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Downloading songs from the Internet

Topic started by Rakesh (@ 202.88.155.18) on Mon Jan 13 06:14:43 EST 2003.
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Hi
Becasue of the recent VCD rentals and downloading the songs from the internet, the Tamil Film Industry has been and is suffering. Should we support VCDs and Downloading music from the internet? do You think it shouldd be banned?

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Responses:

• From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (@ 210.195.144.99) on: Mon Jan 13 07:39:20 EST 2003
  
  people like u rakesh should be shoot till death...
  
  
• From: Sreedhar (@ 24.30.132.23) on: Tue Jan 14 23:37:35 EST 2003
  
  how many people have access to these -- VCD and internet? My parents in India don't, and they are not poor. To extend your argument, how about cable TV? The different cable channels keep showing movies over and over again, leading to poor attendance at Cinema theatres.
  
  Even in the 'good' old days, not a single paisa from cassette or gramaphone-record sales reached the artists - singers, lyricist, or music director (like KVM, G Ramanathan). I would like to see more revenue/profit sharing.
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Wed Jan 15 00:48:41 EST 2003
  
  sreedhar,
  I feel we forget the responsiblity while discussing in these things ...Our responsiblity will be not to encourage these things ..
  
  
• From: Sreedhar (@ 24.30.132.23) on: Sun Jan 19 01:15:15 EST 2003
  
  as long as there are people willing to share, it will be impossible to control. I agree the internet has speeded up this process. Now I can talk to people with like-interests wherever they may be. This could also lead to a better appreciation of, and hence more interest in, the music. For instance, read this MKTB site
  http://raja1630.tripod.com/mktb/id18.html
  I have learnt so much from this 'sharing' - basics of ragas, information about old films, actors, directors, even 'practical' stuff like using windows, PC, WAV and mp3 software, signal processing, etc.
  
  
• From: fan of music (@ 12.250.179.102) on: Sun Jan 19 10:49:14 EST 2003
  
  Before discussing downloads and VCDs, the piracy in the industry (pirating and counterfiting CDs and DVDs) needs to be controlled. Stores like Jeya and Brothers in Toronto are well known for this, I am sure there are so many shops soing this. Also the "Camera" copies needs to be controlled, the westeren industry is going for HDTV and more digital based technologies to get a better experience, but we are struggling with piracy issues. Even if I buy a DVD today, the changes are that it is not done properly that I get the maximum out of it.
  
  My point is, this is a bigger problem, beyond downloading MP3s from the internet.
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.121) on: Wed Jan 22 11:08:15 EST 2003
  
  Ok Guys I back the notion of realising audio on the internet.
  
  Reason
  I am currently in USA, the only way I can listen to the songs, is through the net. After that If I like the songs, I buy it. Till now whatever songs I have liked I have bought it.
  
  Ethics:
  Now this is something that everyone have to practice it, if You like the songs, u should buy it, that is something that should come from your heart. If you are not buying it, u'r nothing but a thief that too a petty thief.
  
  Many of you in India will ask us, why should you'll be given an oppurtuinty to listen ? See first of all if you are in India, you can see TV advertisements and know that the particular song is good and then buy it for 50 Rs. Here we have to buy, first of all a CD and that too for $9 or so, which is like Rs 500, we can't really experiment often with that kind of money.
  
  " To stop any crime, one has to stop doing it, supporting it, Because everyone is doing it, if we do it, then there is no way any crime can be stopped "
  
  Piracy can only be controlled, if people stop watching pirated VCDs. It is upto us to stop supporting this crime.
  
  To my knowledge every Indian Store in USA has pirated Indian Movies, which most of people are renting and watching, I have stopped, lets hope u all stop it. Only talking in this forum won't help us.
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 168.166.80.205) on: Fri Jan 24 12:42:29 EST 2003
  
  I agree with Sivam in some instances.. Being in US and living away from big cities, the only way to listen to new songs is through the net. I would like to support sites like dhool, raaga and thaalam who provide songs online, whereas certain sites which post new mp3s are always not welcome among certain people.. Though in india, downloading mp3 and recording it in a CD is a painstaking process, some people who work or own a internet cafe can afford to do it and circulate the CD to others... During our days of audio cassettes, we used to do the same using the dual deck recorder or recording it from vividh baradhi or FM... In US and europe,where broadband is easily available, people dont even bother to go to music stores anymore. I guess the bulk of money through audio sales is based in India and not abroad.. and there is no way we can stop piracy and copying audio cds in India... I have purchased CDs in indian stores in europe which are locally made... They have 3 movies or 4 movies in each CD and cost around 4$ each... Though I purchased this in a store, the money doesnt go to HMV or MG or any music company.. Instead of investing money on those local stores, you can invest it my broadband connection and CD writer which would make sense... ultimately its the survival of the fittest...:)
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.121) on: Fri Jan 24 13:44:11 EST 2003
  
  Great I tell to stop Piracy and he says I will do it myself. The reason Indian Music companies don't make any money abroad is because of two possible reasons ; They don't sell abroad or they don't market it properly.
  
