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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 4: Vaarththai Prayoagam

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 23 21:34:25 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just theirVaarththai Prayoagam for this thread. By vaarththai prayoagam, we mean captivating use of language, word play, different use of a known word, vocabulary, etc. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known.

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Responses:

• From: Rajaraman (@ 210.24.206.2) on: Fri Jul 24 01:14:54 EDT 1998
  
  I regret I don't have time for such symposiums but I couldn't resist mentioning this line from "marudhamalai maamaniye" (deivam)
  
  'anju'dhal nilaimaari
  'aaru'dhal uruvaaga
  'ezhu' pirappillum unnai
  'ettu'ven
  
  Anyone has full lyrics for the song? Romba arumayaana word play throughtout the song.
  
  
  
  
• From: 4_to_7 (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 01:40:31 EDT 1998
  
  Another numbering word play by Kannadasan
  
  un acham nANam endRa nAngum
  en arugil vandhavudan anjum
  idhaz parukum pOthu nenjam ARum
  adhu pAdum inba swaram Ezum
  
  nAn unnai sErndha selvam - from KalaikOil
  
  
• From: VALAI-yAbathy (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 01:52:34 EDT 1998
  
  vaLai enRa vArthai eppadi vaLainthu nezinthu
  varuthu intha Kannadasan pAttil....
  
  sinnaVALAI mugam sivanthaVALAI
  nAn sErthuk koLvEn karam thottu
  ennaVALAI kAthal sonnaVALAI
  nAn Erruk koLvEn VALAI ittu
  
  vandhaVALAI karam thanthaVALAI
  nee VALAIthu koLvAy VALAIittu
  poonguVALAI kaNgaL koNdaVALAI
  puthu poo pOl poo pOl thottu
  
  thooyaVALAI nenjai thodarnthaVALAI
  mella thAn thottAl thuVALUm
  pAl mazalai mozi padithaVALAI
  
  kannam mATHULAI kanitha sEizai
  
  vAn mazai pOl AdaVALAI
  suvai engE engE maRakkum
  nee aVALAI vittu pOgum varai..
  
  minnum kaiVALAI mithakkum pEngaLAI
  
  
  
  
  
• From: economist (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 01:57:33 EDT 1998
  
  Another kutti wording touch by Kannadsan from
  
  Kudumbam oru kathambam....about working-wife
  Vs House-wife pAttil...
  
  "poruLAthArathilE poruL thAnA thAram endRu"
  
  
• From: TGIF_mood (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 02:08:21 EDT 1998
  
  Another word play by Kannadsan with kizamaigaL
  
  njAyiRu enbathu kaNNAga
  thingaL enbathu peNNAga
  sevvAi kOvai pazamAga
  puthanAi nadanthathu azahAga
  viyAzan varumE vidiyalAga
  veLLi pOl thuLLi varuvAi nee!
  
  sari sari vidunga - vishayam therinja vangaLE!!
  Ezukku nAlu uNmaithAnE!!
  
  konja nALa kavinjar Avi ennai pOttu Atti vaikkuthu
  what to do ??
  
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 204.220.167.184) on: Fri Jul 24 05:06:30 EDT 1998
  
  good examples from @bones!
  
  we can also split the economist's quote as
  porulaathaaraththile porulthan aathaaram enru.
  
  which makes sense in the song? I dont have
  the complete lyrics.
  
  i got reminded as
  en rajaavin roja mugam
  thingal pol chirikkum
  chevvayil paal manakkum
  (Vaali or KD?)
  
  (secret question) kavignar aavi aattivacchchu observer
  aanadhu neenga thana?
  
  
  
• From: no_thingaL (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 06:11:50 EDT 1998
  
  rjay:
  
  I am NOT "observer" (he is a spider) but
  "guess1"m, "guess2"m, "flash_newser"m nAnE.
  
  Another kizamai usage from Idhya Kamalam
  
  thEdi vandtha thingaL
  thingaLil sevvAi
  sevvAil veLLi
  sErtheduthEn ALLi
  
  thOL kaNdEn thOLE kaNdEn
  
  Looks like Kavinjar is addicted to using
  "sevvAi" always after "thingaL" !!!
  
  I am NOT in a THINGAL mood ippa.
  Yet another Manic Monday!!! - vEndAndOi
  
  
• From: mu_ka_muthu (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 07:06:30 EDT 1998
  
  ANi muththu vAngi vandhEn
  Avani veedhiyilE
  aLLi vaiththu pArthirunthEn
  azaku kaigaLilE
  
  why Kavinjar just stopped with just Ani & AvaNi ??
  
  What does it mean "Ani muthu" - specail type of pearl ??
  
  AvaNi veedhi is in Madurai mela/keeza AVaNi streets.
  
