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Has Karthik Raja clicked ??

Topic started by Sankaran (@ webgate6.mot.com) on Sat May 9 04:32:50 EDT 1998.
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After the high profile debut Karthik Raja had,has he really fulfilled the expectations from him?I feel that he has been brilliant in Ullasam and the Hindi movie Grahan,but not really earth-shattering as Rahman was in 92-93.What is his current status in TFM ? And what do our DF members think about his future ??

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Responses:

• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on: Sat May 9 18:09:17 EDT 1998
  
  NO!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ host17.globalcenter.net) on: Sun May 10 03:47:27 EDT 1998
  
  Based on his lousy track record (just listen to the crap in Kadhala Kadhala)and his disparaging remarks on ARR, Karthik Raja has clunked not clicked.
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Sun May 10 13:44:00 EDT 1998
  
  I think Karthik Raja's comments about ARR is well deserved. Someone finally has the guts to call a spade a spade. And I thought Kathala kathala songs were good definitely better than the stuff that ARR comes up with.
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Sun May 10 13:44:05 EDT 1998
  
  I think Karthik Raja's comments about ARR is well deserved. Someone finally has the guts to call a spade a spade. And I thought Kathala kathala songs were good definitely better than the stuff that ARR comes up with.
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Sun May 10 14:46:00 EDT 1998
  
  KR and Udhaya
  
  Could please tell what was KR's comment about ARR?
  
  For one, KR has the making of a super genius, but there are only sparks, no consistency like ARR or variety like ARR.
  
  
• From: sree (@ orchid.cs.concordia.ca) on: Sun May 10 14:47:02 EDT 1998
  
  I am sure KR will click in near future.He is coming up with nice songs.This is evident from his songs in Kadhala Kadhala ,NINI,Grahan, Ullasam.Still he has not reached the stage where he can be compared with ARR ,then comes the next stage comparing with his father IR.
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-137.bellatlantic.net) on: Sun May 10 20:11:59 EDT 1998
  
  Time is running out for Karthik Raja. If he doesn't deliver a unqualified megahit soon, he will end up as a also-ran.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon May 11 13:45:11 EDT 1998
  
  There are so many people in these discussions who are totally sold on IR and family. My mind gets hiccups just reading some of the sentiments:
  IR has a great voice, Pavadhaarani is a good singer, Kaadhala Kaadhala songs are good, ARR has no talent. We can debate endlessly and I will never agree with any of the above statements.
  
  ARR is an undeniable original. Ask Lata Mangeshkar what her favorite SPB song is--it happens to be "Kadhal Rojave" from ARR's very first movie, not the thousands of songs SPB has sung for IR. And Lata knows more about music than any of us in these discussions. Listen to what Laxmikanth Pyarelal said about music from "Roja".
  They couldn't decipher it musically because it doesn't follow any of the previously held
  notions of Indian pop music. Now, I am willing to concede that IR is multifaceted and a
  bonafide genius. But that being said, I would gladly trade everything IR has done since
  the advent of ARR for ARR's music if it certainly had to be one or the other. But that is a
  ridiculous notion to have to listen to one or the other. Music is an ocean, there shouldn't have to be one person monopolizing it. Why can't we enjoy both without having to tear one of them down?
  Look at Western pop music, there's a new face every week and everybody is embraced with
  open arms as long as they provide something new. This doesn't mean they have forgotten the old.
  
  ARR is the first MD to totally release TMF from the straight-jacket of traditional music.
  Now, don't come at me with guns, IR backers, I have nothing against traditional music I enjoy it a lot in fact, but I am open to travel new musical landscapes and I will never blindly embrace
  everything any one person does, unlike most IR backers in these discussions. I will not indulge
  myself or anyone else in any more discussions regarding ARR vs IR. ARR and IR are up there on stage exchanging rings and goodwill, why are we who should embrace all music acting as secessionists?
  There are plenty of other discussions worth all of our attention. Can we please spend our time there?
  
  
• From: k.r.ravi (@ ww-tn01.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 11 18:19:16 EDT 1998
  
  Hello Udhaya,
  
  You wanna measure the originality of tamil Music from Mangeshkars and Pyarelals. ? I , sorry. Why not ask our gurus down here like Balamuralikrishna, K.J.Yesudass, Semmangudi Srinivas Iyer...... and the like go and ask them, they will tell you about raja more than anybody else.FYI ILAYARAAJA is the favourite of legendary composer Naushad. Mangeshkar and Co were impressed by ARR's songs because of the hindustani tinge he added in his song.Why not they praise songs from " Duet, ", "Karuthamma".,"Uzhvan","Pudhiya Mugam".Because, they were all pure Tamil Songs in repsect of their compositions, intruments used, and the rythm. Those people cannot comprehend the rustic, folk tunes of Tamil Music and we better stop bringing them into our discussion. Thats the uniqueness of Tamil Music, and thats the reason we have such a big thread running down here. Karthick Raja is doing great, and his songs in Ullasam were refreshingly different. If you are sick of so many people here praising the Raja's so are we sick of people who dont realize the greatness and uniqueness of Raja's work
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb05.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 11 18:21:50 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  
  There are plenty of other discussions worth
  all of our attention. Can we please spend
  our time there ? :-))))
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon May 11 19:19:28 EDT 1998
  
