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Why are Non-Tamil singers favoured over Tamil singers?Is it fair?

Topic started by Tamilian (@ jrc-6-14.tm.net.my) on Wed Feb 4 09:59:08 EST 1998.
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• From: sudhakar nair (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Wed Nov 10 00:29:52 EST 1999
  
  well does the name hariharan sound like a tamil name to any of u...... i mean..... there were great writers in kerala by the name of hariharan in the early 16th century.... unless.... hariharan is tamilized.... :)..... even MGR claimed to be a tamizhan for popularity sake... and does that mean he's a tamil??....???!!!!!
  
  
• From: sudhakar nair (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Wed Nov 10 00:30:21 EST 1999
  
  well does the name hariharan sound like a tamil name to any of u...... i mean..... there were great writers in kerala by the name of hariharan in the early 16th century.... unless.... hariharan is tamilized.... :)..... even MGR claimed to be a tamizhan for popularity sake... and does that mean he's a tamil??....???!!!!!
  
  
• From: sudhakar nair (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Wed Nov 10 00:31:09 EST 1999
  
  well does the name hariharan sound like a tamil name to any of u...... i mean..... there were great writers in kerala by the name of hariharan in the early 16th century.... unless.... hariharan is tamilized.... :)..... even MGR claimed to be a tamizhan for popularity sake... and does that mean he's a tamil??....???!!!!!
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 216.32.18.74) on: Wed Nov 10 14:31:28 EST 1999
  
  Hi,
  
  Read few posting that Arr is a maalu,
  No, he is a mara-tamilzan. Just the birth place would not brand him that he is malayalee or anything for that matter, so I an tamil kid is born in Russia, does she become a russian.
  No....
  
  But guys you know MSV is a MALU, but he hardly talks in MAlayalam, he talks better tamil than Tamilzans.
  
  Sure most of must have heard the following words,
  
  ---> Vantha varai vazavaikum Tamizagam!...
  
  
  
• From: AT (@ max2-11-129.njit.edu) on: Sat Nov 13 17:05:23 EST 1999
  
  Hi,
  Everyone in the forum should have born in the 60's,70's or 80's with the preconception of the bifuricated boundaries of the state, but that should not overshadow history. During the Madras presidency days the four south indian states were one big state and before it was divided into kingdoms (cheras,cholas,pandya,pallava,....etc). So one can understand, how the populations should have migrated and emigrated and coalesced. It would be nice to unravel history and find ones roots.(everyone should understand history for a broader(& mature) perspective of things..)
  Its IMMATERIAL who's from where....
  Every south indian(infact every INDIAN) should make efforts to understand the good in every sister/brother/mother/father language and assimilate the best and encourage the best, for the mutual growth every language.And thats where one language and culture can preserve and grow. And I think,thats already happening!
  
  
  
• From: AT (@ max2-11-129.njit.edu) on: Sat Nov 13 17:06:36 EST 1999
  
  Hi,
  Everyone in the forum should have born in the 60's,70's or 80's with the preconception of the bifuricated boundaries of the state, but that should not overshadow history. During the Madras presidency days the four south indian states were one big state and before it was divided into kingdoms (cheras,cholas,pandya,pallava,....etc). So one can understand, how the populations should have migrated and emigrated and coalesced. It would be nice to unravel history and find ones roots.(everyone should understand history for a broader(& mature) perspective of things..)
  Its IMMATERIAL who's from where....
  Every south indian(infact every INDIAN) should make efforts to understand and learn the good in every sister/brother/mother/father language and assimilate the best and encourage the best, for the mutual growth of every language.And thats where one language and culture can preserve and grow. And I think,thats already happening!
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.148) on: Mon Nov 15 23:16:22 EST 1999
  
  AT!
  Good thinking! In fact, we should expand the idea to `all humans' and not just to Indians!
  
  
• From: AT (@ max2-11-153.njit.edu) on: Tue Nov 16 02:12:40 EST 1999
  
  Sorry 'eden' I was a bit narrow minded and missed the "all humans" part. Language is a powerful tool, if we use it positively we grow or else we stagnate or loose our roots.
  
  
• From: Just for fun (@ 193.188.124.233) on: Tue Nov 16 05:35:42 EST 1999
  
  Is this thread related to TFM or birth place of TFM MD's and singers ?
  
  
• From: Mani Sastry (@ p33.amax31.dialup.aus2.flash.net) on: Tue Nov 16 10:57:06 EST 1999
  
  In my opinion any singer from south India can do a fine job singing in Tamizh after appropriate training for the pronunciation. The truth of the matter is, Tamizh is the language that provided roots to rest of the south Indian languages along with Sanskrit. No matter what part of south the singer comes from should be appreciated if the voice and the deliverence of language is great. By saying this I am not excluding rest of the world. If the CRITERIA have been met, any singer from any part of the world must be appreciated. The misery comes into play when we have to listen to bad diction delivered by a "?????" singer like Udit Narayan, irrespective of Tamizh or Telugu. I am a great supporter, promoter, and admirer of languages and I can not stand it when a good tune is adulterated with bad pronunciation. I love singing in Tamizh (or any other language if the music is good) eventhough I am not a Tamizhian by birth. But, of course, I make sure of my diction before I go on stage. This is the only way to show respect to that language. We have to remember that language is the identity of culture and should be kept intact.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Tue Nov 16 15:47:27 EST 1999
  
  Mani,
  I agree with you. Also, it is not fair to brand somebody as tamil, telugu or kannada. When they have actually trained to be a musician which usually crosses language boundaries. But MDs are human and they have their biases towards people from their state or from their family. It is all part of growing up. Every one should try to grow out of these biases.
  