  
• From: OOR_suththi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 24 08:16:28 EDT 1998
  
  In TGIF mood..I have to tell what happened to me
  
  On the otherday, in Railway Ticket Counter:
  
  bones : "UPPER" birth kodunga
  clerk : ellAm full
  bones : appadinnA "SUMBUNDER" birth kodunga
  clerk : enna kiNdala! UPPER SUMBANDHURnu
  bones : illinag "SOME UNDER" Birth kodungannu sonnEn
  
  Clerk sirichittE "sari sari entha ooruku pOganum ?"
  
  Bones (Kannadasan Avi pidichavar) started singing.....
  
  entha OOR endRavanE
  iruntha OORai sollavA ?
  antha OOR neeyum kooda
  aRintha OOR allavA!!
  
  udalOORil vAznthirunthEn
  uRAvOORil mithanthirunthEn
  karuvOORil kudi pugunthEn
  maNNOORil vizunthu vittEn
  kaNNOORil thavaznthirunthEn
  kaiyOORil vaLarnthirunthEn
  kAlOORil nadanthu vandhu
  kALAiOOR vandhivittEn!!
  
  vELOORaip pArthu vittEn
  viziyOORil kalanthu vittEn
  pAl OORum paruvam ennum pattinathil kudi pugunthEn
  
  kAthalOOR kAtiyavaL
  kAttOORil vittu vittAL
  kanniyOOR maRanthavudan
  kadalOORil vizunthu vittEn
  paLLathOORil thavikka vittu
  mEtOORil antha mangai nindru koNdAL
  keezOORil vAzvathaRku kiLimoziyAl illaiyadA
  mElOORum pOvathaRku vELai varavillaiyadA
  
  Clerk: !!!!! YOV nee ivLO OORukku pOganumnA
  "VISIT INDIA" Railway pass vAngnAthAn undu
  
  OORs song from Kattu Roja by kannadasan
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-ti031.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 24 09:47:48 EDT 1998
  
  Bones:
  As always, your introduction to the "oor" pAdal was absolutely hilarious--especially the "sambandhar/some under berth"!
  BTW, I'm not "Observer" either, but I am an America On Line user and have noticed I get "spider" once in a while too; so, please don't use that as a "clue".
  
  Topic:
  Bones has mentioned quite a few of my favorites. Some more kaNNadhAsan's full-length classics with wordplay are:
  1. pArththEn siriththEn--veera abhimnanyu
  2. aththikkAi kAi kAi--balE pANdiyA
  Since we've discussed these songs several times in DF, I'm skipping the details.
  
  
• From: murali (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Fri Jul 24 10:20:02 EDT 1998
  
  NiLa pAdalkal:
  
  'vAn niLa niLa andha pon valibam en niLa' - pattinapravesam. don't know the complete lyrics.
  
  'then pAndi thEn niLa theyadha pAl niLa' - mounam samatham. Is this song by VM?
  
  Also the following lines from a song from pAttum bharathamum.
  
  ' narai vizhunthalum nenjil thirai vizhavillai'.. conveys the hero's emotion very nicely.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ spider-wd064.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 24 13:28:52 EDT 1998
  
  Un viralgal en azhagai meetum
  Un vizhigal en uyirai vaattum
  
  Naan unnai Sernda selvam from Kalaikkoil.
  
  
• From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56) on: Fri Jul 24 13:36:34 EDT 1998
  
  kanavukaLE kanavukaLE kaalamellam vaarirO
  ninaivukaLE ninaivukalE nindrupOka mattirO
  nimathiyai thaarirO
  
  AtiyilE kaatradithaal
  Ayiramai ilai uthirum
  Ippasi mazai pozinthaal
  aththanium thirumba varum
  
  avL
  Ati vara paarthirunthEn
  Ati vanthu sEnthathamma
  ippasikku kaathirunthEn
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-wb043.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 24 13:54:35 EDT 1998
  
  kaNNadhAsan again...
  Two songs in andhAdhi format from "moondru mudichchu":
  1. vasantha kAla nadhiyinilE
  2. Adi veLLi thEdi unnai
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Fri Jul 24 14:34:37 EDT 1998
  
  I have a feeling VM is going to be outclassed in this category, but here goes...
  Of all present-day ideas, VM seems to be the only one who writes songs as much for expressing ideas as for expressing his linguistic skills. The following technique may now be considered over-used, but when it first came out,
  
  kaNNukku mai azhagu
  kavidhaikku poi azhagu
  avaraikkup pOO azhagu
  avarukku nAn azhagu
  
  kAdhalanukku kAdhali uRavai varNikka azhagu enRa vArthayai vaiththukkondu evvaLavu "azhagAga" oru series of similes-ai VM ezhudiyuLLAr.
  
  
• From: Ranga @ragakala@ix.netcom.com (@ 207.237.8.20) on: Fri Jul 24 14:48:47 EDT 1998
  
  kaN theriyaatha naayagiyin keLvigaLukku
  avaLai vaiththae padhil sollum nayagan.
  avaL : idhu iravaa? pagalaa?
  avan : nee nilavaa kadhiraa?
  avaL : idhu vanamaa maaLigaiyaa?
  avan : nee malaraa oviyamaa?
  avaL : megam enbathum minnal enbathum arugil illayaa?
  avan : un koondhal enbathil poochcharam vaippathai arivaai illayaa?
  
