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Mano and ARR

Topic started by Srikanth (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on Thu Aug 6 14:27:17 EDT 1998.
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ARR seems not using Mano these days. Only in Thiruda Thiruda and Kaadhalan, Mano had good (I mean full length) songs. In Merupu Kalalu (Minsara Kanavu in Tamil), he sang Strawberry kanne song. I feel Mano sang those songs well. ARR should be using him more -- atleast I feel, Mano can sing those songs that ARR is singing better than ARR. I am seeing a trend that ARR is taking one song in each of his movies...

Awaiting comments...

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Responses:

• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Aug 6 14:36:13 EDT 1998
  
  One of my friends observed that ARR doesn't want to do what others do. Hence his under utilization of SPB. :). Since Mano became popular after uLLaththai aLLi thaa, perhaps ARR doesn't want to use him all that much.:-). The tamizh version of strawberry kannE wasn't by Mano right?
  hEy wait a min. what about iruvar? That aayiraththil naan oruvan song was excellently sung by Mano.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Aug 6 14:41:12 EDT 1998
  
  ella MDs-kkum oru stageukku mEla avangaLOda tunegaLai avangaLe paadanumnu aasai vanthudumnu ninaikkirEn. Take MSV, IR, Chandrabose, S. A. Rajkumar, dEva.... I guess I can think of atleast one song each of the currently active MDs have sung. So ARR is not out of order, since none of these MDs have been particularly impressive singers. Except probably MSV :-).
  
  
• From: irfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Thu Aug 6 16:15:27 EDT 1998
  
  Ravi:
  Digression!
  I beg to differ with your statement "none of these MDs have been particularly impressive singers. Except probably MSV". IR's rendition has always been good and could be compared with MSV. Hey, I am not starting any fight! :-)
  IMO, till his recent works, IR's rendition has been good and well suited for the character and situation except for a very few occasions. His most recent ones being - "iniya malargal" and "vanathil irundhu" in "Poonthottam" are good examples. ARR's rendition of "Columbus Columbus" in Jeans is very good. I did say that because the tune is on the high pitch and is very difficult to sing. Unfortunately, his pronunciation of certain tamil words were not correct(athandhan sir, andha 'la' 'zha' prachanai!).
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on: Thu Aug 6 16:18:28 EDT 1998
  
  Yes Ravi!! the tamil version of strawberry kannE wasn't by Mano. The aayiraththil naan oruvan song of Iruvar by Mano is great!!
  
  I don't know the fate of ARR if famous producers and directors don't use him, for he is famous. I don't think small producers can't pay ARR and can't wait so long for his tunes. ARR should better realize this soon.
  
  Let us see who will be the singers in ARR's next Tamil movie En Swaasa Kaatre. I am sure UnniKrishnan and Hariharan will be there.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Aug 6 16:20:22 EDT 1998
  
  irfan: If you want to talk about IR's singing I suggest that you try the IR as a singer thread in the archives. I didn't mean passable singing. I meant impressive.. MSV's voice is impressive just because of the sheer pneumatic power. I meant it as a light hearted comment and not a slight on others' singing ability.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Aug 6 16:28:57 EDT 1998
  
  Just to make things clear.. whenenver I follow up any of my statements with a smilie I am not being serious. O.K.
  
  
• From: irfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Thu Aug 6 16:37:37 EDT 1998
  
  Ravi:
  
  My posting has been a reply to your posting. I think I have the "freedom to write" about IR's singing ability in this thread??? IMHO, I like IR's voice better than MSV's and that is my opinion. If I am asked not to post anything decent like this in a thread, I will happily refrain myself from writing in the DF! Thanks.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Aug 6 17:38:53 EDT 1998
  
  irfan: I prefer not to argue with you on this thread. If you want to pursue this further, send me mail. I couldn't find your e-mail anywhere in the DF.
  
  
• From: Aakash (@ 206.217.81.244) on: Thu Aug 6 20:33:54 EDT 1998
  
  I think I agree with what Ravi has said: that ARR does not wnat to do what others are doing. That is the main reason why he has introduced so many new singers with fresh voices and styles. Yes, I do agree that the ARR-Mano was good in Thiruda Thiruda and Kaadhalan. As a matter of fact, it was brilliant in Iruvar. But then again, Mano has this one particular style of singing which might make the songs sound monotonous, and that ARR is going to try to avoid AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Thu Aug 6 21:15:21 EDT 1998
  
  irfan -Yennappa ivvalu serious-aa namma Ravi-yei eduththukollureenga. :-))
  I agree with you (Sorry Ravi) that IR's voice is a million times better than MSV's voice. That is my opinion, I hasten to add. For me, MSV's voice is like the sound of chalk against blackboard. Screeeech...
  
  Srikanth - my regret is that MS Vasudevan hasn't sung many songs for ARR. The chorus bit in >i?Poo pookum oasai - hilthooray, hilthooray was way too demeaning for a forefront sing like MS Vasu to sing. Fortunately, he has done one bhangra song in Mr. Romeo.
  
  Between ARR and Mano, I'd take Mano anytime. :-)))
  But ARR sounds okay, if he doesn't attempt high-pitched songs.
  
