena at all. Or, am I wrong? But, the flavor does not last long, whereas IR captivates me forever just for the sheer variety and character of the tunes.

bottomline, my prejudice to rahman's music is fading as i see him give very powerful tunes (without being melodious, which is not palatable to today's mod audience) his 'musicals' though not lasting music has gone to prove that interludes and preludes are distractions and songs can be made without those and find a massive audience. Not to say that we must have IR stop preludes and interludes, man there is only one god of music and that is still IR. But, ARR is getting closer to the heavens.

Anyone changed from IR/Kr to ARR and begun to accept after having a bias for a long time? Vice versa?

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Responses:

• From: Computer_Musician (@ 24.4.252.137) on: Sun May 20 13:58:30 EDT 2001
  
  Computer Music has come to the consumers and very easily affordable. Many things have been automated easily for Desktop Musicians. Having the following and working on them as a serious hobby/profession will definitely make them realize what the young popular MDs does is not impossible.
  - Decent exposure to Music.
  - Interest in Composing/Arranging.
  - Professional Arranger Keyboard.
  - Decent Computer Softwares for Music.
  - Samplers.
  
  Please don't consider that this is to belittle anyone. Enormous sincerity, hard work goes into any music production. I respect their efforts sincerely.
  
  Talk to some of the musicians like Srikanth, Swamiji, UV etc., in this DF who are having all the above, I am sure they also feel the same about young MDs - there's nothing impossible.
  
  I don't say they will like IR but someone like IR will always respected and treated as their role models. But ARR/KR/YSR hmmm...
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.66) on: Sun May 20 15:28:49 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is definitely a role model...he was the first to set a NEW trend and break away from IR trend-followers and clone...please don't belittle what u cannot achieve !
  
  
• From: Computer_Musician (@ 24.4.252.137) on: Sun May 20 15:55:00 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is really good. I said it's possible to do what he can - definitely you have to be blessed with all the talents/opportunities & not just by investing on desktop and electronic gadgets. Otherwise we would have got 100,000 ARRs by now. Don't get me wrong. But it will be unfair to think that one cannot achieve - nothing is impossible, someone somewhere is already made for setting another good trend:-)) If Cosmican likes ARR so much and he understands the music making well, we too love ARR and his good music in all good spirits. Buddy! nobody is belittling ARR take cool...it's just that idolizing somebody will hurt you later. Good MDs are human beings, they too lead a similar life like you and me:-))
  Don't we go thru good and bad times? Watch out for another entropy which evolves another trend as you grow old.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Mon May 21 01:59:11 EDT 2001
  
  True..CM...I agree with you that blind FANaticism is not good...actually the Trend started by ARR has led to growth of clones...if you may call it...but KR, YSR, HJ have achieved similar quality...where ARR beats them is with his individuality and advertising exposure...he has perfected the craft of building sophisticated sounding tunes..
  
  I only responded a bit negatively at first bcos of a lot of ARR bashing going around.
  
  
• From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Mon May 21 04:05:25 EDT 2001
  
  Why talk about only ARR bashing!Is IR bashing of IR any less?
  
  Even in threads meant for IR, a lot of mud singing is going on against him.It's unfortunate. True, ARR had indeed set a new trend.He has It does not mean that IR's achievement is any less. May be he was not a success in Hindi. Even Sivaji Ganesan was known more to tamil Audience than to other languages.That does not belittle the extra ordinary talent of Sivaji. Kamal, who is better known in India, can never do the role of Sivaji in "Thiru Vilayadal". It's not that Kamal is les talented. Certain roles are meant for certain people. They can not be repalced by others. Similarly, ARR is yet to produce a "Sindhu Bhairavi" or "Karagatta Karan".
  
  After having been in the field for 27 years and having scored for 800 films, if IR is being talked about so extensively, it's because of his genius, which was accepted by the masses.
  However there is a criticism that IR would not be liked by the city-bred. Though IR's forte was tunes with "mann vaasanai" he was equally adept at westernized ones. ("Agni Natchathram" is one good example).
  
  Let all the Fanatics of ARR know that what is happening to IR now, will happen to ARR tomorrow. May be 2003/2004.(All IR fanatics learnt it the hard way)
  
  
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Mon May 21 14:12:39 EDT 2001
  
  Raathshasan
  
  So, you do agree that IR is completely down now? Thats a surprise, as I havent heard any IR fan mention that. When cosmician mentioned about ARR, he didnt mention a single derogatory word about IR. But u at once started saying stuff like "ARR is yet to produce a "Sindhu Bhairavi" or "Karagatta Karan"". This is wrong, even ARR fans can say such stuff. But I wont, coz I dont believe in comparison.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon May 21 15:18:57 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician..can you elaborate on 'sophisticated sounding tunes' ??
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Mon May 21 15:33:36 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks Sridhar :)
  
  Hi Kiru...when I say sophisticated...I mean the chorus he employs...sounds westernized of course...but his songs take on a different dimension because of the chorus...more urban maybe...and the rhythms he creates - the tones are really decipherable..it's not just a bass and snare combination and he has more pauses in between his loops...he works on bringing the tone and colour of each instrument used clearly out...YSR and KR have a different style...their drum rhythms - bass and snare seem glued together more...this is my analysis...you as an audiophile may have a more technical analysis :)
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Mon May 21 15:39:50 EDT 2001
  