  
• From: Ranga (@ 207.237.8.20) on: Fri Jul 24 14:56:27 EDT 1998
  
  Actually Vaali is the one who had mastered the play of words. Almost all MGR songs are good because of the intelligent choice of words. When it comes to 'Vaarthaip prayogam' we should include vaali also. Otherwise it would be like asking 'Who is the best fielder 'Tendulkar or Srinath' when Jadeja looks on.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jul 24 15:24:39 EDT 1998
  
  Ranga, since VM and Kannadhaasan shared the Kaviyarasu title until recently and Kungumam began the speculation after Shivaji said VM is better than Kannadhaasan, we are only comparing these two poets. There are plenty of others besides Vaali who also merit attention but this is a specific comparative study between two poets--Kannadhaasan and VM, so Vaali needs to be left out of this symposium. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Fri Jul 24 15:42:16 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry: "Of all present-day ideas, VM seems to be..." in my previous posting should actually read "Of all present-day poets, VM seems to be..."
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jul 24 17:43:46 EDT 1998
  
  VM's lyrics are known for their arresting imagery. Also, since he hails
  from the "Pudhukavithai" school of poetry, his choice of words is
  always unique and economical. What VM brought to TFM, what he specializes in, is
  surrealistic imagery and juxtaposing irony (muran?) on unlikely things
  and situations.
  
  From "Vaanamae Ellai" the following line in the song "Nadodi Mannargalae" is a
  wonderful example of his surrealism:
  
  nilavaip pidiththu
  tharaiyil siraivaiththaalum
  velichchum kodukkum
  
  
  In the song,"Thannithotti" from "Sindhu Bhairavi",to describe the fall
  from grace of a great artist, VM uses this simple analogy to profound effect:
  
  indha sooriyan vazhukki
  saeththil vizhundhadhu saami
  
  
  in this line from the song "Manithaa Manithaa" (movie?), VM shows the
  strength of a revolutionary movement, its proliferation in this
  amazing surrealistic image:
  
  asaiyum kodigal
  uyarum uyarum
  nilavin mudhugai
  urasum
  
  
  The following examples are for his expert use of irony. From the movie
  "Udhayageetham", in the song "udhayageetham paaduvaen", appear the following
  lines:
  
  ulagam ellam marandhu
  poagum
  maranam kooda irandhu
  poagum
  
  
  in "poomaalai vaangi" from "Sindhu Bhairavi" VM uses another
  effective muran:
  
  maanaththin maanaththai
  vaangivittaan
  
  
  The following are examples of exquisite descriptions and imagery:
  From "pani vizhum malar vanam", though IR kicks-butt with his great interludes,
  if you just look at the sandham of this song, it is very simple without
  much range for long sentences, but what VM came up for lyrics belong in a book
  of poetry not a movie song:
  
  panivizhum malarvanam un paarvai oru varam
  inivarum munivarum thadumaarum kanimaram
  . . .
  saelai moodum ilanjoalai maalai soodum malarmaalai
  irubadhu nilavugal nagamengum olividum
  ilamaiyin kanavugal vizhiyoaram thulirvidum
  kaigal idaigalil neligaiyil idaiveli kuraigaiyil
  eriyum vilakkuch chiriththu kangal moodum
  . . .
  kaaman koayil siraivaasam kaalai ezhundhaal parigaasam
  thazhuvidum pozhudhilae idam maarum idhayamae
  viyarvaiyin mazhaiyilae payiraagum paruvamae
  aadum ilaigalil vazhigira nilavoli iruvizhi
  mazhaiyil nanaindhu magizhum vaanambaadi
  
  
  in this song,"Neethanae endhan" from the same movie, VM
  stands his own with the best Romantic poets in any language.
  Especially the last three lines come pouring so fast that the
  synchronizing of the words is so perfect, it sounds like a
  prayer song:
  
  
  panneeril ilandhaegam neeraadum
  panippookkal unaikkandu thaenoorum
  nee aadai anigalan soodum araigalil roajaa maalligai vaasam
  muga vaervaith thuliyadhu poagum varaiyilum thenral kavarigal veesum
  nenjoaram thallaadum muththaaram ennaalum
  . . .
  eera iravil nooru kanavu
  paedhai vizhiyil boadhai ninaivu
  un aasai midhakkinra paalaadai
  un kaalai kulippaattum neeroadai
  veyil naalum sudumena dhaegam kedumena jannal thiraiyidum maegam
  iru kaadhal vizhigalil paesum mozhigalil piraiyum pournami aagum
  sandhoasham unnoadu kaiveesum ennaalum
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Jul 24 18:42:18 EDT 1998
  
  Lyrics correction in the second-last line of the song "Needhanae":
  iru kaadhal vizhigalil paesum mozhigalil piraiyum pournami aagum
  should be
  iru kaadhal vizhigalil veesum oligalil
  piraiyum pournami aagum
  
  

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