  Dear k.r.ravi, if you read my message carefully you will realize that I give Raja his due. I just can't understand the dichotomy of TFM fans. Why should one either like just apples or just oranges? Why can't one enjoy apples, oranges, and all the other fruits? Is opening up to new influences that hard? I have realized this whole who is better analysis is as fruitless a discussion as fighting over apples vs. oranges. Let's all enjoy what we like and agree to disagree.
  Bhasker, ungal vendugolirku thandhuvittaen ennai.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-ti02.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 11 22:12:33 EDT 1998
  
  
  Udhaya:
  
  Thanksppa!
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed May 13 00:11:36 EDT 1998
  
  I dont know how you call Roja songs songs unique. They are very similar to previous IR songs. For eg. Chinna Cninna asai is similar to chinna chinna from mouna raagem. ARR has not done anything that IR has not done and done much better. IR is so innovative. Have you listened to Thendral vandhu from Avatharam or Alamarthu Kuyile from Annan. ARR has not composed a song in that calibre yet. The other day Iwas listening to Putham Pudhu Katrhu from alaiagl Oyvadhilai. The song mesmerizes you. The reason why IR fans dont aceept ARR in the same category is that he is NOT. He is just a phony guy that IR haters in the industry are pushing because of their jealosy against IR.
  
  Well, if ARR is the music you guys love then we are different levels and IR to me is so much above, classier and innovative that its even a waste of time- an insult to IR even talking about ARR at the same level as IR
  
  
• From: sankaran (@ webgate5.mot.com) on: Wed May 13 04:12:27 EDT 1998
  
  I started this thread on Karthik Raja and it is painful to see it degenerating to a kuzhaayadi sandai.I think that Udaya has been reasonable in what he has said and there is no need for a debate as to who is better,IR or ARR,they both deserve their due.Anyway,we cannot expect any kind of reasonable thought from people who are bent on ARR-bashing and IR-eulogising.I,for one,am a die-hard IR fan,but that can't rob from ARR his credentials.Let us stop this vainful discussion here.
  
  
• From: Nyayathai_kaappavan (@ webgate5.mot.com) on: Wed May 13 04:59:10 EDT 1998
  
  "... it is painful to see it degenerating to a kuzhaayadi sandai."
  
  "We cannot expect any kind of reasonable thought from people who are bent on ARR-bashing and IR-eulogising."
  
  "Let us stop this vainful discussion here."
  
  Appadi podunga Sankaran saar !! neenga sonnadhu noothukku nooru sari
  
  
• From: KR (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Wed May 13 07:31:25 EDT 1998
  
  I think this is once agin the refuge of the ARR promoters and IR bashers that whenever people call ARR for what he is - they do not want to discuss the truth. The truth is ARR is a made-up phenomenon promoted IR hating producers/directors and the newsmedia. In terms of the compositions, he is nowhere close to IR's quality.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on: Thu May 14 01:11:16 EDT 1998
  
  In my opinion karthik raja was better when he assisted his father and composed songs for avathaaram,ponnumani and paandiyan ,but unfortunately he has not even maintained the same standards in composing after he became independent.I feel that he has been pressurized into ARR style of composing and that is perhaps affecting his originality.
  
  though many people say that ARR and KR have been doing some innovating things with regard to choice of instruments,singers,recording quality etc. , as a music lover iam concerned more with melody and depth in tunes and that is sadly missing from today's MD's compositions.
  
  I have earlier given an analogy that ARR's music
  is like having fast food in a roaside joint and that IR's music is like having a hearty meal in saravana bhavan.well,the same goes true for karthik raja also.his type of music is like listen ,enjoy and forget.Atleast ARR had an impressive start and used to give some melodious numbers in the beginning of his career .but KR's numbers have never been very appealing melody wise.and i don't know why in his very first hindi film grahan he has to recycle an old tune from a tamil film kanmani for the song 'aaj main khush' by asha.
  
  I have already discussed about the emotional aspect in songs in another thread and that has sparked off a separate thread on emotional impact,thnks to viswa.if u see that thread u'll notice that all of those songs are in a separate class.they create an impact in u and u can hear them any number of times.
  
  i feel that lack of a strong classical base in tunes today are one of the reasons as to why they die soon.IR can compose even a dabbankuthu song like 'raasave chitherumbu' in a rarely used raaga like lathaangi.how many of the people would have known this when they listened to the song and enjoyed the tune.
  
  even as iam typing this iam listening to IR's guru
  and iam enthralled by the song's melody even though i do not understand a word of the malayalam song. that is the beauty of melody.
  
  well karthik raja, logically speaking, is not desperately in need of money or films or something like that.his father had to struggle.but he has had a smooth journey into TFM
  ,has the patronage of his father and should learn to be more assertive with producers and directors.he should have the final say when it comes to tunes. he should not treat this as business and should compose with the aim of outdoing whatever his father has done.
  
  I think KR is smart enough to understand all this and that he would churn out good melodies in the future.let's hope for the best!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 129.107.61.46) on: Thu May 14 05:22:10 EDT 1998
  
  Whats Karthik Raja's next movie?
  
  

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