  
• From: ST Srinivasan (@ firewall.baan.com) on: Thu Nov 18 14:46:51 EST 1999
  
  Why are Non-Tamil singers favoured over Tamil singers?
  
  Because we are too broad minded brother. What are we doing since MGR to recent JJ, Rajini, ARR etc.,
  Forget it. Thats our culture. And let us be broadminded. It is difficult to see a state in India like Tamil Nadu. Be proud of that.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ dhcp-css-consult-12.lg.informix.com) on: Thu Nov 18 17:28:09 EST 1999
  
  How does it matter if a singer is a Tamil or not (as long as he pronounces the words properly). Had there been mother tongue based strictures, we would not have had a SPB or TMS. We would have had SN Surendar, Deepan Chakravarthy ,Malaysia Vasudevan or seekazhi sivachidambaram assaulting
  more often than they were actually allowed to. Of all the divisions in the mankind, division/partiality based on a language (after all) is the lowest.Unfortunately , Tamils were naive enough to allow politicians to even consider the language factor.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.139) on: Thu Nov 18 18:06:32 EST 1999
  
  ST srinivasan,
  It might be true that we are broad-minded but it does'nt justify MD's bringing sukhwinder singh, Udit narayan etc. to sing for actors like rajni. This is simply atrocious!!! 'kuluvaalile' from muthu is the worst I have heard in quite a while. Udit narayan has abused, killed, buried and post-mortemized the song.
  
  hen there are talented singers in the south why go for inferior stuff from up north is my question. the same holds true even for actresses.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.146) on: Fri Nov 19 00:07:58 EST 1999
  
  Mother tongues of some icons in TFM:
  PS - Telugu
  SJ - Telugu
  KSC - Malayalam (These three cover close to 90% of the all time top songs in TFM, IMO!)
  
  KJY - Malayalam
  SPB - Telugu
  JC - Malayalam
  TMS - Saurashtra (Similar case here too!)
  
  Looks like I have already listed majority of the all time TOPs! Vandharai vaazha vaikkum Thamizhagame, nee vaazhka!
  
  
• From: A Different Perspective :-)) (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Fri Nov 19 01:23:43 EST 1999
  
  Neengal solvathai paarththaal Thamizhagaththai (read TFM) vaazhavaiththathu, vaazhvaiththukondiruppathu, vanthavargalthaan. :-))
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Nov 19 11:42:29 EST 1999
  
  people who are bad (mostly) when they sing TFM,
  
  (1) lathA mangEshkar
  (2) udith nArAyaN
  (3) ilA aruN
  (4) kavith krishNamUrththi (not very bad tho')
  (5) sAdhanA sargam
  
  do you see a pattern?
  
  :-))))))
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon-njfw.icon.com) on: Fri Nov 19 12:47:25 EST 1999
  
  Latha - Maharashtran
  Udith Narayan - Nepali
  Ila Arun - Rajashthani
  Kavitha Subramaniam (LS's wife?) -Sambhar
  Sadhana Sargam - UP?
  
  Where is the connection - King of Blessing?
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Nov 19 13:31:52 EST 1999
  
  rAjA,
  
  look at eden's lists (TMS was born in TN and lived in TN) and my/your list. you see the difference.
  
  bye bye before people get back at me. :-))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Fri Nov 19 14:24:45 EST 1999
  
  I think I see AruL's point. If one is born in any of the 4 states in Southern India, then he/she can do a fairly adequate job in delivering thamizh songs. But if you are belong to any of the other states (I am once again excluding South Indians who talk a South Indian language at home but live in North India) then singing thamizh or Malayalam is especially a challenge.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Nov 19 18:37:15 EST 1999
  
  rAjAjI,
  
  ;-)))
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 207.18.199.140) on: Fri Nov 19 18:52:14 EST 1999
  
  yes. especially those born/raised in Calcutta ;-)))
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri Nov 19 19:10:01 EST 1999
  
  thaththuvavAthi,
  
  they are a special breed. they can sing any language with ease like a native does :-)))))))
  
  
• From: thaths (@ 207.18.199.140) on: Fri Nov 19 19:18:07 EST 1999
  
  I wasn't kidding... I meant it seriously... Most of my friends from Bengal have a very sweet voice and sing very well. (there are so many Hindi FM singers from Bengal, (Kishore-dhaa...etc.)). I am not sure whether it is because of the food habit or the culture or what...
  sorry for the digression ! ;-)
  
  
• From: pb (@ neutron.chem.yale.edu) on: Thu Nov 25 01:23:03 EST 1999
  
  Hi, I am new to this forum. I agree with most of you in that for an artist, language should not be a barrier; but, still, for the sake of art, he/she should not kill the language. SPB writes down the lyrics in Telugu, but still sings so well in Tamil. And, if a good singer like Udit or Hariharan is going to sing, no probs, except that he should not kill our mother tongue. It feels as if there is no way for such songs other than those people who kill the language to sing. Being broad minded does not mean we allow anyone and everyone to kill the pronunciation. And, just for the information, many people in Maharashtra don't prefer SPB singing Hindi songs for he does not pronounce the words properly - this is after giving such mega hits like Maine Pyar Kia and Hum Apke Hain Koun. So, songs are important, but the way they are sung is more important.
  
  

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