  'sophisticated sounding tunes' ---
  from a non-technical view...
  1. Same tune is used to produce a mega hit in whatever language it is sung.
  2. Produce music with some high quality top of the line artists.
  3. Clear sounding music.
  4. using state of the art gagets to produce music.
  5. Fresh music.
  6. Tapes are well manufactured for the money you pay, (non-pink tapes:)
  
  There are many more things I can fit arr's songs
  
  He is a real trend setter, he made the mds work little bit more than just being a mere score writers. Mds of today just follow arr's book of music production..
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 152.163.197.47) on: Mon May 21 18:09:23 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician,
  tami-nglish sounding, horrible accented singers are the reason why he sounds , what did you call it?-''sophisticated''.
  comment, add same tunes in all movies to your list:-)
  for your convenience i give the names of 'some high quality top of the line artists '-
  singers like Udit, Sonu, Sukhvinder and Ila Arun,sadhana sargam ,suresh peters,vasundara das,rafi, clinton,febi,apache indian, yugendran,subha,kavitha k,mahalaxmi,vaishali are some of the assasins who have sodhappufied tamil songs in this process of trying to sound sophisicated .and of course , the leader of the pack is the man himself with songs like columbus ,hamma hamma,tenali etc.
  points 3,4,6-natru nattaya,kalai parithaya case-than,someone developed the technology and he is raeping the benefits.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 152.163.197.47) on: Mon May 21 18:14:56 EDT 2001
  
  sridhar,
  did rathsashan say anywhere IR is down now?he just was referring to the fact that IR is out of favor with the masses-same will happen to ARR and the man after him.idhu iyarkaiyin niyadhi.only difference is IR is creatively going strong without trying to sound 'sophisticated'.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Mon May 21 18:53:37 EDT 2001
  
  yarro,..
  unni krishnan,
  ganesh kumaresh,
  guitar prasana
  ranjit bharoth,
  loy mendosa,
  sivamani,
  flute naveen
  kadri gopalnath
  nithyashree,
  bombay jaishree
  hariharan,
  shanker mahadevan etc etc....
  
  ....many many more...
  
  I dont want to be Nocturnal. I see light better than dark.
  
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 152.163.197.47) on: Mon May 21 19:17:40 EDT 2001
  
  comment-sorry,
  i assumed we were talking only about vocalist.i agree with the above list-but the above voices i have mentioned are one rason for ARR sounding 'sophisticated'.even you cant refute the fact.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Mon May 21 19:47:57 EDT 2001
  
  yaroo no probs, lets us this logically, without bringing in our favorite composers....
  
  When you try to create something new, things misfire, arr learns it pretty quickly, he tries them for a while and just drops them if it does not work out, like he does not use Udit anymore here. also they are doing well in Hindi.
  
  Why KR, Yuvan or deva did not use any one from the list..before arr...secondly when they are bad why are they still being used by many compsers, tell me?
  
  it is not very hard see the postive qualities of a musician...arr did change how music was produced in India. Many are following his methods, like I would say vocal doubling is a good example. Usage of samplers, backing vocals , vocal harmonies...there are many musical aspects.
  
  I have heard many producers say arr has changed the music production scene in India., many old musicians are not able to cope up with this change. Many wants to work with arr,
  
  this topic should not include arr, like many big timers in tfm history he is also a big time trend setter, he did not limit himself to tamil music......he is making our music international.
  
  
• From: Yet_Another_Computer_Musician (@ 24.4.252.137) on: Mon May 21 20:40:18 EDT 2001
  
  Comment:
  
  > 'sophisticated sounding tunes' ---
  >from a non-technical view...
  >1. Same tune is used to produce a mega hit in >whatever language it is sung.
  
  Writing a program in Java ( Platform Independent Language ) and Writing a program in C++ ( You have to compile the program on every OS that you want to support. Look at the Pros and Cons...According to me ARR is a like Java - cool and casual - easy to execute anywhere once compiled. However as Java cannot really take any advantage of the platform specific features ( doesn't mean any harm but for some compromises ). IR/MSV/RDB etc., are like C++ programmers - Silicon Graphics has produced wonderful graphic workstations, but accessing it's graphics features to the best will be possible if you try to compile and write a program for it specifically. There may be some extra work needed each time they want to cater different OS.
  
  Yes Java is also yet another trendy language.
  If the C++ programmer is knowledgeable enough about each OS they want to support, they will do good job. In the process they may go thru lot of extra work each time they want to make music.
  
  >2. Produce music with some high quality top of the line artists.
  
  IR has worked with V.S.Narasimhan, not a popular violinist - didn't we hear good music. Many others have been trying this with many musicians. This isn't a real criteria for Sophisticated Sounding Tunes.
  
  >3. Clear sounding music.
  
  Yes I agree with you on this point.
  
  4. using state of the art gagets to produce music.
  
  Hmmm...Is it difficult to procure these things?
  
  5. Fresh music.
  
  Why can't IR/MSV/etc., give a fresh music - they are giving indeed or possibly can give a very fresh music.
  
  6. Tapes are well manufactured for the money you pay, (non-pink tapes:)
  
  I agree with you on this point.
  
  Yes ARR is yet another trend setter - May be Srikanth will be another one. When he becomes one, should we say that he has done like ARR. Then we would like to say that Srikanth is a good MD and he does it his way - Infact that's TRUE:-))
  
  Cheers,
  Yet Another Computer Musician
  
  
  

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