  Now if you notice where do we buy our Music CD ?, In Indian Stores or through India based websites.
  Though guys sell CD at obnoxious rates, for e.g. Anytamil.com sells CD at 11.95 each - Rs 567, Make some profit yaar, but selling at this rate is looting.
  
  Piracy will go on atleast abroad, Until Unless our companies find a way to provide their goods at a reasonable rate and easily accesible method
  
  " Again I am not supporting Piracy, I am just pointing out the cause and why we are unable to do anything against it "
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 165.89.84.6) on: Fri Jan 24 15:02:38 EST 2003
  
  I think it's really nice that we can download songs from net and burn our own CDS. As such, shops were charging between $10 to $12 (sometimes $15) for CDS and making a nice 200-300% profit margin. At least, songs availabilty on internet has put some pricing pressures and we are able to get CDS in shops for $6 per CD.
  
  I think it's a healthy trend...
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 168.166.80.205) on: Fri Jan 24 16:04:44 EST 2003
  
  The music company can have mp3 songs on their websites and they could charge customers for downloading.. By doing this, the piracy is protected to some extent and you atleast pay for the music to the right person some way or the other...Again making duplicate copies or using duplicate logins are always possible...
  
  
• From: lilmama (@ ) on: Sat Feb 21 13:51:18 EST 2004
  
  I think it's ok. Most people aint got that kind of money to go out and buy a cd every month or year. You should be able to download cd's if you wanna. Peace!
  
  
• From: radioshopowner (@ 130.225.53.16) on: Wed Feb 25 04:54:00 EST 2004
  
  Isn't it better to charge like 1 dollar for downloading songs from internet? I think its like stealing u use others products without having paid for it. Those who have internet have also money anough to pay for cd, dvds etc.
  
  
• From: Jessica (@ ) on: Mon Mar 8 15:14:28 EST 2004
  
  I think we should be allowed to download from the internet because there are families that need the internet for work or so thier kids can do their work; so all their money is being used so their kids can do their school work and to keep food on the table....single parents usually have no extra money..so there are people who can't afford to go out and buy a cd when ever they want.
  if anyone has any questions about my opinion just email me.
  
  
• From: sheila (@ 61.95.244.1) on: Mon Mar 8 16:56:36 EST 2004
  
  Most tamil movies steal music & ideas from the west, through the internet. So what if people exchange mp3 songs over the net, and pay the tamil movie makers in their own coin.
  
  
• From: jonathan keen (@ 24.116.204.24) on: Wed Mar 10 20:21:12 EST 2004
  
  no i don't
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Wed Mar 10 23:49:30 EST 2004
  
  I think we have had this discussion enough number of times. And as I remember the general conclusion is always as Sheila pointed.
  
  Very few people in this era will pay for something that they can obtain free. The only people who do that are usually fanatics (hard core fans of the artists). The most effective method to stop piracy is through law enforcement. Weighing on people's ethics is foolish. But when it comes to Indian music and movies there is a hitch. Nothing is 100% original. Movie and music makers cannot pursue legal actions against violators for fear of getting themselves entangled in web of lawsuits.
  
  Why do you think Anu Malik did not take any legal action against the makers of The Moulin Rouge? Certainly not because he is a saint.
  
  So this is the flow chart to end piracy. Artists stop stealing, or take legal permission for reuse, then we enforce piracy laws by throwing VCD makers, mp3 hosters and downloaders in jail, and then people start buying music and movies. Seems fair to me.
  
  
• From: jacky (@ 61.2.225.19) on: Thu Mar 11 12:01:15 EST 2004
  
  Legalizing downloads is one way to stop piracy, where you pay for the song of your interest and not an album. other one is Sensible pricing of the cds, i see neither of it happening.
  Anyways the new Napster should be something, haven't checked it out yet.
  
  
• From: ShivR (@ 69.31.11.17) on: Mon Mar 15 17:53:53 EST 2004
  
  IMHO,
  I don't think it is 'EVER' possible to stop exchange of mp3 or maybe future music formats. Right now, in well developed countries like US wherein internet facilities are par excellance, exchange is going smoothly. Soon internet facilities will become good in India too, and people will eventually stop buying the CD's or music cassettes.
  
  Main reason:
  
  Very hard to stop the development of technology. Say you protect a DVD from piracy with a software, there will be softwares to hack that protection software. so, it is a like a cycle. you create one, the other one gets created automatically.
  
  maybe fanatics will buy CD's. but how many are out there? (i am not among them ;-) will that boost sales. Nope. To stretch this a bit, public funded projects like the latest one by IR are bound to flop, which are solely based on sales. Atleast it would work if it is for a welfare cause like helping poor children.
  
  Solution to stop piracy: as of now, NOTHING and i doubt anything will come up in future.
  
  Shiv
  
  
  
  
• From: Rangika (@ 195.226.230.37) on: Thu Mar 18 04:27:47 EST 2004
  
  I wan't Download Indian Songs
  
  

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