  MD's who have superb voices are SPB, MS Vasu, TMS..... :-))))))
  
  Now, why isn't ARR using Mano more? I'd think that if you substitute Mano with any of the following, the question would still be legitimate:
  SPB, KJJ, S. Janaki, P.Suseela, MS Vasu, Jayachandran.......
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu Aug 6 23:55:22 EDT 1998
  
  NOV: Again to experss a true opinion about IRs voice I would go to the IR as a singer thread. Not here. That seems to have been lost on irfan and you. :).
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Fri Aug 7 00:35:52 EDT 1998
  
  Ravi - ::))
  (that means "double :-)!")
  
  
• From: irfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Fri Aug 7 10:20:29 EDT 1998
  
  NOV:
  My good old friend. Thanks for the support :-))
  
  Ravi:
  Sorry for digressing. I sincerely did not want to start another IR vs someone thread.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 206.139.13.154) on: Fri Aug 7 11:02:45 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  After reading about MDs voices, I have to post a reply, Ravi please please dont remove it.
  
  Voice clarity depends on the Age. No one can deny it. What is the age of ARR, Age of Raja, or MSV.
  Have anyone heard MSV when he was ARR's age.
  as Ravi says MSV's is the only MD who could sing without losing the shruthi.
  
  Just take these line in ...Samboo siva samboo
  appavum thavum Vantharkal ponarkal...
  ....Kalendru vaithalum..the scale goes to 6+ (when MSV sang this song he was in 50's).
  For Higher scales, I would rank
  Serkazi.G, TMS, Kamal, MSV.
  SPB and KJY due to their experience they can go up but come will back down atonce, they cannot stay on for long.
  I am sorry, Raja is nowhere in the voice race.
  
  Deva, Chandra bose, SA are not considered to be singers, I call them by another name which is unparlimentry here.
  
  ARR's voice is young, tries new stuff - he is not a born singer...knows his limits and confines to it. but his pronounciation is horrible.
  We have to wait and see how his voice changes when he becomes old, (and Million $$$$ ?? is will he be around TFM or HFM until that)
  
  By the way Mano - has also young voice go up and tries, he is a good singer and I call him as poor mans SPB.
  
  (I have a friend who sings my jingle tracks, he sounds like mano - I call him poor man's Mano)
  
  Arr has a opinion to use new singer, he often says we have been listing to SPB, PS from the day we were born. (I have heard him say this)
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 7 14:16:44 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth: It is the person who starts the thread who sets the boundaries for it. I don't. If this is what you want to discuss here, I'll modify the topic's name and apologize to irfan and NOV for they spoke about what you wanted to discuss anyway. :-).
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 7 15:07:27 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth: This thread might be of interest
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/27137.14:23:22.html
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.75) on: Fri Aug 7 19:50:12 EDT 1998
  
  how come this MSV-IR fight came up? how many songs has MSV sung to even compare him with IR?
  MSV's composing abilities can be compared with IR that's it. how many hits or memorable songs has MSV given ? his voice in the film yaathramozhi was like a 'dhrishti' to the whole album.NO CONTEST!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Aug 7 20:23:53 EDT 1998
  
  how many songs has MSV sung to even compare him with IR?
  The very fact that MSV didn't sing as many songs as IR shows his class and humility.
  
  How many hits or memorable songs has MSV given?
  Oh, let's see right off the cuff here:
  -"Sollaththaan Ninaikkiraen" (duet with P.Suseela)
  -"Ikkaraikku Akkaraip Pachchai"
  -"Mettu Kaettu Thavikkithu Oru Paattu"
  -"Sambo Siva Sambo"
  -"Idhu Raaja Gopura Dheepam" (duet with SPB)
  -"Enakkoru Kaadhali Irukkindraal" (duet with SPB)
  -"Niththam Niththam En Kannoadu" (duet with SPB)
  
  
• From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com) on: Fri Aug 7 21:05:28 EDT 1998
  
  Adding Udhaya's list
  
  - "Kudumbham oru Kadhambam.."
  - "Kandadhai sollugiraen.."(Sila Nerangalil Sil amnidhargal)
  - " Sindhu nadhi poovae.." (Sankar Salim Simon)
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-92.il.us.ibm.net) on: Fri Aug 7 21:23:45 EDT 1998
  
  vijay:
  Once again in Raja does not come anywhere near MSV., the hi pitch msv could reach!...
  MSV'S voice in yatharmozi!....
  Consider his age. He sings just as a Honourary singer. thats it..Just see the above list.
  There are many more MSV songs in 60's, I will try to get it.The famous kalkendra (thiruvalluar) opening voice - chanting agara muthla ezuthelam is by MSV.
  I was talking about hi-pitch singing,,Raja cannot sing even in low pitch, I know once again people refer to Janani, that song would have sounded much much better if anybody else other than raja had sung it.
  
  (Hear "pa pa" chorus in Rajathi raja song in agninatchatiram -- Pathetic singing by Raja.) It is not worth discussing about raja's voice, infact kudubatheke Shruthi ooda pada theriyathu.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Fri Aug 7 22:20:43 EDT 1998
  
  Ravi - I must apologise for my contribution (albeit very minute) to this mega digression.
  
  Guys - please revert to the original topic.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on: Sat Aug 8 02:33:58 EDT 1998
  
  If you look at digressions in a Zen way, maybe all topics are just to launch the journey, the path reveals itself as we move on.
  I can tell Ravi is rolling his eyes around and going, "Great. This is what I need to hear."
  IR certainly brings an inimitable mood and flavor to a song, I like a few of his songs. But he should really know where to stop.
  A moderate shift to the topic: Vidhyasaagar has done a commendable job using Mano in Kaadhal Sangamam.
  
  

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